Thank you for your prompt response and for creating a new topic!
I actually reached out to the one lead I had, which was that my old mattress might have been the brand Natural Responses, which used the same flower logo. The Natural Responses line was discontinued, but it was owned by King Koil. I reached out to King Koil, and they confirmed that had sold the Cloud Nine mattresses. When I asked the materials their response was:
“Hi, the Cloud Nine was not a 100% latex mattress. It probably had latex in it, but many of our models have latex and/or latex like materials. The Vienna Euro Top has iNergex (an energetic foam that is highly breathable, cool and responsive. This pressure relieving foam conforms like memory foam, but is highly resilient like latex, giving you the best performance of both foam technologies.) and Gel Response Latex (an intelligent eco-friendly combination of pressure relieving, breathable latex with gel beads to provide optimal sleeping surface temperature). It’s a very high end mattress set.”
That being said, I don’t know much about King Koil mattresses, and it feels like they are just trying to sell me a new mattress without really evaluating what I wanted in the mattress. I think I need to move on to a new mattress brand.
I have thoroughly read all of your helpful information. I think I have settled on the Winkbeds luxury firm, even though I have no real idea what it will feel like, because, as you pointed out, I have changed and gained a higher BMI since I was 13 I think that my old mattress didn’t have springs, but I want to try the hybrid technology to get that extra support that I maybe didn’t have in my old bed. However, I am second guessing myself left and right so let me run this by you
About my sleep style-- I sleep in all three positions, and most recently have started sleeping twisted (I know in the long term this is terrible for my back) because I’m unable to find a comfortable sleep position. I feel like this must be due to my mattress wearing out. When I sleep on my stomach, I wake up with lower back pain even when I try to add a pillow under me to take the strain off. When I sleep on my side I wake up with my arm asleep and with joint pain my in shoulder, and always end up sleeping on my back. When I sleep on my back I don’t feel like I am getting the proper amount of air flow (I snore…) and my back sometimes ends up hurting. So I now sleep on my side with my legs raised to my chest in a semi-fetal position, but then twist my arm behind me so I’m not sleeping on it and putting pressure. What is strange is that my bed had become much more plush than it originally was, so I wondered why my arm was having more pain when the mattress is softer than normal. This makes it difficult for me to determine which firmness to chose, but I am a BMI of 38 and read through your instructions that I need more comfort layers with a higher density (weight) material. This is why I am concerned about Winkbeds because the durability hasn’t been tested long term and the 1.5" layer of low weight polyfoam (which I have read the many posts about this particular problem in this particular mattress) might be the biggest problem. I also have discussed with Winkbeds my preferences ad nauseam and they feel pretty certain that the Plus mattress, which has a more durable latex instead of the polyfoam layer, would be too severely firm for me especially since I weigh less than 300lbs. I am concerned about the durability of the Luxury Firm, though.
When I began this journey, I had visited several stores and the only bed that came close to the comfort & support that I was looking for was Mattress Firm’s BeautyRest Legend Winward. It was also a luxury firm pillow top with layers of foam and then innersprings. I tried the BeautyRest Black hybrid, but I did not like the feel as much as the pillowtop feel of the Winward, and the firm version of the BeautyRest Legend (i forgot the name) was too hard for me and I had immediate shoulder pain when laying on it. However, when I read the reviews of Simmons Beautyrests in general they don’t tend to have the durability that I’m looking for with a BMI of 38.
I then went to The Original Mattress Factory to try their Latex mattress. It felt comfortable, but it also felt like something was missing. It was probably the closest thing I felt towards my old mattress, but I wasn’t crazy about it (which I can’t really explain other than it didn’t feel great to me… I’m sorry). Also, the mattress was less than 11" deep, and I know for a heavier person I need something more substantial.
Next a friend suggested that I need to try Sleep Number because he swears by it. I really did not find any of the mattresses comfortable except for their most expensive one, the i8 model. This was probably because it had the most layers of foam before the airbed underneath. The one thing that I found interesting is that in my “profile” they suggested that I need a much plusher mattress than luxury firm because of the pressure points on my hips and back. My sleep number was 45, but I did notice that my hips sank much further below the rest of my body, and I didn’t think I was supported well. However, their technology showed me that at 45 was when I first started to not show red spots in the area of my back on their body monitoring system, which is why she said I need to sleep on a softer mattress. Something about all of that didn’t feel right, but I couldn’t put my finger on it.
So that led me to either a Saatva Luxury Firm or the Winkbeds Luxury Firm from all of the reviews and information available. For Saatva, I was concerned at the large number of reviews that discussed how its foam prematurely broke down and had noticeable impressions-- all issues of durability. But that being said, that is also the issue I’m worried about with Winkbeds because of that low weight/quality foam layer.
I called Winkbeds and mentioned these issues, and they said that the Winkbeds mattress should not have impressions as long as I rotate it according to their guidelines of every two weeks for the first three months and then every two months after. They promised that the Winkbeds should not be an issue if I follow these instructions. Well, my issue with this is that I am a single woman and the bed weighs almost 100 lbs. I think rotating it often is going to be quite a challenge because of the weight, the lack of handles, and the fact that I have a footboard that makes it more difficult to rotate. Many of the reviews mention that the mattress if heavy to rotate. So, then, when I looked at Saatva they said that the mattress only needs to be rotated twice a year (but that doesn’t make sense… why would I rotate it less than the Winkbeds mattress?).
At this rate, I ordered the Winkbeds mattress a week and a half ago, and it still hasn’t even shipped yet. I am maybe over-thinking all of this, but I am second guessing myself and considering canceling the whole order and starting from scratch by looking at other mattresses.
I would so very much appreciate your help, input and thoughts.
Thank you!
**side note: I think I should mention that budget is not a huge issue for me. I don’t really want to spend more than 4k, but most mattresses that seem to work for people are closer to the 2k region. That being said— if a mattress is the best thing for me out there then I’m willing to spend more.