Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area.

Hi Sctbman,

I did a little bit more checking and talked to EasyRest in Portland and they are owned by members of the same family who started up in Canada a little less than two years ago.

They have the same mattresses and get their foam from Health Care Foam in China so they are CertiPur certified and would certainly be worth considering as long as you know the specifics of any of their mattresses you are looking at and they are a good “match” for you in terms of PPP and the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

First thank you for this amazing resource. I didn’t realize how many good alternative sources for mattresses (and mattress alternatives) there are.

After absorbing as much Mattress Underground info as I could, I went, as suggested, and tried lots of different configurations to figure out what I like. Came to the conclusion fairly quickly that I prefer latex (specifically Dunlop; found the various Talalay I tried too jiggly, like sleeping on Jello), with a soft comfort layer. I’m both a side and back sleeper, 5’ 10", 170lbs with relatively broad shoulders. Found a number of mattresses comfortable on my back or side but not both.

I went over your Toronto list and after doing some additional searching ended up visiting quite a few locations including Dormio Organic Beds, Ideal, Foamite, Soma Organic, Essentia, Nine Clouds, and National Mattress OUtlet plus my initial trips before finding your site to standards like Sleep Country.

A few notes regarding sites for Mississauga/Toronto:

Quality Rest Mattress unfortunately appears to be out of business.

Ideal Mattress Ltd is now only carrying Kingsdown in addition to their own line. The individual I talked to said they dropped the other brands due to quality issues. Ideal does seem very knowledgeable and accommodating.

Nine Clouds Beds isn’t on your list but they carry some Dreamstar latex (over foam or innerspring) mattresses. Apparently family owned with good reviews online.

National Mattress Outlet also carries some Dreamstar. For anyone considering visiting National, it is literally just a warehouse; a SMALL warehouse. They will let you try out mattresses but with the plastic covers on them (and no pillows). i.e. don’t bother going there if you want to test drive. Suspect their pricing is very good due to very low overhead (and no “sales reps”).

In the end, looks like I’m deciding on an organic mattress from Dormio. An all latex/wool solution is definitely more expensive, but the Dormio mattresses are definitely high quality, should last a long long time, and for me at least, are extremely comfortable. I had that “ahhhhhh” reaction on theirs that I hadn’t really had on any others (except a couple of brand names where I wouldn’t expect the ahhh to last very long). Like the flexibility of their mattresses too, with the option to swap out layers on one side or both to adjust the support/feel. Also Dormio’s in store service is phenomenal. Very patient and knowledgeable.

Heading there now to make a final decision. Will update with the specs of my purchase.

Hi NeedaNuBed,

Thanks for the feedback from the Toronto area … I appreciate it :slight_smile:

Thanks for the heads up. I initially thought that it was just their website that had changed because this website is still working but then I called them and their phone has been disconnected so as you mentioned it seems clear that they are out of business and I’ve removed them from the list.

That’s good to hear although I would still focus on their own mattresses and would tend to avoid the Kingsdown unless there was a compelling reason to do otherwise. I’ve also edited their description in the Toronto list to change “major brands” to “Kingsdown”.

A forum search on nineclouds (you can just click the link) will bring up a few mentions of them but they tend to focus more on mainstream brands and their listed prices for their Dreamstar mattresses are also a little steep. Dreamstar is also on the list so instead of listing every retailer in the Toronto area that carries some of their mattresses (or any of the other wholesale manufacturers) and having a list that was much longer and more difficult to narrow down I would tend to suggest finding the retailers that were closest to someone by emailing or calling Dreamstar.

As you know I think highly of John and Dormio and you are leaning in a great direction. They certainly sell some very high quality and durable mattresses and none of them have any weak links in their design. As you mentioned … how long the “ahhhhh’s” last is just as important as the oohs and ahhs themselves :slight_smile:

I’m looking forward to finding out about your final decision … and thanks again for taking the time to share your updates and feedback.

Phoenix

I went to New Dawn (Keele) today and tried out a latex mattress. The woman (Sona I think) didn’t know much about them, but put me on the phone with a man who answered some questions about their latex. All they have is a 3.0lb talalay, all natural latex with a 20-year warranty. They didn’t have the ILD for it, but said that the firmness was “medium”. Their one floor model was a single and was $499 (6"). They said a queen would be $950 and it would take two days to complete.
I live a couple of hours out of the city, so I think I’ll call in the order for the next time I go down. Compared to other places I called, it was considerably cheaper (Factory mattress was going to be ~$1700 for a 7" dunlop queen)

Anyway, I spent a good 15-20 minutes on it, and it felt great. I am 30 and have hip surgery on both hips and usually am a side sleeper but haven’t been able to with my hip issues. I found it to be very forgiving on my hips, but it still felt like I was being supported. It was comfortable on my back as well. It didn’t feel like it was getting any more compressed like cheaper foams can that feel very soft at first but by the end of the night you can feel right through.

Any final thoughts before I pull the trigger? It seems like a great price for all natural talalay, based on what I’ve been reading here.
This site is amazing by the way, as long as you have the patience to wade through all the info.

Hi GMH,

What kind of certification confirms you are getting 100% natural talalay?

Hi gmh,

If you did some careful testing on the mattress and you are confident that it’s a good match for you in terms of PPP and the materials are accurately described then this would certainly be a good quality/value purchase. If you are buying a floor model then I would expect a significant discount and in most cases there won’t be a warranty on the mattress.

It may be worthwhile asking about the source of their Talalay latex (there are only two companies that make Talalay latex which is Latex International in the US or Radium in Holland) and ask them about the firmness rating of the latex (this will tell you more about who produced the latex and whether it’s blended Talalay or “all natural” Talalay because they would each have a different firmness ratings). You can see the firmness ratings for both Latex International and Radium for their blended and 100% natural Talalay in post #2 here. While both are high quality materials … some manufacturers will confuse blended Talalay with all natural Talalay so asking for the specific firmness rating would be way that you can confirm which one you have.

If the Talalay is 3.0 lb/ft3 then that would be the approximate density of 19 ILD blended Talalay from Latex International and this would be in a soft range not medium. If this was 100% natural in a similar ILD then it would be denser (natural rubber is denser than synthetic rubber) or if it was firmer then it would have a higher density as well (firmer latex has a higher density than softer latex of the same type and blend).

@MFC MemoryFoamComfort

You are certainly correct about this although blended Talalay is a very high quality material and in lower ILD’s can even be more durable than 100% natural Talalay.

While there aren’t any certifications that will identify one type of Talalay from the other or the amount of natural rubber in the latex … a manufacturer should be able to provide you with the source of the latex (or at least the country of origin) and the firmness rating that would identify whether it was all natural or blended. Other than this … you would be dependent on the integrity of a manufacturer to provide you with accurate information about the blend of rubber in a Talalay latex layer.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

I have a bad history of choosing inappropriate mattresses, so I am hoping you can give me some feedback as I try once more to buy something I truly enjoy sleeping on. Your site has given me courage that I might actually succeed this time!

I am female, 5’5" tall, 132 pounds, 59 years old. I occasionally have mild neck and shoulder pain from desk work. I also have low back pain due to an achy sacro-iliac, again caused by desk work. I don’t have any neurological damage, thank goodness. I sleep on my sides and back.

I do not want a mattress that has any brominated or organophosphate flame retardants in it. I also don’t want a mattress that off-gasses any more harmful VOCs than the level found in typical indoor air. It’s not important to me that the mattress be organic, but I suspect that since I don’t want the flame retardants or the VOCs that means I’ll have to restrict myself to buying an organic mattress?

I live in Toronto, so your list of Toronto manufacturers and retailers has been a big help! I made a few calls. I visited Ideal Mattress Ltd (good products there) and tried out a latex mattress that consisted of 7" of firm (35 ILD) Dunlop latex topped with 3" of soft (15-17 ILD) Dunlop latex, covered with an organic cotton and wool wrap. It supported my body well and I didn’t feel any pressure points. I asked if they could make a pocket coil mattress with a latex comfort layer on top, but the woman I spoke to said you can’t put latex on top of coils because the coils would cut into the latex. That doesn’t sound quite right to me.

I also visited Dormio and was impressed with their constructive sales help. I liked two of their beds. The Marquis has 6" of medium latex topped by 2" of extra soft latex and 1" of organic wool. The Landon has 3" of medium latex topped by 3" of soft and 2" of extra soft latex and 1" of wool. Both beds provided good support and pressure relief, but the Landon had a nicer “kushy” feel to it.

But because I tend to sleep warm, I am a bit concerned that during the summer I may get too hot sleeping on the latex. In the past, I have enjoyed the feel of a pocket coil innerspring and was hoping to find one without the flame retardants and excess VOCs. I noticed that somasleep.ca has some innerspring mattresses, so I will give them a call this week.

If you have any advice for me on how to locate flame retardant-free innerspring mattresses, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

Hi sangen,

Just in case you haven’t read it yet I would make sure you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices … and know how and why to avoid the worst ones…

Post #2 here and the more detailed posts and information it links to have more information about safe, natural, organic, “chemical free”, and “green” mattresses and mattress materials that can help you sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and answer “how safe is safe enough for me” so you can decide on the types of materials you are most comfortable having in your mattress. These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, and lifestyle choices.

The previous link also has more information about “safe” fire retardant methods that don’t use chemicals to make them fire retardant.

This would depend on the type of innerspring that is used in the mattress. With innersprings that use helical coils and have lower coil counts you would generally need an insulator layer to prevent the comfort materials from compressing into the innerspring but many fabric encased pocket coils that have higher coil counts would provide a “bed” for the comfort layers above them that would have even enough support for the comfort materials above them to prevent the springs from cutting into the layers above them and don’t need an insulator layer above the coils. There are many pocket coil/latex hybrids that work very well without cutting into the latex comfort layers.

Latex in general is the most breathable of all the foam materials so there would be less chance of sleeping hot on latex than on other types of foam materials that are generally used in comfort layers but the type of mattress cover and the materials that are quilted to it along with the mattress protector you use and your sheets and bedding will also have a very significant effect on temperature regulation because they are closer to your body. Wool is a great temperature regulator (in both directions) and wool quilted covers are often used with latex mattresses both as a fire retardant and as a temperature regulator. There is more about the many variables that can affect sleeping temperature and temperature regulation in post #2 here.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for your thoughtful and helpful input. Just providing an update on my search.

I recently visited Soma Organic Mattresses and got some good sales help from John. Because I have always slept on coil mattresses, I tried one of their coil mattresses but found it too firm. I tried one of their top of the line latex beds by Obasan, which was very comfy but out of my price range (I can’t remember the exact price, but it was over $3,400 just for the queen size mattress). So John suggested the Ergo Hevea Sogno by GreenSleep. It is 6.5" of Dunlop all natural latex. The version I tried consists of a 1.5" base layer of firm latex, a 3" layer of soft latex in the middle and a 2" top layer of soft latex. John said that if I found it too soft that he could exchange the middle soft layer for a firmer one. Each layer was enclosed in a thin cotton cover. John checked my spinal alignment on the bed and it was just right. I felt good support for my lumbar area and a nice softness under my shoulders. Looks like it could be a good choice for me. It’s priced at $2,298 for the queen size.

It’s been a while since I visited Dormio, so I think I need to return there once more. I recall their Landon bed as being quite comfortable. Comparing it on paper, the Landon compares favorably to the Ergo Hevea Sogno. The Landon has 8" of foam, 1.5" more than the Ergo Hevea Sogno. Dormio quoted a price of $2,298 for the Landon, the same as the Ergo Hevea Sogno.

So, even though I have always slept on a coil mattress, I am leaning towards a latex mattress because they are just feeling more comfortable, especially for my shoulder and neck area.

By the way, just for a jarring contrast, I visited Sleep Country last week. The sales person was very pleasant and helpful until, after trying a number of mattresses, I mentioned that I was not ready to buy that day. Her demeanor changed greatly—not so friendly. She also suddenly provided a coupon reducing the mattress price by $800. I can only conclude that they must be earning most of their income through commissions. She couldn’t provide detailed info on the composition of the mattress I liked best.

Hi sangen,

I think this would be a fairly “typical” experience and as sad as it is … most of the members here that have spent an hour or two on this site would probably know more meaningful information about mattresses and mattress materials than most of the salespeople in the mainstream industry that sell them.

I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding and it sounds like you are doing some good research :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

I revisited Dormio today so I could compare the feel of Dormio’s Landon vs. Soma’s Ergo Hevea Sogno. I’d say that Dormio’s Landon is better for me. The two mattresses support me equally well. But I felt the Landon conformed a little better to my body. I spent about 20 minutes on the Landon, mostly on my side (where I sleep the most), and almost fell asleep. I guess that’s a good sign! Then Lance pointed out that the Landon was on sale for $1998 for the queen until March 1. So I think I’m going to buy this mattress.

My husband expressed a few concerns. About 5 years ago I bought a “natural” latex mattress from IKEA that was actually about 85% natural/15% synthetic. It was very smelly. Even though it felt decent at first, after a while it was like sleeping on a rock–we woke up with numb hips and arms. So I returned it in exchange for credit at the store. My husband wondered if this bad experience with latex might be repeated with the Landon. For starters, Lance said that his mattresses aren’t stinky. IKEA’s mattress may have been stinky due to the 15% synthetic content. In addition, the IKEA latex was rated firm. Lance said that for someone my size even a medium firm would likely be too firm. Based on the info on your site and the help from Lance, I feel like I have gone through the right steps and (I hope!) have chosen an appropriate mattress for my needs—the 3 Ps. Finally, Lance says that Dormio will re-arrange or exchange the layers in the mattress after purchase until I get the right support and comfort.

I’ll keep you posted on the results. The new mattress will be delivered in 3-5 weeks.

Hi sangen,

I would agree with Lance’s comments on both counts (the firmness and the smell) and based on the online description (and on your testing as well) the Landon would be a fair bit softer than the Ikea Edsele. As he mentioned you would also have options to make comfort/support changes if that turns out to be necessary.

It sounds to me like you have done some good research and testing and made a good choice … and congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive it.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

You probably remember me from my earlier posts on the ‘memory foam mattress topper made me sick’. Long story short, I threw out the topper, was refunded by the company, and I am now sleeping on the living room couch (and I am not talking a sofa bed…I am talking literally, the couch). It’s downright terrible, however, not as terrible as sleeping on the godawful Sealy mattress I had bought, to replace another mattress I’d bought prior to that, prior to doing a comfort exchange, all through Sleep Country…how I hate the mere sight of their stores. (edit: btw, when I was at sleep country on one of my last trips, I actually experienced seeing and hearing the sales people, of which there were about 4 because it was a busy weekend, they literally were fighting over customers: “I was speaking to that couple first so I’m closing that sale” - that kind of deal, and then they’d quickly switch back to being fake-nice and sales-y to the people in the store. Yuck.)

Allow me to elaborate - my dissatisfaction with the Sealy stems from the fact that initially, I had owned a Sealy, which I loved, until I moved in with my boyfriend and we bought a king size Sealy. Both were soft, plush foam-topped inner springs. However, the king size innerspring Sealy had a defect - it seems as though the mattress’s denser, ‘inner support core’ had been installed vertically, instead of horizontally, and this caused both of us to roll into our own respective little ‘valleys’ with no lower back support. (Compared to sleeping on the couch, this was great, in retrospect.) But at the time, this was a concern. So I called for an inspector, who said he didn’t notice enough ‘sag’ (has to be at least something like 2 inches of visible sag). I told him if I can feel it, can’t he? Well, that drove him to his default reaction of saying he’ll just say that it is making ‘noise’, as he pushed vigorously into to the mattress to fabricate evidence for his white lie which he then submitted for my exchange.

I went back to the store with my boyfriend, not satisfied with my ‘valley’ mattress, and we settled on a king size Simmons innerspring with memory foam top. It was their top of the line, which they said was in a lot of hotels. My boyfriend liked it, and I liked it enough to agree. Two weeks later of sleeping on it, I was waking up with pinched shoulders and pinched hips, and it started to hurt. It seems this memory foam had lost it’s memory, and didn’t exactly spring back into its original shape. So I marched back to Sleep country and said I want to do a comfort exchange, but of course, that option was exhausted since that mattress had been in exchange of the previous King Sealy. So I thought I had no other choice but to start from scratch…once again at sleep country. How wrong I was to do that. So counting, I’d already bought a King Sealy, and also paid the balance for the upgraded exchange for the Simmons.

Next to defeated, I went back several times and decided to give my boyfriend the Twin XL version of his Simmons, and I would pick the updated version of the Sealy in Twin XL that I had exchanged in the first place (ironic, no?) I tried all the mattresses again, and between another ‘soft’ Simmons and the newer version of the Sealy, I picked the Sealy. EXCEPT this time, I was dealing with apples and oranges, but I didn’t know that until I received the mattress. The sales person had mentioned in the store that the new version of the same Sealy now had no innerspring coils - it was layered foam throughout. He said this increased the durability of the product. I thought that if what I felt in the store was what I would feel at home, that I had made a good choice. Unfortunately for me, this was not the case. The Twin XL Sealy that arrived was HARD AS A ROCK. Nothing compared to the softness of the King size Sealy in the showroom. Talk about a misleading ‘show room feel’!!! I went back and complained, and their only excuse was that the density was increased since it was a smaller cut of foam in the Twin XL versus the King. I call BS on that one. They suggested a foam topper. That’s when I knew I was in a catch 22 situation of the largest kind. So counting, add the two new Twin XL mattresses to my bed budget. That’s close to $8,000 CAD. I shudder to think about this. I am not a wealthy person by any means! I take public transit to work for goodness sakes. (edit: I also learned that Sleep Country was the only retailer who manufactured the Sealy with all-foam interior - other retailers were not, apparently. Not sure why. The foam is possibly cheaper to produce and install, and has less chance of the sagging of innerspring, I am guessing. Although I found it really does not add to the comfort. It’s like saying a brick is now more comfortable than a steel scrubbing pad when you throw some plush foam over it…I feel that the quality of foam they are replacing the springs with is much less responsive to the body, and therefore, much less comfortable, and clearly, the outcome of the ‘feel’ cannot be predicted in their manufacturing process from the smaller to the larger sizes, and varies GREATLY from small to large).

Anyways, completely traumatized by this, I thought, well heck, I need to stop throwing money at this mattress situation, because my boyfriend will label me insane. So I bought a foam mattress topper on amazon.com based on a recommendation from a friend. Well, I bought the 3 inch and then the 2 inch. Neither ameliorated the situation. I was waking up stiff, sore, and contorted. After 4 months of that, I decided, this is not working. I tossed these mattress toppers and decided, I’m sleeping on the couch, dammit. So that is where I have been for 5 months now, and I have developed chronic lower back/hip/leg pain as a result. It is present from morning till night. It hurts to sit now as I type. I don’t think it is wise to damage my body for the sake of avoiding another mattress shenanigan, but this is where I am now.

I visited Soma mattresses twice. I thought one of the plusher Green Sleep mattresses were lovely (the one with the dunlop core, and the softer talalay ‘pillow top’), and then I tried the Acadia 4.0 from Obasan…and I nearly barfed when I saw the price for a King, lol. So here I am, knowing full well that I can only sleep on the best of the best, the softest of the softest latex foam mattresses. Add to the fact that I have been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism / Grave’s disease (doctor is still hoping that this is a glitch from taking too many ill-prescribed iodine supplements and that my levels will go back to normal) which is a type of autoimmune reaction, meaning I am probably sensitive to chemicals and bad stuff in mattresses at this point.

I briefly considered going to Essentia because I know that their mattresses are super comfortable, but then I re-read all your mattress forum threads on this company and I quickly remembered why I didn’t check them out the first time. I hate being ‘taken’ for my money by marketing, so I would hesitate to consider them, especially when I want a product that will not harm my spine/hips, AND will not harm my autoimmune system.

@Phoenix - I haven’t visited Dormio yet, and I am wondering, could you suggest any mattresses from Dormio that are the equivalent or similar to the Acadia 4.0 by Obasan? I know that Obasan is high quality organic latex foam. And the Acadia 4.0 seemed, if I remember correctly, that I would find it comfortable and supportive, given my side-sleeping, and my current hip/lower back chronic pain issues from the couch sleeping.

I think I will have to bite the bullet on the price, once again, but I suspect that i will be happier with my purchase, health wise and comfort wise if I choose correctly between Dormio or Soma (Obasan / Green Sleep).

Thanks for reading.

Hi 1whithorse1,

I remember … and you’ve certainly had your share of difficult experiences.

You may have read this already but just in case Post #2 here and the more detailed posts and information it links to have more information about safe, natural, organic, “chemical free”, and “green” mattresses and mattress materials that can help you sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and answer “how safe is safe enough for me” so you can decide on the types of materials you are most comfortable with having in your mattress. These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, and lifestyle choices. Latex can certainly be a good choice for people that are very sensitive.

I would also make sure that you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices … and most importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones that you purchased.

Two of the more important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to buy a suitable mattress that is the best “match” for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

There is more about the different ways that one mattress can “match” or “approximate” another one in post #9 here but unless the type and blend of latex and all the layer thicknesses and firmness levels are the same in both mattresses and they both have a very similar cover then the only reliable way to know how one mattress would compare to another one would be based on your own side by side testing (with either no or very little time in between because our memories for something as subjective as firmness or the “feel” of a mattress isn’t very long lasting). Even smaller differences between two mattresses can make a surprisingly big difference for some people and when you have two mattresses that use different materials or designs (or the types and blends of latex are different) it’s really not possible to know how they will compare for you unless you compare them in person.

I don’t know the detailed specifics of the mattresses that Dormio carries but if you know all the specs of the Acadia 4.0 that you tested (including the ILD of the layers and zones that you tested) then Dormio would be your best source of guidance about which of their mattresses would be the closest approximation based on specs because they will be much more familiar with their mattresses than I am.

I would also be very cautious though about using another mattress as your “target” because it may not be the best possible match for you in the first place (and you could end up excluding another mattress that may be different but could be a better choice in terms of PPP) and because human memory for softness, firmness, and “feel” is very unreliable and a mattress that may feel similar to what you “remember” another mattress feels like may end up being very different. I would rate every mattress you consider against a common set of criteria (rather than against another mattress) using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post and based on which one is the best “match” for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

My new mattress, the Landon from Dormio, was delivered three weeks ago. It has 3" of medium, 3" of soft and 2" of extra soft latex, topped by 1" of wool. It is quite pleasing in several ways. It supports me well so I feel less stiff in the morning. It smells nice! No weird odors, no unpleasant VOCs. It does have an odor, but it is natural. It has a very good kushy feel to it. I like the way the latex has a “lively” sort of surface. I have only one complaint, which I will call Dormio about today. After lying down a while I develop a mild pressure point on my hips and bum. I sleep on my sides and back. I get the pressure point more often when I sleep on my back. This puzzles me, since the mattress seems so soft to the touch. Could it be that it is too soft and my bum is sinking too far? I don’t know, but hopefully we can make some adjustments. Any suggestions or thoughts?

Hi sangen,

Unfortunately I can’t feel what you feel or see you sleeping on the mattress and I don’t have enough information or reference points to make any specific suggestions but post #2 here has more information about the most common symptoms that people may experience on a mattress and some of the more likely reasons for them that may help you identify the most likely cause of the pain you are experiencing and whether it may be coming from a mattress that is too soft (which would generally indicate an alignment issue) or a mattress that is too firm (which generally indicates a pressure issue but can also cause some alignment issues as well).

While I’m not familiar with your mattress … based on the description it appears to be in a fairly soft range which may “point to” a mattress that is too soft for you which in turn would point to an alignment issue in either your spine or joints that could be causing your pain.

Once you have familiarized yourself with the possible cause or causes of your pain … your best source of guidance about any changes that may be worth considering or that are available to you would be a more detailed conversation with Dormio who are very knowledgeable and will know more about their mattresses and the options they have available to fine tune the support or comfort of the mattress than anyone else and they also have the benefit of their experience and feedback from many other customers that have purchased the same mattress that may have had similar issues to you that they can draw from as well to make some suggestions that may be helpful.

Phoenix

Hello all,

So I thought I’d post here given all the expert advice. It’s quite amazing really. For the first in my life in my mid 30 I’m trying to locate and purchase the right bed for me. This is because I just learned that I have multiple herniations and/or bulges in my spine, lumbar, thoracic and cervical. I’ve never had anything but lo grade futons and coil mattresses. But this past summer I slept on a non-coil, organic mattress that cost at least two to three times any mattress I’ve ever purchased. It was a sublet and I’m trying to locate the precise mattress, to try it again and see how much it costs. I believe it was an Ottawa based company, and I believe it was Obasan. The other day I went to Sleep Country in Etobicoke and tried this bed: http://www.sleepcountry.ca/products/tabid/131/products/458/mattresses/natura-naturalatex-circadian/language/en-us/default.aspx. It was excellent too. I’m heavier and taller, larger basically, and am looking for a firm bed. Apparently they have two, with one having a cushion top and being softer, not the one I tried. I need it quite firm. I weigh almost 200 lbs, and am almost 6 ft. The deal I got from the Sleep Country salesman was down a few hundred to around $1500 or 1600, and with a box and frame and taxes in for just over $2000. I really don’t know how the long term life of this bed would be, but it’s significantly more than I’m used to spending on a bed. I just want something good that would last, and I don’t mind paying what’s needed, if I can manage to find it. I have no idea about the Obasan beds and how much they’d cost. I’m thinking of trying out a few more places.

It goes without saying that I’d be grateful for any and all advice. I put a refundable hold on the Natura bed for that price for 3 weeks, and I plan to check out some more in the next few days.

Thank you in advance,
David

Hi DHC,

I’m assuming that you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial here (which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice) but two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort” and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for when you sleep on it in “real life” and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability and PPP (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

Outside of PPP … the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would affect the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

If you can find out and list the specifications of the mattress on the forum I’d certainly be happy to make some comments about the quality and durability of the materials in the mattress and the mattress “as a whole”.

The Natura Circadian is a latex polyfoam hybrid but they don’t specify the type and blend of the latex or the thickness of the latex layers or the thickness and density of the polyfoam support core in the mattress description. There is also more about the pros and cons of a latex/polyfoam hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here. Natura in general uses good quality materials in their mattresses and in most cases don’t have any lower quality materials or weak links in their design but once you find out about the specifics of the layers I would make some careful value comparisons with other similar mattresses that are available either locally in Toronto or online because they may be in a higher budget range than other similar mattresses.

You’ve probably seen this but the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in and around the Greater Toronto area (subject to making sure that any mattresses you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier in this reply) are listed in post #1 here (which is the first post in the topic we are posting in).

While it’s not a complete list … some of the better online options I’m aware of that ship across Canada are also listed in post #21 here as well.

Obasan is a brand name for SleepTek (you can see their website here) and they also make some very high quality “all latex” mattresses although they are in a higher budget range than the latex/polyfoam hybrid you are looking at. They also have a dealer list here if you are interested in testing some of their mattresses locally.

Outside of the quality/durability guidelines I linked earlier … there is more detailed information about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here.

I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding … and of course any other comments or questions you may have along the way.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

Thank you so much for taking the time to write and for all this helpful information. I hadn’t read your tutorial, being new here and only seeing this thread to which I responded. Basically, we just moved back to Toronto, so busy with the move, family, new job, etc., and so I have little time for much, including sleep. But I need a good bed given my health issues. I did manage to get another $100 off the Natura mattress, down to something like $1450. I’m also trying to find out the specifics of the Natura Circadian Sleep Country is selling, and will post that as soon as I have it. I’ve starting reading through the tutorial. With everything going on, absorbing new information or even finding to read outside of work is proving difficult, but I’ll make the time. Anyway, as soon as I know more about the Natura specs, I’ll post that. I also found out that the bed I slept on in the summer at the sublet location (for 3 months) that was quite good was specifically this http://sleeptek.ca/products/classic-2000. But the price I was quoted by an organic store in Toronto was quite a bit higher than the Natura one, the latter being about $1950 everything in (mattress, base, frame and taxes) and the Classic 2000 being $3000 for the foundation and mattress. Not sure what you think of those two aside by side, but I’ll post the specs asap. The $1k difference is substantial though.

I should add that I’m a side sleeper searching for a firm bed, which is apparently strange? I used to sleep on my side toward my stomach more so really, but the herniations require that I sleep in a fetal position basically. I’m been told all this is relevant for purchasing a mattress, though you would know this better.