You are welcome! I am glad that you are gaining more clarity.
It makes a lot of sense to step back for a while and “not jump in immediately” as you’d need some time to reassess things with any new relevant data that enters your awareness. You probably know by now much more than many typical sales people….and based upon your comments you have a general idea of the types of components you need to look for in your new mattress, so I’d also trust this as you move along.
I’ll look forward to learning about your progress and any other questions you might have.
Hello. I’ve spent part of the holiday looking at mattresses on-line. I wanted more options with better specs than the SS and one other mattress I discussed. I’m still considering the Nolah 10 inch. Nest bedding caught my attention. I think I give up on not naming the mattress, as it’s not really helpful to your readers. I am considering the Love and Sleep and the Signature Select.
Love & Sleep Mattress
3 inches 2.8 Energex foam (which is good).
I inch of Smartflow foam.
6 inches of 1.8 lb polyurethane foam.
Overall it looks decent. I like the certifications it has. There is no way for me to know if alignment would be good. I would go with the medium. The specs indicate that it may be durable.
While both beds you listed would be good quality/value for your BMI, I’d keep in mind that 4" of memory foam will not feel the same over the entire course of the night because of memory foam’s temperature sensitivity, which of course is also dependent on body and external temperature, humidity, and time spent on the foam. All memory foams, even the ones that are firmer than others (they range from an ILD of about 8 to about 18 although ILD is not that significant with memory foam), are considered to be soft foams and the biggest variable is how long it takes for them to get soft. This is why memory foam cannot be used as a support material in a mattress (it’s only used in the top layers) and there is always a different material used under the memory foam to support the weight of the body. Memory foam is a slow responding pressure relieving material.
Also while 12.5" thick mattress is not necessary unless you like a tall setup you can read more about the effect of thickness in post #14 here. Regardless of how thick or thin a mattress may be, the most important part of the “value” of a mattress is how suitable it is “as a whole” for your particular body type, sleeping positions, and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) regardless of how thick it may be. There is certainly no reason that at your weight you would “need” more thickness, but you may still “prefer” a mattress that is thicker or thinner depending on the design and layer arrangement. I’d make sure to call Nest Bedding and ask them to assist you to ensure the best chance of having a good firmness fit. They are extremely helpful and consumer oriented and like all the members of the site I think very highly of.
Thanks for your holiday wishes… I’ve had a very enjoyable time, I hope you did too
I’m researching and taking the time to be careful.
I’m still not clear on the durability of 4 inches of 4 lb memory foam used as the top 4 inches of a mattress. I thought that any mattress brand (there are quite a few like this) with four inches of 4 lb memory foam might be considered slightly lower quality or less durable. Can you clarify? Sorry.
Glad to hear that you are taking your time to make an informed decision.
For a BMI less than 30 … 4" of 4lbs memory foam would meet the quality/durability guidelines listed in the article here. As all components you listed are good for your BMI I’d focus now on mattress suitability… support/comfort .
I’m back. I’ve tried the Nolah which began to sleep unevenly right before the return date. It was nice for the first 2 months, but quickly began to change for the worse. I’ve also tried the Silk & Snow. I would say the Silk & Snow was by far one of the most comfortable mattresses I’ve tried. Unfortunately, it started to tank (sleep very unevenly) after one month. I’m now sleeping on a Sleep to Live. My friend got one and loved it. Her mattress is still going strong at 10 months. I purchased the same mattress and loved the comfort for 2 whole weeks. It now has a valley and a hill, so it’s going back. It seems that Sleep to Live has a quality control issue going on.
I"m interested in the Casper. I’ve contacted them on-line to get their specs, but they told me it’s a and I’m not kidding…“secret.” They won’t budge and I couldn’t even confirm the specs you have here from a few years ago. Do you have an opinion on the original Casper?
I’ve also looked at the specs for a Capitol Bedding mattress. The specs are as follows:
1 inch of 1.6 lb polyurethane.
3/8th of 1.8 lb polyurethane.
Liner.
1.5 inches of 1.8 lb polyurethane foam.
Coils (I’m sorry I forgot what type).
1 inch of 2.5 base foam.
Could you give me your thoughts about durability regarding the Casper Original and the Capitol Bedding mattress.
In case you’re wondering how I’ve made it all these years. I’ve used an air mattress with a good topper. It’s not the best, but better than many mattresses I’ve tried.
That is too bad regarding the Nolah. Just a couple of other quick comments.
Casper Mattress telling you its a …“secret” that is just priceless. I know they have also changed their original mattress, as it no longer has the top 1" of latex in it. This has been confirmed to me a number of times. Casper now acts like Simmons/Sealy/Serta/Tempur do, less transparency…they know better.
Regarding the Capitol Mattress. Which of the layers are part of the “quilt” and which layers are just comfort layers? Regardless of the specific answers, one should be cautious of this mattress as the durability of the comfort layers will be a problem which we discuss in our durability guidelines…how long a mattress will lastarticle.
I couldn’t believe it when the Casper representative told me the density of the foams was a “secret.” I get that response, as you mentioned, from Sealy, Serta and so on.
Here are the specs for the Capitol Bedding Mattress:
Quilting:
1 inch of high density foam. The actual density is not given.
1 inch of 1.8 lb polyurethane foam.
Thanks for the spec information on the Capitol. Noted on the latex not working. You saw my notes on the comfort layers breaking down. The Hickory coil units are good quality, big company, but coil products are high quality.
Another fabricator, IBS (Innovative Bedding Solutions), in Buena Vista, CA makes the majority of the Tuft and Needle mattresses, I think they ship them all to Amazon Fulfillment centers. T&N may have a secondary source also, but the majority are made by IBS.
To clarify: You believe the Capitol Bedding mattress may not hold up due to the 1.8 lb polyurethane foam in top layer of mattress. If so, why do so many bed in a box mattresses use 1.8 lb polyurethane as a base for their mattresses? Do you find that 1.8 lb polyurethane foam doesn’t hold up over time. Can you tell me what company makes the Capitol Bedding Hickory Coil units?
Lots of questions, as usual!!
Thanks for the information regarding who makes the Tuft & Needle.
Hi im new to the forum and I’m not sure where or how to post a new topic but I was wondering if there is anywhere to purchase slow response latex in 2019? I see that a lot of manufacturers have discontinued these types of products for a variety of reasons(such as people either wanted memory foam or latex) so just wondering if there is anywhere to purchase slow response latex layers or toppers in 2019?
Thanks for the message. Using 1.8lb poly foam as a support core goes through a different process of wear and tear, but the comfort layers closest to the body receive the most pressure and breakdown.
The Capitol Mattress is most likely a good mattress and it may last a long time for you, and what you need. I am just cautious with using practically 6inches of polyfoam in the comfort layers (and quilt)
I think this foundational article about polyfoam comfort layers better explains what I am cautious about.
The springs are made at Hickory Springs, a division of HSM Solutions. They are a huge company, very good reputation, high-quality springs.
I have not thought about the slow recovery latex. For the most part, only three companies made it in any volume. Talalay Global, Radium and Latexco…I sm sure some of the Asian manufacturers could process this foam.
I know Brookly Bedding used to sell a lot of these toppers and some mattresses to Overstock.com, but I am not seeing anyone promoting this product either.
It was not a “great product” felt kind of neat, when you touched it, but it really didnt feel that great as a comfort layer. A couple of big brands used it for a while, but it died down over time.
It’s not listed on the product page on Talalay global anymore on Talalay mattress corespage.
Maybe someone else has some more info on this, I will check with the Talalay people to see if it’s being sold anymore. You can also ask Ken at Arizona Premium, I know they sold it in the past, he would know if anyone is producing it anymore.
Thank you sensei. I found a Nuform topper on overstock but I’m not sure if it’s slow response and they have not responded to my question yet regarding that. Charles p. Rogers has a 2 sided topper that they say one side is slow response but when I called them they weren’t very knowledgeable on any of the specs other than its from latexco + it’s way overpriced. The search continues…
I know when Brooklyn Bedding first started using the “Nuform” name, they used this latex, but I think they are using the name with different memory foam. It would say so very clearly if it was latex.
Speaking of the dual-sided topper, it reminded me that Luma Sleep, a Mattress Expert member introduced a 3" Dal Sided Talalay / Memory foam topper. It’s called Sweet Dreams Hybrid Topper, and it’s on sale for $297 for a queen. Check it out, if you are interested.
I will admit that I just got a Sleep to Live and love it. It’s the most comfortable mattress I have ever slept on. Unfortunately, around day 30 it really started to sink. When I wake up, I’m sunk way in and the other side is up, so if I try to move over I’m on a slant. I really want to keep it, but I’m concerned that eventually sink will stay. I wish I knew the density of the foam they use. I will likely have to return it and I don’t want to. I just can’t justify the price, if it breaks down quickly. Have you heard anything regarding the Sleep To Live mattresses? Oh, also it doesn’t irritate my chemical sensitivities and that was a great and happy shock. Please let me know what you know about the Sleep to Live mattress from Art Van. Thank you!!
The Nuform does say that it’s latex but doesn’t say if it’s slow response & they still haven’t responded to this question. I have found a few companies that sell dual sided(1side latex & 1side memoryfoam) layers or toppers but I just want slow response latex to go over my regular talalay/ Dunlop layers. I found aireloom uses what they call Luxus latex which is slow response but it’s only 1 inch and found I think in only 1 of their mattresses, it’s not sold separately and I do find their mattresses a little overpriced IMO.
The Sleep to Live mattresses sold by Art Van are made by Kingsdown, possibly with some custom modifications to differentiate them from other Kingsdown dealers. Kingsdown is known for making some very plush and comfortable mattresses, but unfortunately they are less than transparent regarding specific details on their construction. If you search for owner reviews on their mattresses there are numerous complaints like yours about their lack of durability ending up with severe depressions and sagging which is rarely covered under warranty. Most often the sagging and soft spots are only when a person is on the mattress and for warranty claims the measured depression is only considered with no weight on the mattress. If you’re experiencing such sinking issues in only 30 days they will only get worse in time so I’d suggest returning it while you’re within the window and selecting another more durable mattress. Better to catch these issues early on while you still have an option for exchange than later when you’d be stuck with it!
I am curious why you are looking for “Slow Response” Latex? Is it that you want Latex surface but without the Springiness? Like Latex behaving like Memory Foam?
I have an all Latex Matress with Dunlop core and a soft Talalay topper, but looking to add something to make it a little firmer, so I am now I am experimenting with placing a thin 1 inch regular HD foam on top etc
Let me know if you find anything slow response latex
I would love to know the density of the foams used in the Sleep To Live mattresses. Based on my experience, I’m think the polyurethane foam is likely 1.2 lb in density. I think that’s why it feels so soft and comfortable for about 30 days and then begins to fail. I’ve already begun the return process. It’s really disappointing. This company, if they were willing to use high quality foam, could have one of the best mattresses out there. I guess money vs customer satisfaction is always going to be the most important factor.
I’ve watched as the Mattress Firm declared bankruptcy. I wasn’t surprised. I think other mattress stores may face the same fate. It’s time for mattress stores to insist that the mattresses they sell be required to carry 1.8 lb or higher polyurethane foam and 4 lb or higher memory foam. One can dream…
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