Here is a little more information on the less expensive one.
https://www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Bedding-10-Inch-Memory-Mattress/dp/B00EPRCAVG/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
I am going to stick to 4 lbs. and 3 inches.
Unless someone tells me that’s overkill for 170lbs.
Ok, here are my final options:
2" of 4 lb gel for $279
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Slumber-Solutions-Gel-Memory-Foam-8-inch-Queen-size-Mattress/6995871/product.html?searchidx=0
2.5" of 4lb for $359
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Sarah-Peyton-Firm-Support-10-inch-Queen-size-Memory-Foam-Mattress-with-Pillows/4141883/product.html?refccid=FEAD5UEGEOAJN22MOOMPEJF7QI&searchidx=6
3" of 4lb for $422
https://www.amazon.com/Density-Elastic-Memory-Foam-Mattress/dp/B006W0WL2M/ref=sr_1_2?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1379890105&sr=1-2
3" of 4lb for $381
https://www.amazon.com/Density-Elastic-Memory-Foam-Mattress/dp/B006Q6B0SI/ref=sr_1_3?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1379890105&sr=1-3
4" of 4 lb. for $420
http://www.nobleproductline.com/4LB-9-Memory-Foam-Mattress-p/94mm.htm
Right now, I am leaning towards the $381 mattress linked above.
BUT, is it better to get fewer inches but in gel foam?
What’s the long/short of gel foam? Better?
Also, what’s the deal with latex? Better?
Will either be a significant jump up in price from the $400 range?
The one for $381 is an odd size! A standard Queen is 80 x 60 not 78 x 58; although, you may not really care…just saying…
Latex is the most durable foam. There isn’t any Latex (Made in USA) I’ve seen for <$500, not even blended or synthetic.
Regards
Ok, if Latex is not < $500, it’s off the table.
I will most likely pull the trigger on the $380 tomorrow.
It seems like a decent value for 3" of 4lb foam.
Lots of position reviews, as well.
I prefer to spend less, and replace every few years.
Hi Need2PullTheTrigger,
I wasn’t planning to add to the thread because you didn’t want to do research and I don’t suggest specific mattresses for people (there are too many variables and unknowns to use “theory at a distance” or other people’s suggestions or reviews as an effective way to choose a mattress design or comfort level that is “best” for you) but I thought I’d jump in to caution you that you may be fairly deep into the “buyer beware” side of the industry. Some online merchants don’t list their materials accurately, will list foam densities per 2 cubic feet, add up the densities of several layers and list them as a single density, or list numbers in their descriptions that don’t relate to density at all (for example the 3.3, 5.5, and 6.5 listed here by Allsleep (Cloud 9) have nothing to do with foam density even though it’s clearly meant to imply to customers that it does). The PURgreen certification also doesn’t list what it tests for and is basically meaningless. I would ask some very specific “point blank” questions about the specific density of every layer in the mattresses you are looking at and also make sure you know the actual shipping weight of the mattress so you can check them to make sure they are close to being right.
PPP means Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences which along with the durability of the materials and your personal value equation are the basics of how to choose a mattress that is “best” for you.
Phoenix
Do you think this indicates legit foam?
- 58 x 78 x 10 with 3 inches of 4 lb memory foam conforms to your body perfectly, 7 inches of high resilence base
- Mattress features 3 inches of four-pound density with the famous gel-like feel.
https://www.amazon.com/Density-Elastic-Memory-Foam-Mattress/dp/B006Q6B0SI/
Hi Need2PullTheTrigger,
If it really is memory foam with a 4 lb polymer density and if you know the density of the polyfoam base layer as well and you know the shipping weight so you can confirm the specs then it would be “legit foam” although I would personally want to know that it was CertPur certified as well just to be on the safe side.
Part of the problem with some of the online suppliers that are part of the “race to the bottom” is that you really don’t know who you are dealing with or the accuracy of their descriptions. There are many who take advantage of the fact that consumers for the most part won’t be able to tell the difference between descriptions like the ones I linked from the same supplier (Allsleep) that “sound like” one thing but are really something else or between what they “thought” they ordered and what they actually received.
There are dozens if not hundreds of suppliers that are only in business to make a quick profit that get their foam from liquidators such as this (which is Memory Foam Solutions) where you really don’t know the reliability or quality of the supply source or the reputation or integrity of the people that are selling it.
Phoenix
Thanks Phoenix, Yes, I see what you’re saying in those 3 links where they just add a random “model number” that appears to match common foam weights. It’s deceptive, but only for the most clueless. These toppers labelled 6.5 and 5.5 sell for $50-$100, so anyone with any basic knowledge of the foam market will know they are too cheap to be 6.5 POUND foam. Further, the same maker also sells “4lb memory foam” for a lot more money. So, it’s pretty clear to me there’s a difference, and they’re NOT claiming it to be “6.5 POUND foam”.
I think your suspicion is appropriate when applied to products simply marked as “Product 5.5” (unethical, yes) but I think it’s starting to sound like borderline paranoia or OCD when you apply it to products literally marked " 3 inches of 4 lb memory foam". That is pretty explicit, and a lot different than " 6.5 Visco Elastic Memory Foam" with no mention of the word “POUND”. Unless you’re saying that claim of “3 inches of 4 lb memory foam” is an outright lie? Have you seen this?
Hi Need2PullTheTrigger,
When you spend the amount of time that I do researching materials and sources and have a fairly broad view of the industry then caution signs or red flags become easier to spot.
Not only do some vendors outright lie … others add together the foam density of two separate layers (such as 1.5 lb base foam and 2.5 lb memory foam) and call their mattress 4 lb memory foam and others yet will calculate their foam density per 2 cubic feet. I have seen examples of all of this. I have even seen some merchants ship one product to people they thought were likely to check on their order or who asked “tough questions” and then use the feedback to their advantage and send other lower quality products to the majority of their customers who they thought wouldn’t check what they received as carefully … particularly with foam densities. There are lots of red flags and “connected sites” here and you can call it “borderline paranoia” or prudence but there are reasons for the cautions that I provide. Of course all the members here are always free to make any purchase decisions that they feel are best for them but I thought I would jump in and add a caution to some of the choices you were considering.
It would at least make sense to me to ask them for the density of the base foam and for the specific weight of the mattress you are ordering.
Phoenix
Damn, those are some shady ass tactics. Thanks for the caution. It sounds like you can’t be too cautious.
I will have to do a little math to calculate the expected weight, once I find out the density of the bottom layer.
Any idea who I call for that one?
Hi Need2PullTheTrigger,
For the retailers you mentioned …
Allsleep’s phone number is here (at the bottom of the page).
Noble doesn’t have a phone number listed on their contact page here but their Amazon page has a contact number here.
Overstock’s contact page is here
Phoenix
If those calls don’t go as well as expected, you may want to reconsider making a quick decision based primarily on price. Even making those calls shows you are willing to do a little research and I applaud the effort. If you take it one step more you could browse through the companies listed on the underground “Our membership” tab. At least you will know that you are getting a quality product for the money.
If you buy mattresses for $400 that lasts 2 years each that equals $4000 over a 20 year period.
If you buy a single mattress for $1339 that lasts 20 years (Such as Latex) you save $2641.
Just a couple of things to think about… If you simply cannot spend that much then I would still suggest you find a lower cost alternative from the members of this site so you have a better chance at getting a mattress that will last 10 years.
Best Regards,
Jeff
I’d MUCH rather buy a new mattress every few years.
20 years same mattress is OCD and disgusting rolled into one.
Mattresses are not like power tools.
The title of your question was ‘… Want a link to good value foam …’ .
The responses you’re getting, IMHO, are because there isn’t what people on this website would consider ‘good value’ foam in your price range. There is, however, cheap foam in that price range. If you’re question is ‘where can you get the cheapest foam…’ I trust you can work that out.
I originally was thinking about getting a cheaper but comfortable mattress and just figuring I’d replace it more often, but everyone I know that has gone that route finds the mattresses are breaking down over mere months. I don’t want to replace it that often. It’s a pain in the neck.
Whats the bottom range for “legit” foam?
I just want a link.
I gave you that already.
[quote=“Need2PullTheTrigger” post=24773]Whats the bottom range for “legit” foam?
I just want a link.[/quote]
I don’t know the bottom range well, and again if you want just a single site then IKEA is easy, try able before you buy if you’re close to one, and open about their construction and materials. There are many reviews, and Phoenix has commented on the better / worse mattress options from them. Not all their mattresses are as good as each other.
Example link from this site:https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/budget-mattress-or-mattress-surgery
Example construction pictures:https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/ikea-mattress-cutaway-pictures
Is there like a 50000% markup on foam mattresses?
It’s funny to see the cross section photos.
That’s been stuff we’ve thrown in the garbage for many decades.
It’s bizarre to think people are now paying $500 for the stuff.