Foam Factory vs Foamorder.com vs other

Looking for a memory foam topper. Tried all the amazon ones. Because of this forum, I’ve learned of foam factory. I ordered their 5lb 4" topper that supposedly has a 12 ILD. I just sank right through it on firm and medium beds. I’m 5’7" 185 lb male side sleeper looking for pressure/pain relief.

Questions:
* Did I buy the wrong thickness for my stout body?
* Would the foam factory’s 4lb 14 ILD be any different?
*Does anyone have experience with foamorder.com? Google says their memory foam is supposed to be 13 ILD. Somehow it is rather pricey. Not sure why. I’ll pay for something if I know it will be something soft that i won’t sink through and it will last more than a week.

  • if these are all similar and too soft, is there another brand than has something like a 20 ILD or greater quality memory foam topper?
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If you sank through Foam Factory’s 5 lb 12 ILD memory foam, moving to 14 or even 16 ILD is very unlikely to solve the problem, particularly with viscoelastic memory foam. On paper those numbers look different, but in real-world feel they’re still in the soft range. At 4" thick, low-to-mid teen ILD memory foam is designed to let you immerse into it for pressure relief. In addition, you will be enveloped by the foam and heat up like you are in hot lava quicksand. If your body is already compressing a 12 ILD 5 lb foam fully, you’ll almost certainly compress a 4 lb 14 ILD as well. The slightly higher ILD won’t overcome the fundamental issue: the foam is still soft and slow-responding.

Density (5 lb vs 4 lb) mainly affects durability and how “substantial” the foam feels over time, not whether you’ll bottom out. A 5 lb foam can actually feel softer initially because it contours more deeply and slowly. So switching to 4 lb with a small ILD bump isn’t a meaningful change in support. You’d basically be buying a variation of the same experience.

At this point, you probably need a material change, not just a small firmness tweak. A latex alternative foam like TitanFlex (Brooklyn Bedding’s high-resiliency polyfoam) will feel more buoyant and supportive. It compresses under pressure but pushes back more, so you don’t get that “stuck” sinking sensation. If your goal is pressure relief for side sleeping without feeling swallowed, this type of responsive foam can work much better.

Even more reliably, going with real latex in the 18–22 ILD range would give you contouring at the shoulders and hips while maintaining lift through your torso. Latex doesn’t allow the same deep immersion as memory foam, it distributes weight more evenly and keeps you more “on” the mattress rather than “in” it. For someone who has already sunk through multiple soft memory foam toppers, a 2–3" medium (around 20 ILD) latex topper is a much more logical next step than continuing to experiment within the 12–16 ILD memory foam range.
The readers digest version of it is, this isn’t a thickness problem, it’s a material and firmness category problem. Moving slightly firmer within very soft memory foam won’t change the outcome much. A supportive latex or latex-like foam in the 18–22 range is far more likely to give you the pressure relief you want without bottoming out.

I had been using a very firm talalay latex 3" topper. It was very nice for my preferences. Although the ILD of the topper was relatively close to my comfort layer ILD. The topper 36-38 and my comfort layer 36ILD, HD 1.8lb foam. The difference in material characteristics was very noticeable. The latex was actually not that forgiving at the higher ILD than the HD polyfoam.

I’m currently trying the Helix Premium Microcoil Topper in Luxury Firm, and it’s surprisingly close in firmness to my mattress and latex topper. The real difference is in how it responds, it contours much more naturally to my body thanks to the microcoils and layered high-density foams. I’m a bit bigger than you at 6’0”, 220 lbs, and it supports me well without feeling overly firm. Based on that, I’d guess the Luxury Plush could be a great fit for you. That said, there are probably several toppers that would work well, just not a soft, high-density memory foam option.

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thanks again for responding. I was trying to be concise. I have tried latex beds in the showroom and immediately get off them because I don’t want to be on top of my mattress. I did end up buying a sleep on latex 3" soft topper because i was out of ideas. I still just felt like i was laying on top of my bed even though the ILD is supposed to be around 20.

What has worked until it collapses in hours is Saatva 3" memory foam topper. Google says the topper is 18-24 ILD, but i’m sure the density is low. I tried putting the soft latex under it. I just still felt the latex in between my medium firmness bedgear bed and the Saatva topper. Maybe I could do a 1 inch latex with some kind of memory on top. Not sure. I tried a 1 inch 1.8lb piece of 40ILD foam from amazon in between my mattress and my saatva, but I felt that too. I wish i could find a 5lb 20 ish ILD memory foam.

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By the way, my *Helix Premium Microcoil Topper in Luxury Firm has a 13 ILD top layer, followed by the microcoil unit, with a 52 ILD base layer. The Luxury Plush version has the same construction, except the bottom layer is 30 ILD instead.

Based on how they feel, I’d guess you’d probably prefer the Luxury Plush. With the Luxury Firm, I definitely feel like I’m sleeping more on top of the mattress, whereas the Luxury Plush allows for a bit more contouring and that subtle enveloping feel.

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Diagnosed with fibromyalgia today. I need some serious pressure relief to sleep.

This helix premium topperit has a 3.2 rating on amazon. I don’t see many other reviews. The reviews say it sags within a few weeks. The numbers you said sound good tho. Maybe amazon gets the leftovers at a reduced cost?

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I can’t speak for what’s going on at Amazon specifically, but when I ordered mine, it wasn’t some pre-made stock from 3Z Brands or Helix. They actually make the topper to order, kind of like how they produce a mattress. That’s probably why, if you check the seller and shipper info on Amazon, it’s 3Z Brands, Helix’s parent company, handling the manufacturing.

I don’t doubt it’s possible for it to get a mediocre rating. Usually what happens is people order stuff on Amazon or even directly from the company based on info that might not really match their personal needs. If they had ordered from an authorized dealer, like a @yawnder or even spoken more directly with customer service, and if they got a very knowledgeable and experienced representative, they might have been directed to what was best for them, rather than a shot in the dark, based on someone else’s random review. Typically, one would want to know a bunch of factors, like what worked or didn’t work for them in the past, would shape the type of component that would be the best educated solution.

As we all know, this stuff is very personal and subjective, what we try to do is narrow things down to what is the most likely best combination of things based on the preferences and history of the individual/s at hand.

As you noticed, I have the luxury firm, which is working great for us. Since you do not prefer the sleep on top feel, the luxury plush, was recommended for you. Will it work, well, it certainly has a higher probability than the luxury firm, since the plush offers a nice supportive and contouring microcoil spring layer, while still offering a plush surface, without a super firm base layer.

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First off, sorry to hear about the fibro diagnosis. That’s a tough card to be dealt, but getting your sleep system dialed in is going to be your best defense for recovery and pain management.

Let’s cut through the noise on those Amazon reviews.

The “Leftover” Myth: You can rest easy regarding the “leftover” theory. Helix is owned by 3Z Brands (who also owns Brooklyn Bedding), and they are vertically integrated with their own factory in Arizona. Whether you buy from Amazon or direct, it’s coming from the same pipeline. The lower ratings on Amazon usually boil down to two things:

  1. User Error: People buying a topper to fix a mattress that is already dipping or sagging (a topper follows the dip; it doesn’t fix it).
  2. Firmness Mismatch: People ordering the “Luxury Firm” when they actually needed the “Luxury Plush,” finding it too hard, and then nuking the rating.

Why the Luxury Plush is Your Play: With fibromyalgia, your primary enemy is pressure points. You need the surface to yield to your body immediately so your nerves aren’t firing off pain signals all night.

  • The Luxury Firm (which “Maverick” mentioned) uses a denser foam stack. For you, that will likely feel like sleeping on a gym floor.
  • The Luxury Plush is the correct call. It uses a softer comfort layer on top of those microcoils. This gives you what I call “active contouring”—the foam cushions the sensitive points (hips/shoulders), but the microcoils underneath prevent you from hammocking or getting stuck.

My Verdict: Ignore the aggregate Amazon star rating. It’s polluted by people who bought the wrong tool for the job. For your specific physiology right now, the Helix GlacioTex Premium in Luxury Plush is a solid strategic move to minimize resistance on your joints.

Good luck, and let us know how the first week goes.

- Ben Owner, Yawnder

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ty maverick and ben! You guys know your stuff and ty for listening to my situation. I definitely need pressure relief. I think i’ll take your advice and try one. Shipping takes a bit thought it looks like ugh.

I do have a bedgear bed that is rather new. It’s advertised as medium soft, but did seem like i was sinking my midsection already. I rotated it. Hope it holds up till i get the Helix. I have a leesa with no sag, but it is just so hard even with toppers. I have a temper pedic that just feels weird. I dunno how a topper would do on that. The tempur is a soft, but i don’t recall a middle sinking.

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I am not fully familiar with the construction of your Bedgear mattress, so if you can share the exact model name or a link to the specifications, that would be very helpful. The label medium soft by itself does not tell the whole story. Comfort feel is only one part of how a mattress performs over time. The real determining factor in whether you experience midsection sinking is the quality and design of the support core underneath the comfort layers. Two mattresses can both be marketed as medium soft, yet perform completely differently depending on the density of the foams, the coil system if it is a hybrid, and how the layers interact with your foundation. One may have a strong, durable support layer that keeps your hips properly aligned, while another may allow you to sink excessively through the comfort materials due to a less robust core. That is why understanding the full construction is far more important than the comfort label alone.

Sometimes we are led to rely on certain buzz words regarding firmness levels, but they dont really dive into the overall construction and build of the mattress and the foundation that it sits on.

Everything plays a role.

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The bedgear is the H6 model.in a queen

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I tried to chat with them to get some specs on the mattress, but right now they are not releasing them. I tried emailing, but we will see what they come up with. I did see that it is a perimeter foam encased edge support foam. While this is not indication of how soft or sinking a mattress will be, just be careful if sitting on the edge of the mattress, as that edge can soften quite quickly if you continually use the edge of the mattress to put your shoes and socks on in the morning and off in the evening.

Hopefully, I will get some specs from them to try and help solve this puzzle.

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one thousand thank yous

thought you might get a chuckle of one of my foam rooms. There’s foam in 4 bedrooms and 2 other rooms

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Wow, building quite a collection. Much like my pillow collection, but I do have a half dozen toppers too.

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think i got you beat on the topper collection. I’ve thrown out more than 6 for sure. I have 5 of one kind.

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This is the type of answer that makes me very suspicious. Why would they feel the need to hide what they are using in their mattresses?

Hello, thank you for reaching out! While we’re happy to help with any product questions, we’re not able to share specific coil gauges, ILD ratings, or foam densities, as this information is proprietary to our manufacturing process. If you’d like, I can absolutely provide details on the performance, feel, and benefits of the H6. Just let me know how I can help!

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ugh, well thanks for doing that. I might need to dive into the diy world.

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my helix topper comes on the 24th. I fear the bedgear mattress will sag sooner than later tho

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I just do not like when they hide stuff. They act as if BedGear has some secret formula they want to keep from the world. It is not as if they are coveting the coca cola formula.

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so I let my Helix topper expand and then stripped my bed of toppers. I put the Helix on the seemingly flat Beadgear bed, but the Hellx topper felt like a table to me. I sink right through the 1.7" of soft 12ish ILD and then either the mesh or 30ILD layer is making this hard to me. I wonder about removing the mesh or just trying the 30ILD by itself and put my 4 inch 12ILD on top. Thoughts?

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