DreamFoam Ultimate Dreams vs Tempur-Pedic Cloud Prima

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Hello,

So I’ve been doing a lot of research to buy a new mattress and found this forum to be very useful. I’ve read up all the suggested links by Phoenix and decided to go to a mattress store to try out a few mattresses so decide on getting a memory foam or latex mattress. I was leaning towards a memory foam since my girlfriend has the Tempur-Pedic Simplicity mattress and I did like it. I was thinking of getting the ‘DreamFoam Mattress Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress’ from Amazon for $699.99 so I went to try out the comparable ‘Cloud Luxe’.

I went to Sleep Country and tried the Cloud Primia since they said the CLoud Luxe is no longer available and this one is the replacement. I really liked the mattress and was offered it at $1200 and bought it. I have until tomorrow so decide to get a refund and get the one Dreamfoam or keep the Tepur-Pedic one.

My question is, what are the differences in the mattresses in regards to materials, firmness, how long it will last. I’m trying to justify the extra $500 as Sleep Country does offer a 60 day sleep trial where I would only need to pay a $50 re-delivery fee compared to having to ship back the Dreamfoam if I decide to get a firmer/softer mattress.

Thanks in advance for any advice!

PS, I’m only 130 lbs and side/back sleeper

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Hi h_er_b,

[quote]I went to Sleep Country and tried the Cloud Primia since they said the CLoud Luxe is no longer available and this one is the replacement. I really liked the mattress and was offered it at $1200 and bought it. I have until tomorrow so decide to get a refund and get the one Dreamfoam or keep the Tepur-Pedic one.

My question is, what are the differences in the mattresses in regards to materials, firmness,[/quote]

The materials in the Cloud Prima as far as I’m aware (Tempurpedic isn’t fully transparent about the materials in their mattresses and there are some indications that they are now using lower density base foam) are as follows …

Cover
Easy Refresh Stretch Knit Cover
Smart Climate System, moisture-wicking,
Cool to the touch

Comfort Layers
1.2" Tempur-ES 4.1LB
2" Tempur Material 5.3LB

Support System
2.75" Poly foam Base 2.0LB
4.5" Poly foam Base 2.0LB

And the specifics of the old Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe were …

Cover
Stretch Knit Cotton with Suede Sides
FR Sock

Comfort Layers
2.75" 4.1LB Tempur ES Comfort Layer
2" 7.1 LB Tempur HD Support Layer

Support System
Dual Airflow System
4" 2.2 LB Convoluted Base Foam
4" 2.2 LB Convoluted Base Foam

While there are no standard definitions for firmness levels and they can vary between different manufacturers and even different people (a mattress that feels firm to one person can feel soft to another depending on body type, sleeping positions, individual preferences and sensitivities, and the specifics of the mattress) … Tempurpedic lists the Cloud Prima mattress as “medium soft” and “less adaptive” and it includes a combination of 4 lb and 5.3 lb memory foam while they listed the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe as being “ultra soft” and more adaptive and it used a combination of 4.1 lb and 7. lb memory foam. They also have very different thicknesses of memory foam in each of them and they are clearly different mattresses.

In the US … there is a new version of the Cloud Luxe with the following specs …

Cover
Easy Refresh Stretch Knit Cover
Smart Climate System, moisture-wicking,
Cool to the touch

Comfort Layers
3.5" Tempur-ES 4.1LB
2" Tempur HD 7.1LB

Support System
Dual Airflow System
4" Airflow Base Layer 2.0LB
4" Airflow Base Layer 2.0LB

Based on the specs this would likely be a little softer (the top layer of memory foam is a little thicker) but it’s also listed as “ultra soft” and “more adaptive” and uses the same density of memory foam as the old Cloud Luxe but it’s not listed on the Canadian Tempurpedic website.

The specs of the DreamFoam Mattress Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress are …

Knit cover
3" of 4 lb gel memory foam
2" of 5 lb memory foam
8" of 1.5 lb polyfoam base layer.

Based on Dreamfoams comments and most of the feedback on the forum … this would have a similar firmness level to the old Cloud Luxe but possibly just a little firmer (although it’s not likely to be as firm for most people as the Cloud Prima).

In other words … I don’t think that the Prima is comparable to the old Cloud Luxe or the new Cloud Luxe and uses less memory foam in a lower density range than either version of the Cloud Luxe and uses less memory foam in a similar density range than the Dreamfoam 13" gel memory foam mattress. Any difference in materials between the Prima and the Dreamfoam 13" gel memory foam certainly wouldn’t justify the difference in cost since the Prima is $1200 in a twin XL and the Dreamfoam is $499 in a twin XL (which is almost two and a half times the cost and if you take any exchange or shipping into account it would still be in the range of twice the cost).

While there is no way to accurately predict the useful life of any mattress for any specific person because of all the many variables involved (see post #2 here and the posts it links to for more information about durability and the useful life of a mattress) … for most people that are in an average weight range where the base layers weren’t compressed more than normal they would be roughly comparable in terms of durability. For higher weight ranges (low 200’s and higher) … and assuming that the specs of the Prima are accurate (and again there is some evidence that they are now using 1.5 lb base layers as well) … then the Prima may have a slight edge in durability. If it does use 1.5 lb polyfoam then because the comfort layers are thinner and the support layers would be compressed more then the Prima would probably be less durable than the Dreamfoam.

While I can’t tell you what you “should do” … Tempurpedic is not good value compared to many other mattresses (including the Dreamfoam 13" gel memory foam mattress) that use the same or similar quality materials which is the reason that I normally suggest avoiding them (see the guidelines here) and there is no reason I can think of that I would pay more double the price for a mattress that uses less memory foam (which is a more costly material than polyfoam) and that wouldn’t be likely to have any significant advantages in terms of it’s likely durability and useful life for most people unless I had a very specific and very compelling reason to do so.

Phoenix

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Thank you very much for the information Phoenix. I returned the Tempur-Pedic Prima and have ordered the Dreamfoam one!

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Hi h_er_b,

Congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

You are certainly in a better “value” range than the Tempurpedic that you replaced.

I’m looking forward to your feedback when you receive it and have had a chance to sleep on it for a bit.

Phoenix

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I have seen Dreamfoam’s 13" mattress listed as having a 1.5-lb polyfoam base layer and a 1.8-lb polyfoam base layer in different threads on this site. I have even seen it listed as having both in the same thread. Is there any consensus as to which is accurate? I’m calling Dreamfoam on Monday but figured I’d post my question here as well. Thanks in advance for any help!

Edit:
Spoke to a rep from Dreamfoam a few minutes ago and confirmed that their specs have been updated, with their mattresses now containing lower densities. This seems to have become a trend in the industry. I’ll list what I found out below.

Dreamfoam Sanctuary 13" (Formerly the Ultimate Dreams 13″ Gel Memory Foam Mattress)

3" 3.5-lb memory foam
2" 3.5-lb memory foam
2" 1.8-lb polyfoam transitional layer
6" 1.5-lb polyfoam base layer

Dreamfoam Sojourn 13" (Formerly the Ultimate Dreams Supreme 12″ Gel Memory Foam Mattress)

1.5" 3.5-lb memory foam
2.5" 3.5-lb memory foam
2" 1.8-lb polyfoam transitional layer
6" 1.5-lb polyfoam base layer

It looks like my attempt to avoid the Tempur-Pedic brand is coming to a conclusion. The value brands are lowering the density of their layers below the 5-lb and even the 4-lb level. Tempflow and Select-a-Bed, the two Relief-Mart brands, are both worthy contenders. But, like most of the smaller brands that have models comparable to the Tempur-Pedic brand, the return policies cost the buyer and it’s tough to trial them in-store, depending on where you live. It seems easier to demo the Tempur-Pedic brand, and then buy a floor model if you’re fortunate enough to find one and are able to trust what you feel and observe during proper in-store trials.

I will be sure to update the forum with my choice in a brand new post, in which I will also try to document my experience during the search for the ideal mattress for our household. There is still a chance that the Tempur-Pedic doesn’t work out long-term but I think we are either going to go that route, get a new coil mattress from Texas Mattress Makers, or stick with what we have until we absolutely can’t stand it. I appreciate all of the knowledge contained on this site and thank everyone for their contributions. Apologies for having bombarded multiple threads with my recent posts.

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Hi 560andrising,

Again thank you for this clear update on these DreamFoam mattresses. We agree it is disappointing for the reduction of specs, but we are glad they provided detailed information.

Thanks
Sensei

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No problem at all! I’m very happy to have found all of this out and to be able to share the info with you guys. As a heads up, a TMU moderator should probably contact Christeli and discuss the lowering of their foam density, as it was not easy to get that information and the numbers were quite low. I know Christeli is a TMU member company and thus that would certainly influence the buying decisions of TMU forum members. They asked me not to share their density info when they provide me with it, so I have not, but this means that other buyers will continue thinking of the 6-lb and 5-lb density they once had. I will say that there is no 5-lb or 6-lb density in any of their mattresses at this point, according to the info I was provided with. This makes their prices quite high, especially for a mattress such as the Palais Grand Royale.

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Hi 560andrising,

We just wanted to make sure we let you know that we have initiated contact with Christeli, and will be updating the forum accordingly when we hear back from them. Thanks again for the heads up.

Sensei

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That’s awesome. It will be interesting to see how they respond and what their reasoning is for the drastic lowering of foam density. It really seemed that they were a go-to option. I also wonder how long they’ve had a change in density, while buyers have been under the impression that the mattresses had 6-lb and 5-lb layers. The lesson here is definitely to contact any company to get confirmation of current specs prior to making any purchase.

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Hi - sorry to bump an old thread, but I wasn’t able to find if the answer to this was found. I found a link to the Briella on here from many years ago, but in light of these changes, are these less desirable?

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Note: I see that Christeli is no longer listed as a trusted member of TMU.