Having trouble deciding between two mattresses

I have a really low budget and am in desperate need of a bed replacement. I also need to buy sheets because the old bed damaged them. I want to get a frame to replace the old broken boxspring too. That means I intend on spending about $115 on sheets and a frame, $40 and $75 respectively.

I have a budget of about $300-350 for a mattress. The cost being on the higher end means I need to wait more and slowly build up funds. I can’t make very much money very quickly and it’s rare that I have extra to spare. I’ve been sleeping on this damaged bed over a year… so yes I know that it’s better to wait and buy a more pricey bed but this isn’t an option for me.

Weight: 350 lbs. and dropping.
Height: 6’3" and not getting any taller by my age.
Mattress Size: Queen
Climate: Hot & Humid (need bed that doesn’t trap heat but I do have window A/C and Vornado)

Originally I was going to go for a the Linenspa 10" Latex Hybrid or the LUCID 10" Latex Hybrid because it didn’t seem like I could find anything better than this in my price range. They were willing to communicate with me and companies like Zinus, Signature Sleep/Olee don’t really respond or fail to comprehend basic English.

I’ve discovered some concerning things regarding mold that I hadn’t noticed before. I never wanted to buy from Asia… I of course wanted to buy American made but didn’t think I could afford that.

Turns out Brooklyn Bedding has a brand called Dreamfoam and they make their beds in Phoenix, AZ. They happen to have a couple beds in my price range:

Amazon.com (no longer listed on their website)
Amazon.com (manufacturer link: Dream Foam - Dream Foam)

(Notes on prices later)

Right from the start it’s nice to have something made in America not only due to quality control and materials but supporting the country by buying American. Secondly, they have a 120 day sleep trial where LUCID/Linenspa only had a 30-day which was basically a 2-day due to their restrictions and shipping/processing time. It appears Dreamfoam is better at handling returns too.

The first mattress is flippable and in my head this means it has the potential to last longer, provided I properly flip and rotate the mattress as necessary. I would rather not have to do all that but if it’s what I need to do in order to get something quality that lasts then it’ll have to do. I’m concerned about the quality due to the price being so low but I understand they’re a subsidiary of Brooklyn Bedding and they own their own manufacturing factories. It makes sense that they would be able to provide a quality, no-frills product at the lower end to compliment their higher end offerings from their main brand, even if they do it at a loss just to improve their recognition. Because of that combined with the fact it’s an American brand, it automatically gets more trust with such low-ball prices. I’m also concerned that due to it having only thin foam on both sides and some springs that maybe due to weight it won’t be good enough or last long enough.

The second one isn’t flippable but I figure rotating it would be a good idea. Obviously that’s less work than having to rotate AND flip. The foam concerns me because I’m worried about trapped heat and sinking into the mattress but I have a feeling (and this was later agreed on based on the “opinion of the support employee at Brooklyn Bedding”) that the mattress would last longer than the innerspring one, solely based on materials… excluding that it’s not double-sided. It having spring and foam makes me think it’s best for heavier weights and durability. I’ve seen plenty of reviews on the regular Arctic Dreams (all foam construction) but none on the Hybrid besides what’s available on Walmart and Amazon.

A couple final notes… If I buy on Amazon the beds only have a 30 day trial because I’d have to return to Amazon and not work directly with Dreamfoam. The Innerspring flippable mattress isn’t available anymore on the Dreamfoam website but the Hybrid one is. It’s cheaper to buy the Hybrid on their site and I’d get the full warranty. It’s easy to get 10% off year-round on Dreamfoam’s website and they don’t charge tax or shipping.

That means the cheapest I can get the “Arctic Dreams Cooling Gel Hybrid Mattress” is $324 which leaves me with about $64 I need to make to get all the things I need.

However, the Dreamfoam flippable innerspring can be found on Walmart’s website for $219 which means I could get everything with $ to spare. From what I’ve read on the Walmart website they don’t accept returns if the item was sold by someone else on their site and you’d need to return directly to the seller. I’d think this means Dreamfoam would apply their 120 day sleep trial to it but I would check for sure before purchasing.

So just quality-wise, based on my needs, which of the two would be the best choice for longevity?

Hi mattress310,

I looked and saw we had a discussion in early September. You have definitely narrowed down your choices since then, and it looks like you may want something made in the US rather than an import.
Earlier I said this:

[quote]To recap

  • Innerspring will be cooler than all foam, and over the life of the mattress more supportive.
  • If you are shopping based on price, then you need to read as many reviews as possible from people who are similar in build to yourself - 6’ 3" and 350 pounds to get a good comparison.
  • Check the comfort guarantee and return policies.
  • Don’t expect exceptional Customer Service and you will never be disappointed.
    [/quote]

I understand your budget, and if you are physically able, I would purchase only the mattress and have it on the floor to start (as long as your floor is an even surface). This way you could get the best possible mattress. Then as money allows, add the sheets, then a foundation and finally a frame. There is nothing that says it needs to be purchased at the same time. You just need center support for a queen mattress, and the floor would provide all the support you need.

Any type of innerspring will allow for more airflow than an all foam mattress as I mentioned earlier.
You said [quote]Climate: Hot & Humid (need bed that doesn’t trap heat)[/quote]

The two sided mattress you identified will be firm, as there are no comfort layers in the mattress. Please remember you can always make a mattress softer by adding a topper. They identify that this mattress has 1 layer of 3/4" quilt foam in the top and then a layer of 3/4" base foam. Base foam is usually very firm. They are using it here to make this pocket coil mattress 2 sided. Then they have their 7" individually wrapped pocket coils and the base foam and quilt. This is a very basic mattress. The pocket coils are meant to move independently to support your body, and is recommended for side sleepers.

The Hybrid mattress you identified is made with 3/4" quilt foam, then a 2.5" patented layer of Energex™ foam, a 6" individually wrapped pocket coil spring and 1" of base foam. I am not familiar with the specifications of their patented foam, but having 3" of foam in the top will probably sleep warmer.

In looking at the Amazon reviews on each mattress, I looked at the 1 star and organized by date.

The two sided mattress has 5 one star reviews in 2018, all verified purchasers.

The Hybrid has 17 one star reviews in 2018 with 16 verified purchasers.

I would really pay attention to the return policy when you purchase online. It can be difficult to get an innerpsring mattress back in a box if they want you to return the mattress. Save the box!
Please watch this video for reference.

Debbie Lewis

To be clear there’s no all foam mattress there, only an innerspring and a foam + innerspring.

The return policy at Brooklyn Bedding is that they will arrange a pickup by a local charity and give a full refund. Since I have no intention of buying via Amazon and the 120-day trial is supported by a Walmart purchase I won’t be locked into the 30-day policy from Amazon. I’d pick up the innerspring at Walmart or the hybrid through Dreamfoam’s site.

Also, regarding the reviews… I have myself looked at all the 1-star reviews and many of the other ones. I’m sure your counting is accurate of 1-star reviews for one vs the 1-star reviews for the other but the innerspring has only 535 reviews and the hybrid has 2,426 reviews.

You may have been assuming I was aware of this and making the point that the innerspring has about 0.94% 1-star reviews and the hybrid has about 1.113% 1-star reviews but either way it’s important for a reader to realize the one with over 3 times as many 1-star reviews has over 4.5 times as many reviews in total. So I guess the question becomes if a 0.173% difference is a big deal.

I always consider reviews for things but in the case of mattresses things are more misleading, secretive or any number of other strange things. It’s not as simple as researching computer hardware for example. For that reason I come here to ask about design specifics. I appreciate all of your replies and I’m wondering based solely on the construction of each which you think would last longer?

Thanks

Hi mattress310,

I just wanted to point out things that I focus on.

Not knowing the specifications of their patented Energex™ foam, I cannot tell how long you can expect it to last. I would contact the company and ask for the density of the foam. Anything 1.8 or higher is considered high density. Foam usually fails before springs.

One mattress has a 6" pocket coil spring and one has a 7" pocket coil spring. You can find out the number of turns in each coil and the wire gauge. If they have taken the 6" and stretched it to 7" then the 6" would last longer. Knowing the gauge of wire (usually above 14 for pocket coil) number of coils and height will help you understand the difference between the two springs. We can help you understand the information if they will provide it.

A call to Brooklyn Bedding or Dreamfoam should answer a lot of your questions. Hopefully they can talk to you specifically about the two mattresses and make recommendations based on your height, weight and sleep style.

More foam will equate to more heat - having the innerspring in each unit will help with airflow.
The less parts in any mattress means it usually lasts longer (so the 2 sided bed) because there is less that can fail. None of this matters if you are not comfortable. Call the company, ask the questions and get their input.

I wish you much success in finding a great mattress.

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79222]Hi mattress310,

I just wanted to point out things that I focus on.

Not knowing the specifications of their patented Energex™ foam, I cannot tell how long you can expect it to last. I would contact the company and ask for the density of the foam. Anything 1.8 or higher is considered high density. Foam usually fails before springs.

One mattress has a 6" pocket coil spring and one has a 7" pocket coil spring. You can find out the number of turns in each coil and the wire gauge. If they have taken the 6" and stretched it to 7" then the 6" would last longer. Knowing the gauge of wire (usually above 14 for pocket coil) number of coils and height will help you understand the difference between the two springs. We can help you understand the information if they will provide it.

A call to Brooklyn Bedding or Dreamfoam should answer a lot of your questions. Hopefully they can talk to you specifically about the two mattresses and make recommendations based on your height, weight and sleep style.

More foam will equate to more heat - having the innerspring in each unit will help with airflow.
The less parts in any mattress means it usually lasts longer (so the 2 sided bed) because there is less that can fail. None of this matters if you are not comfortable. Call the company, ask the questions and get their input.

I wish you much success in finding a great mattress.

Debbie Lewis


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For the Innerspring 9" flippable I was told that they (customer support) don’t have access to the information and that bed is from before she started working there. She said she “doesn’t think” the springs are stretched to 7" and unsure about the gauge of the coils as they don’t sell or make the bed anymore. She gave me the email of the manager so I could contact him and find the specifics as she was unable to transfer me to him since he was out on vacation. The coil count is available on the Amazon listing and it’s 1,015. The foam density also wasn’t available due to the oldness of the mattress and was also one of the things the manager should be able to help me with.

For the Hybrid Arctic I was able to find much more information. Also, she told me that they make the bed when it’s ordered through their site so that it’s a freshly made mattress. The coil count on that is also available on their website and it’s 1,024. I was told since the bed is rather new (which makes sense since there are no non-Amazon reviews for it but plenty for the original Arctic) the support agents don’t have the information on the gauge of the wires (but again I can contact the manager for that) but she said if she had to guess she’d say 13-14 gauge. As for foam density she said the Energex foam (2.5") is 3.5 lbs. and the HD polyfoam (1") is 1.5 lbs.

Hi mattress310,

I will be interested in hearing what information the manager will share with you.
The foam specifications are average.
3.5 pound memory foam and 1.5 pound base foam are what you would expect in a mattress at this price point.
Again, I wish you much success in finding a mattress that gets you restful and restorative sleep.

Debbie Lewis

The manager got back to me with answers to my questions. I’ll put those specifications plus the ones I posted before all in lists here from top to bottom.

Queen sized flippable innerspring:

[ul][li]3/4" foam in knit cover[/li]
[li]3/4" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)[/li]
[li]1,015 individually wrapped coils of 15.5 gauge[/li]
[li]6" coil depth (diagram says 7, so stretched right?)[/li]
[li]3/4" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)[/li]
[li]3/4" foam in knit cover[/li][/ul]

Queen sized Hybrid:

[ul][li]3/4" “ultra-soft quilted top”[/li]
[li]2.5" Energex foam (3.5 lbs.) - cooling infused[/li]
[li][strike]1,024 individually encased coils[/strike]* of 15.5 gauge[/li]
[li]6" coil depth[/li]
[li]1" HD polyfoam (1.5 lbs.)[/li][/ul]

*I realized that the site says “up to 1,024” and the sizes go up to King/CA King but the one I’m looking at is a Queen so the coil count should be less than 1,024. I’ll contact the manager and ask but I’m guessing it’s around 1,015.

Hi mattress310,

Good for you realizing they stated the maximum springs by saying “up to” and that would refer to a king size.
They gave you good detailed information on the mattresses, and again it is what we would expect at that price point. 1.5 density foam is not HD (high Density). True HD starts at 1.8 pound.

Ask if they will give you the other number in the foam - the soft/firm number. For example, if they said 1.528 that would be a 1.5 pound density with an ILD (or soft/firm rating) of 28 which is considered soft. 33 is typically the starting number for medium, and above 38 you start to get into firm.

I’m expecting medium to firm numbers for these beds. Remind the manager you are a side sleeper and ask which they think would be the best bed for your sleep style. You can also ask for their recommendations based on your budget and sleep style to see if there is a bed in their lineup that you are not aware of.

Remember, the more work you do now the better chance in getting a mattress that works well for you!

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79277]1.5 density foam is not HD (high Density). True HD starts at 1.8 pound.
[/quote]

I guess it’s not standardized because here it states otherwise: https://mattressunderground.com/mattresses/comfort-layers/polyurethane-foam.html

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79277]Ask if they will give you the other number in the foam - the soft/firm number. For example, if they said 1.528 that would be a 1.5 pound density with an ILD (or soft/firm rating) of 28 which is considered soft. 33 is typically the starting number for medium, and above 38 you start to get into firm.
[/quote]

Will do.

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79277]I’m expecting medium to firm numbers for these beds. Remind the manager you are a side sleeper and ask which they think would be the best bed for your sleep style. You can also ask for their recommendations based on your budget and sleep style to see if there is a bed in their lineup that you are not aware of.

Remember, the more work you do now the better chance in getting a mattress that works well for you!
[/quote]

Thanks very much

hi mattress310,

I am of the school that believes that HD only starts at 1.8, and 1.5 is a price point foam.
There is no way to really get 1.8 pound foam at your price point. Nothing wrong with that, just more information.

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79279]hi mattress310,

I am of the school that believes that HD only starts at 1.8, and 1.5 is a price point foam.
There is no way to really get 1.8 pound foam at your price point. Nothing wrong with that, just more information.

Debbie Lewis

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Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

The manager got back to me. He said the coil count is 816 in a Queen and I asked to clarify if he’s referring to the Spring Dreams or Hybrid Arctic because I had also asked about the springs being stretched or not because the diagram for the Spring Dreams states 7" springs. Now that I think about it that makes no sense. How can a 9" mattress have 1.5" total of comfort layers and 7" springs? I should have seen that from a mile away. He said he’d talk to his design team to have that diagram updated on Amazon.

Anyways he told me the ILD in the poly foam is “approximately 30” and for the Energex in the Hybrid Arctic it’s 28 ILD. Between the two mattresses, he suggests the Spring Dreams based on my information. The reason he recommends it over the Hybrid is because it would be a bit firmer and it’s two sided.

He recommended an all latex mattress they offer but it’s $1300 and I can’t do that. If he gave me that for the price of the Arctic Hybrid I’d test it out :smiley: but that’s really unreasonable and unrealistic. I wouldn’t expect an offer like that, especially from beds made in America.

Hi mattress310,

The manager is giving you good information…right up until they suggested a $1,300.00 mattress you should try.

Because you are a predominant side sleeper, his reason for suggesting the two sided mattress seems confusing, unless you explained that you do find yourself on your back at times:

Please remember I mentioned that

i think you have all of the information you need to order a bed. You have had positive interaction from the company, an E-mail address to a manager that is responsive and two beds that meet your price criteria.

If you have any additional information you want me to review, please let me know.
I wish you success, and hope you love your new mattress.

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79281]Hi mattress310,

The manager is giving you good information…right up until they suggested a $1,300.00 mattress you should try.

Because you are a predominant side sleeper, his reason for suggesting the two sided mattress seems confusing, unless you explained that you do find yourself on your back at times:

Please remember I mentioned that

i think you have all of the information you need to order a bed. You have had positive interaction from the company, an E-mail address to a manager that is responsive and two beds that meet your price criteria.

If you have any additional information you want me to review, please let me know.
I wish you success, and hope you love your new mattress.

Debbie Lewis

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Nope, I didn’t say anything about ending up on my back. He gave more details to that suggestion though that may be useful to know when discussing his suggestion.

Here’s the direct quote:

“If you are looking for something you can invest in for a good nights sleep, I would highly recommend our Ultimate Dreams Latex Mattress all foam with a comfort level 5,4, or 3 the base foam would be 36ILD and the latex would be 28,32, or 36ILD as well. This mattress is a bit more expensive but will last you much longer. It would provide a lot more support as well.”

Here’s the one he’s referring to: Dream Foam - Dream Foam

I didn’t really go over details due to price but wanted to lay everything out to be clear.

Yeah, thanks for the help. I’m pretty indecisive so no matter how many people tell me the Innerspring is probably longer lasting I’ll be going over things still.

I do have a topper question though. How do you stop it from sliding around on the mattress? Wouldn’t it just slide all over the place?

Hi mattress310,

You said

The topper would normally be placed under the fitted sheet or even under a mattresses protector and then the fitted sheet. Either way, this will help keep it in place.

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79283]Hi mattress310,

You said

The topper would normally be placed under the fitted sheet or even under a mattresses protector and then the fitted sheet. Either way, this will help keep it in place.

Debbie Lewis

[/quote]

Thanks a lot!

Wanted to provide more information about the mattress. I was doing more research and on the Walmart listing for the Innerspring mattress it says it “uses a coil system that is a 15 gauge 6 turn Samson Coil.”

Hi mattress310,

As you get into the details, you will start to identify the differences and similarities.
Please remember that the one thing these mattresses will have in common is that they will be firm. As a side sleeper, do you think this will be an issue?

Remember a few posts ago when i mentioned this:

Keep your focus on the mattress only at this point, and if you have a store in your area that sells mattresses go try out one of their basic firm models. All the research won’t help if this turns out to not be comfortable for you.

Debbie Lewis

[quote=“Parklane Mattresses” post=79291]Hi mattress310,

As you get into the details, you will start to identify the differences and similarities.
Please remember that the one thing these mattresses will have in common is that they will be firm. As a side sleeper, do you think this will be an issue?

Remember a few posts ago when i mentioned this:

Keep your focus on the mattress only at this point, and if you have a store in your area that sells mattresses go try out one of their basic firm models. All the research won’t help if this turns out to not be comfortable for you.

Debbie Lewis
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Yes I saw that you said that but I have various reasons I need to get everything at once. I have no way of getting to those stores right now or transferring one of those mattresses. As far as if I think it will be an issue side sleeping, I have no idea… I’m being told that due to weight and side sleeping that firm is the best choice to make because your body digs into the bed more on your side. I have seen it on this site, Sleepopolis videos and various places across the internet.

The manager got back to me and said that the two frames I’m looking at from Naomi and Zinus don’t void the warranty (I like to make sure I get them on record stating things like this so they can’t use it as an excuse later if something goes wrong). He told me that he spoke with the Walmart store manager and the trial policy has been changed to 120 days.

It’s my opinion that he was mistaken that the trial policy at Walmart was only 30 days and it was in-fact 120 the entire time I’ve been in conversation with him and what he means by “has been changed” is that it’s now [going to be] changed on the Walmart WEBSITE to 120 and was previously 90, which was their old policy.

EDIT: Also, I have the money right now to get the bed, sheets, foundation and an encasement and still have $30 to spare because the bed is so cheap on Amazon and I was expecting to pay about $350+ for a bed before.

Hi mattress310,

I wasn’t saying you should purchase a bed from a local retailer, I was only suggesting you go to a showroom and try a basic firm mattress to see if it is comfortable.

I see transportation is an issue, so it may be time to just order and use the comfort guarantee to return it if it doesn’t work out.

I wish you much success and restorative sleep.

Debbie Lewis