Hybrid that feels or approximates the feel of a Four Seasons hotel mattress?

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It has been eight years since I first posted here, researching a mattress. I feel like a big “L” is stamped on my forehead. But now I’m desperate. I’m really serious this time, because I have been sleeping terribly over the past year and I know it’s the bed. We are actually at our timeshare at the Four Seasons Hotel in Carlsbad California right now, and I am sleeping like a baby in this hotel Simmons bed. It gives me something akin to a panic attack, knowing that we have to go home in a week and I have to return to our 16 year-old blah of a Novafoam bed from Costco. I am miserable with our Novafoam. My husband is miserable too, but he just doesn’t know he is, because I’m the one who does all the research and I know his back pain on arising is attributable to the bed. But after sleeping in this bed last night, he agrees we must make a move.

We are both 74 years old. I am 5’3 “ tall, 110 lbs and my husband is 6 ft 185 lbs. We are mostly side sleepers, although I do a cross between back and side sleeping. I would prefer something plush or with a topper which has a split plush/medium option. I know I want a hybrid…but whether a latex or foam hybrid, I just don’t know. I know a latex mattress is heavier, and lifting up corners to make and change sheets and bedding…it if is more difficult with a latex mattress, then I think I want foam. On the other hand, I sleep hot at times and I think the Novafoam memory foam is not my friend. We will buy an eastern king and I am looking at the Thuma platform bed frame. (I am giving up on our iron canopy bed frame.) Our budget is up to $2,500 for the mattress, topper, mattress protector, etc.

What would closely approximate the being enveloped in a cloud-like feel of the Four Seasons bed? One that is sold by one of your Trusted Members? (BTW, I did a search for “Four Seasons”, and I know it is “risky” to ask this question, but I’m honestly not looking for a Simmons, Serta or Stearns and Foster or any related brands. Here are the loosely divulged specs on the Four Seasons bed:

FOUR SEASONS MATTRESS COMPONENT TECHNOLOGY

  • DualCool™ Technology found at the top of the euro top constructed mattress is an antimicrobial performance layer that works to keep your mattress fresh and cool while moving heat and moisture away.
  • GelTouch® Foam is a soft gel foam that helps provide comfort, support, airflow and breathability.
  • Gel memory foam layer to help comfort your body to provide optimal support and cushioning.
  • Get cool, comfortable sleep with AirCool® Foam which has a channeled design that allows airflow through the mattress.
  • Plush Gel Memory foam layer, for additional support that provides pressure relief by distributing your body’s weight evenly.
  • Targeted support in the center of your mattress designed to provide support to your lower back to ensure proper alignment and help you wake up refreshed – Exclusive to Four Seasons’ Hotel Collection
  • Pocketed Coil® Technology provides flexible support precisely where it is needed and isolates motion between sleepers.

Thank you in advance for your help!

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The make their own mattresses. I was reading about it yesterday. Luxury Hotel Mattresses | Best Hotel Mattresses | Four Seasons at Home

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You’re absolutely right to dig deeper into the Four Seasons mattress, as it’s not actually manufactured by them. While they may design and specify the mattress, it’s Simmons that makes the actual product. Specifically, Simmons provides these hotel mattresses with additional features, such as perimeter edge foam encasement, which is designed to provide edge support and prevent sagging. If you have read any of my posts on perimeter foam edge support, not a big fan. Here is a video that discusses the various edge support modalities. However, you should definitely be cautious about the mattress’s return, refund, and restocking policies, as these can sometimes be a headache if not existent.

Here’s a quick rundown of the Four Seasons mattress and its warranty:

Four Seasons mattresses are made by Simmons and come with a limited ten-year warranty. This warranty protects you against manufacturing and structural defects under normal usage conditions. Keep in mind that all claims are subject to manufacturer inspection and review.

That said, remember that most hotel mattresses, including those used in luxury settings like Four Seasons, are typically designed for short-to-medium term performance — around 3-5 years, which is much less than the lifespan you’d want from a mattress for home use. Hotels design mattresses with a specific demographic in mind and with durability for heavy, transient use, not necessarily the optimal long-term support you’d expect from a mattress that you sleep on every night.

It’s also worth noting that hotel sleep experiences can be different from those in a home setting. When you’re on vacation, you’re often more while you may be more relaxed, perhaps more physically active during the day, can be exhausting and you may be “beat” by the end of the day and can’t wait to get on a mattress. Your mindset can be completely different than when you’re at home, where your mattress may have seen its useful life or was never that ideal. A mattress in a hotel may feel perfect for a night or two of sleep, but the longer-term comfort and support may not meet your expectations once you’re back in your routine.

For example, I stayed at a luxury hotel in Florida that used Simmons BeautyRest Hospitality mattresses (available for purchase on their website). My wife and I both experienced significant discomfort for 5 days on their “luxury” mattress. Yet, after just one night back home on our own mattress, my wife remarked how much more comfortable it was — the pain from the hotel mattress was completely gone.

So, while it’s tempting to chase that perfect night’s sleep from a hotel, be cautious. Hotel mattresses are designed for different purposes than mattresses you’d expect to perform long-term.

A final note: If you decide to go ahead with a hybrid mattress, look for something that combines memory foam for pressure relief, along with innerspring coils for support. Some hybrid mattresses also feature latex layers for added cooling, which might suit your needs since you’ve mentioned sleeping hot. Latex generally offers longer life spans than memory foam, and are far more durable.

In terms of your weight preferences and the split firmness option, I’d recommend a mattress with a slightly plush feel for side sleeping but also offers enough support to avoid sinking too deeply, especially given your husband’s larger frame.

For a mattress that gives you a cloud-like, cushioned feel, look for slightly plush hybrid mattresses with a focus on pressure relief. And if you’re concerned about weight, foam hybrids tend to be lighter than latex hybrids, which will be easier for changing sheets and handling.

When it comes to cooling technology, take claims with a grain of salt. While some materials like gels, grids, and air circulation systems are often marketed as high-tech solutions, their effectiveness can be overstated. Many of these technologies are based on scientific principles used in other fields, but they don’t always deliver the dramatic cooling effects they’re made out to be.

For example, mattresses with features like air escape channels, microcoils replacing traditional memory foam, or air-circulating springs and coils may be a more effective way to provide some cooling benefits, In practice, the cooling effects can vary depending on factors like your body’s temperature, sleep environment, and even the materials used in the mattress cover. So, while the supposed cooling fabric technologies can help somewhat, they’re not a guarantee of a consistently cool night’s sleep.

Good luck with your search!

All the best,

Maverick

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Yes, I know!! for $6K and with dubious quality. I considered buying a Four Seasons bed ten years ago, but glad I did not. But I would like to approximate the feel of it with something better quality.

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Maverick: I agree with your assessment and recommendations. Where can I find a “hybrid mattress that combines memory foam for pressure relief, along with innerspring coils for support”……and also features “latex layers for added cooling”, and a “mattress with a slightly plush feel for side sleeping but also offers enough support to avoid sinking too deeply.” One that has “cloud-like, cushioned feel”.

I would like to stick with your Trusted Member brands. Which brands would offer these features?

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@DLX has their new Memory max hybrid.
@EngineeredSleep has a memory foam hybrid.

@EngineeredSleep may be able to build you a mattress with both memory foam, latex and pocketed springs.

Perhaps @BackScience may have some options in that area as well, most likely in their tempflow line.

Hopefully, they will chime in with specific solutions.

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Thank you! I watched the video on edge support and I definitely want that edge to edge coil system! I’ll start looking at the brands you mentioned and I’ll report back!

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Awesome, TMU is always here to help guide you. All the best!

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I am happy to chime in and just to reassure you, your issue is something that I have seen quite frequently over the 20+ years I have been designing mattresses and one that really feel like I have solved for many customers. Hybrids can be the best mattress to address the low back, while still reducing pressure in the shoulders and middle to upper spine, but not all are created equal. As a Doctor of Chiropractic, I have always wanted to ensure that any mattress I design will offer pressure relief and to do that properly, the mattress has to contour your body. Unfortunately, most of the time that leads to a hammocking of the low back and hips, since that is the heaviest area of most individuals.

With the Back Science mattress, I helped create a special interlocking specially zoned Lumbar-Flex support and I have been able to test and verify that it really does work to produce the most optimal alignment thanks to hundreds of customers that I have measured using the Mattress Checker sleep posture App. In your case, I would recommend the Back Science 2, which will be great for maintaining the back support your husband needs, while also offering the pressure relief that you are getting from the Four Seasons hotel.

Either way, please note that while a recent survey we had Trust Pilot run found that 97% of our Back Science mattress customers felt that the Back Science mattress reduced their back pain, we also have 365 Night comfort guarantee, with completely free customizations. So, you don’t have to just discard the mattress if it does not work the first time and those comfort or firmness adjustments usually work perfectly when needed. I hope that helps, but feel free to let me know if you have any additional questions whatsoever!

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Thank you for responding! I will take a look at your website!

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Hi @whippetmom! Thank for sending all of that information. Super helpful! The best option from our collection of mattresses for your specific needs would be our Duo Memory Plus:

It combines edge to edge pocketed coil support (from Texas Pocket Springs). It is their QuadCoil design, which is awesome.

The Comfort Layers are made with 2 inches of Latex combined with 2 inches of Memory Foam on the very top. This gives you the pressure relieving feel of Memory Foam, but you can also feel the responsiveness of latex. It will still sleep cool as well.

Our Duo Mattresses are also made in 2 pieces - so the Comfort Layers are replaceable down the road, while the Pocketed Coil support lasts 15+ years easily.

Here is a video that shows some visuals of this system.

There are lots of great options out there for you! Let me know how I can help.

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Thank you! I will contact you today! The mattress seems ideal!

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