Info on Dreamfoam mattress on Amazon

[phoenix]

Hi yukoncornelius,

The major thing you can actually help someone with on this forum is to understand what the materials mean. Your recommendations thus consist of helping people identify weak points.

I then posed a situation to you, after you answered that the difference between 1.8 and 2.0 foam is density, but the stiffness/softness and/or quality of that foam can extend beyond the number. How then can you make or suggest “weakpoitns”

I then posed a situation to you, after you answered that the difference between 1.8 and 2.0 foam is density, but the stiffness/softness and/or quality of that foam can extend beyond the number. How then can you make or suggest “weakpoitns”

The firmness of each layer and the design of the mattress as a whole are related to “comfort” and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your personal preferences). They have little to do with the quality or durability of a mattress. If you have a mattress for example that is made from lower quality materials and another mattress that is made from higher quality materials and the type, thickness, and firmness and general properties of the foam layers are the same in both then the two mattresses would “feel” very similar to each other in a showroom or when they are relatively new. The difference is that the mattress with the higher quality/density materials will be more durable and will maintain it’s original properties for longer before the foams soften or break down and the mattress loses it’s comfort and support relative to the person sleeping on it. A “weak link” in a mattress is related to durability … not suitability and PPP.

It would be unrealistic to think that anyone has slept on the many thousands of mattresses that are available in the industry either locally or online and even if they had slept on all of them for an extended period of time (which of course would be impossible) this would only tell them which of them were a suitable “match” in terms of PPP for the person sleeping on them … not for anyone else.

This is why when you can’t test a mattress in person that the most reliable source of guidance in terms of PPP is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else. Of course even here not everyone fits “inside the averages”.

The quality/durability guidelines here are designed to help people shift the odds in their favor of making a more durable choice and help them avoid mattresses that use lower quality and less durable materials that are much more likely to soften or break down prematurely … not to help people make a more suitable choice in terms of PPP which is only possible with careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) or based on their own personal experience on the mattress.

Furthermore, the ultimate dreams mattress successfully PASSED the PPP as well as value proposition to me. Moreover, you recommended it as dreamfoam/brooklyn bedding uses quality materials. Looking at the reviews of that mattress on amazon of people who have had it over a year, there are QUITE a number of reports that reflect my personal experience. And would seem to indicate that the base materials used are not high quality (they no longer offer the body proper support). Warranty claim will fail because of the nature of how dreamfoam/brooklyn determine a warranty claim.

Again I only provide guidelines about “how” to choose and I don’t recommend any specific mattress but I have already answered this in detail in my previous replies. There are many reasons why a small percentage of people may have experiences on a mattress (either in terms of suitability or durability) that are different from the majority of people that purchase the same mattress and you will find these types of exceptions with any mattress in the industry (and of course these exceptions generally believe that their experience is the norm and rarely think of themselves as exceptions … even if the large majority of people are happy with the same mattress).

Post #4 here also has more information about the 5 main possibilities that could account for your experience.

The goal of this site is to help shift the odds of success much more highly in favor of making a suitable, durable, and good value choice but like anything that involves many complex, subjective, and interacting influences there will always be exceptions to the norm.

In some ways it’s a matter of “risk management”. I also enjoy a good game of poker and sometimes AA hole cards will lose and 2-7 off suit will win regardless of the odds but regardless of whether you win or lose with any specific hand or on any specific day or week … the law of averages will always catch up with you in the end. The goal of this site is to shift the odds of success in favor of the consumer as much as possible by knowing what to look for and what to avoid based on the “preponderance of the evidence” that is available throughout the industry because no set of guidelines or suggestions will ever be “perfect” or be a “guarantee” of success.

There are really three main parts to choosing a good quality/value mattress where the odds of success are in your favor (even though there are no guarantees).

1. Testing carefully for suitability and PPP (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) and/or making sure that you are comfortable with the exchange/return options that are available to you if you can’t test a mattress in person or aren’t confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking the materials inside the mattress for quality/durability to make sure there are no lower quality materials that would be an obvious weak link in the mattress.

3. Comparing your “finalists” for “value” based on #1 and #2 along with all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix