Latex Mattresses

Hello,
Just joined after weeks of visiting = never joined a forum before but need this resource so much had to join.
Am looking for latex mattress for my daughter who is in med school so every minute of sleep is precious. She has chronic problems with allergies and has always had a swayback (lordosis?) as well as poor circulation in her feet (always cold). She has no time to look for a mattress; currently sleeps on a loaner = old, hard, with dips. While visiting, I tried to find a source of natural latex bedding but nothing of any quality in her area. On line I discovered this web site and found that you really couldn’t suggest much in the area = zip code 70119. So have been looking at online suppliers. Have read and reread about Ultimate Dreams but worry about synthetics. The Natural with the wool and 100% Dunlop comfort layer sounds possible but it still has the 1.5" poly-foam. It states the wool is the fire retardant so wondered: what is the fire retardant in the Plush and Eurotop? Still trying to avoid as much chemical load as possible. The major question is would she do better with an all natural product or is the practically priced Ultimate Dreams ok? I realise I don’t know if all the natural green hype is just wishful thinking, the hope that if one gets closer to natural that one will be healthier. She has no time for this search but knows it will obsess me until the resolution; then she will sleep and I’ll find another problem.
Thank you sooo much for all the time, effort and energy you put into this website, I have been recommending it to everybody I know who mentions sleep problems - even without joining.

Phoenix,

First, thanks so much for all the excellent information! Your website has helped me tremendously from going out of my mind (last time I bought a mattress 11/12 yrs ago it was an awful experience peppered with pushy sales people and vague information that made it difficult for me to compare mattresses). I’ve read a bunch of stuff online (mostly from this forum) and think I’ve decided on a mid-priced Latex Mattress.

Background for my question: I’m a 5’ 5", 170lb women who is a side sleeper and suffers from chronic pain due to a back injury to C5 and herniated discs at C7 & C8. On top of that I spend A LOT of time in bed from a sleep disorder that can see me spend on average 10-15 hrs in bed (yeah I know YIKES). I’m moving from Dallas to NYC and have no bed in the new apt in NYC so I need one asap. Also I like a bed more on the softer side but I will do what is best for my back. My budget is Under $1700. Ideally I’d like it under $1500. Queen sized as well.
So you see a mattress is a super important purchase for me. Having said that I can’t really look for mattresses in a “local” store til I get there. I was hoping you could tell me if the mattresses I listed below are on the right track for what I might need. If they are not, can you help me narrow down what I should concentrate on looking for.

From reading info here in the forums I was thinking about something like these (Prices are all Queen & include Box Spring):

Latex mattress from dixiefoam.com - 6" thick tri-zoned (medium at head & foot, firm in the midsec) latex foam rubber mattress is outstanding for pressure relief $1335 (inc BS) 
NaturaLatex Tranquil from NaturaWorld.com 1" Plant-based foam 2" Talalay latex (blended) 5" Plant-based foam $1399 (inc BS)  [url=http://www.naturaworld.com/mattress-tranquil]http://www.naturaworld.com/mattress-tranquil[/url]
Latex Supreme from Original Mattress Factory $1699 (inc BS)

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PS I also liked the Snowmass by the Denver Mattress Company $1349 (inc BS) but I don’t know if they will or how much it will cost to deliver to NYC https://www.furniturerow.com/DenverMattressCo/Snowmass-by-Denver-Mattress-Group/Snowmass-by-Denver-Mattress-Queen-Mattress-Set/prod130173/

Thanx for all the great info. My wife and I are tring to find a
New mattress with the adjustable base. We r going to buy a
split king for us and a queen for our son. We were close to
getting the icomfort for our son, he loves the way it feels and
We had desired on a tempurpedic. After read your mattress forum and
Looking we r not sure which bed to buy. We in Midland/Odessa
Of west Texas. We have a Denver Mattress and if we buy from
Them I think I would get the aspen for my wife,the snowmass for
Me and the aspen for our son. My wife is 130lb, I’m 250, & our son
Is around 70lbs, he is 11. Any thoughts and advice would be great.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Hi yardbirdjeepeer,

I think that Denver mattress is likely to be among if not the best value in your area and if you have tested these so you know they are suitable for your needs and preferences … they certainly have good value.

You’ve probably seen this but post #2 here has some of the better options in the Midland/Odessa TX area (and I made a few calls and updated it today in case you want to include some other possibilities in your research).

Phoenix

Thank you very much for your time!!

Hi katscan,

Sorry for the delay in this reply. I see I missed a couple of posts in this thread when I only replied to the last one :slight_smile:

Unfortunately there aren’t any factory direct manufacturers right in New Orleans and the closest ones are in Lafayette and Baton Rouge (see post #10 here). There are some “better” possibilities in New Orleans however including some which carry latex and they are in post #4 here.

I don’t think that allergies would present an issue with either latex or polyfoam for most people … although some people with MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) may do better to avoid polyfoam or at least let it air out for months before using it. In most cases though … polyfoam is so common all around us (furniture, car seats and almost everywhere else) that it would be unlikely that someone who was very sensitive to this wouldn’t know about it already. The polyfoam that is poured in North America is usually CertiPur certified for offgassing and would be “safe” for most people. Most latex including blended and natural Talalay are also Oeko-Tex certified which is an even higher level of certification for offgassing and harmful substances.

I believe they use an inherent rayon type fiber (a cellulosic fiber impregnated with silica) which is also very safe IMO. I’m not certain of this though so to make sure it would be a good idea to call them. There is more about various fire retardant methods at the bottom of this article. The Chicago Tribune published a very informative article on fire retardant chemicals recently which is very interesting reading.

For most people … synthetic foams if they are well made without the most harmful chemicals are generally fine in terms of safety but of course each person may have different sensitivities or different ideas of what they consider safe so each of us needs to answer “how safe is safe” on an individual basis … and hopefully with enough facts to make an informed decision. Some people for example would only consider a mattress that used natural latex, natural fibers, innersprings, or other natural or organic materials because they believe that for them any level of potential harm or synthetic substances are too much and they are willing to pay for a much larger safety margin (or in some cases just more natural or organic materials on principle alone) than others would consider necessary.

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I realise I don’t know if all the natural green hype is just wishful thinking, the hope that if one gets closer to natural that one will be healthier. She has no time for this search but knows it will obsess me until the resolution; then she will sleep and I’ll find another problem.
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There certainly is a lot of “greenwashing” in the industry and a lot of misinformation as well. For example most of the claims about the “plant based” or “soy based” polyfoams are greatly exaggerated when all they have done is replace a small portion (usually under 20%) of one of the two main petrochemical ingredients used to make polyfoam (the polyol portion) with a plant based substitute which has been chemically altered beyond recognition anyway. This means all of the other ingredients (the isocyanates) and 80% of the polyols are still petrochemical based and yet many people are calling this 'natural" foam.

Thanks for the kind words :slight_smile:

And just in case you haven’t seen this … the list of members of this site who specialize in working with customers online or “on the phone” are in post #21 here.

Phoenix

Hi Sepia,

You are one of two posts from last night in this thread that I missed when I only replied to the last one from today so sorry to take so long with this reply.

In terms of your choices …

While your own testing would be the best judge … I would think a separate support layer and a few inches (in the range of 2-3" depending on the core firmness) of softer latex would probably work a little better. A 6" mattress that is firm enough for good support may not have quite the pressure relief that you would need as a sensitive side sleeper.

NaturaLatex Tranquil from NaturaWorld.com 1" Plant-based foam 2" Talalay latex (blended) 5" Plant-based foam $1399 (inc BS)

This would be a good choice but it’s a little high in terms of price with only 2" of latex although it does have more wool than average which is a more expensive material and also has many benefits in a mattress (especially for breathability and temperature regulation). This would be “in the range” in terms of construction but it would also depend on the firmness/softness of the foams that were in it.

This would be similar in construction to the Dixie Foam CloudRest except the Cloudrest doesn’t have the wool but has a slightly thicker layer of latex and a higher quality base foam.

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This would probably also make a good quality/value choice and may be a little softer than the other two. I don’t think they ship their mattresses though (and if they did it would cost a lot) but I could be wrong here.

This would also make a good choice as well but again I don’t know if they ship and if they did it would cost a great deal. The Aspen would be a little softer and may be a little better choice as well given your circumstances.

Overall though it seems you have the right idea which is a firmer core for good support and then 2-3" of softer latex to provide the pressure relief that you will need and to fill in the “gaps” in your spinal curves.

Phoenix

Thanks so much Phoenix for taking to time to review my post and reply. I really appreciate it. I will be home in NYC in 2 days and will start my testing then. I’ll look in to something close to the Latex Supreme from Original Mattress Factory or the Aspen by the Denver Mattress Company. Are there any others you think I should look for?

Just a note to consider, I recently got the Snowmass mattress since it felt a slight bit firmer. I had been told that they tend to soften up a little as you sleep on them and I would agree, it does seem to feel just a little softer after I have been laying on it for over 10 to 15 minutes. Still has plenty of support and is very comfortable.

Hi Sepia,

The better choices I’m aware of in the NYC area are listed in post #2 here and a more categorized list with more detailed descriptions or many of them are in post #4 here.

Neither Original mattress or Denver mattress are close to NYC and shipping costs would likely be prohibitive so I would focus either on local choices (particularly the last group of 5 on the NJ list, 3 of which are close to you) or on better manufacturers that specialize in working with customers online or on the phone (and some of the best in the country of this type and that are recommended members here are listed in post #21 here).

Phoenix

Hello Phoenix
Thank you so much for your detailed response. It is a new experience for me to put my questions out on a forum and get personal attention!
To be more specific about my daughter’s sleep profile: 5’10", 155 lbs, side sleeper mostly, lordosis with some back issues, likes “plush” feel = not too soft but definitely not very firm. She is also a health conscious, very “natural products” customer. Sounds like good support layer and then not sure what for comfort. She likes the idea of the wool in cover but you mention that wool can “isolate from the response of latex” and over time will compact and feel firmer. She also has never slept on latex.
Given her location the on line sources are the best. She really doesn’t have time to test mattresses that aren’t even ones she would get. So she is trusting that we find the right combination. She is also a student so doesn’t feel this has to be the mattress that will last forever (10 -20 yrs) but find her a comfortable healthy bed now that lasts 5-6 yrs. My sister just got a mattress from Gardiner in MA but that more of an investment.
This makes the Dreamfoam natural with 100% natural dunlap and the wool sound good, although the talalay comfort layer might be softer as one of your members asked if they put the wool with it. As the dunlap is firmer over all, does it come in different ILD to affect the feel or is it in the 1-10 scale?
Also the AZ mattress with the zones sounds interesting but maybe too difficult to design.
Actually, I was raised on a dunlap “rubber” mattress in the northeast and tried for years to find them but they seemed to have disappeared from the market. I didn’t find them again until the internet. A friend just got a Sonoroll “latex” but I couldn’t any specifics - have you heard of it?
Amazon also lists “Eco-lux” and “Tranquility” mattresses, have you reviewed them?
Thank you for your help.

Hi katscan,

Wool is a great material to have in the quilting of your mattress but like every other choice it has pros and cons. It is very breathable and temperature regulating and in thinner layers and as part of a stretch knit cover can have less effect on the feel of the latex below it but in thicker layers you will feel more of the wool and less of the latex. A wool topper or mattress protector or mattress pad can also be added to a latex mattress. In other words … it is not a matter of better or worse but more about personal preferences and differences. The “feel” of wool is not better or worse than the feel of latex … just different and one will affect the other.

If I was adding a thicker wool layer though (vs a thinner one in the quilting) … I would tend to add it as a topper or mattress pad rather than in the quilting of the mattress. A thicker wool layer will develop some impressions in it which is part of how wool responds but impressions in wool are not the same as impressions in polyfoam (which means the polyfoam is softening and breaking down). A separate wool topper or mattress pad also allows you to replace it without replacing the whole mattress should that be necessary. It’s really a matter of degree and how well any combination of materials fits your needs and preferences. Both wool and latex are premium materials in a mattress or sleeping system and the trick is to make sure that any combination you use fits your needs and preferences.

While “good” latex is a great quality material … I would never recommend sleeping on a mattress that used materials that someone wasn’t at least generally familiar with. Not everyone likes the feel of latex or any other material and with an online purchase I strongly recommend some local testing as a guideline. Any good quality mattress should last 5-6 years if it is well matched to the person and uses good quality materials … especially in the upper layers which tends to be the weak link of a mattress.

Each manufacturer is very familiar with the combination of components in their mattresses and is the best place to get more specific recommendations about the mattresses they make. They have “standard” recommendation for all the mattresses they make based on their knowledge of every component and layer (every layer and component affects every other layer and component in the mattress), “averages”, and feedback from their customer base along with any local testing that may indicate personal preferences. The 1 - 10 scale with the Dreamfoam is based on different ILD’s in the latex comfort layer (both Dunlop and Talalay have different firmness levels) but they use the scale because it is easier for consumers to understand and relate to than ILD numbers which for most consumers have little meaning.

Both Dunlop and Talalay come in a range of firmness choices so either one could be softer or firmer but in the same ILD … Dunlop will tend to feel a little firmer than Talalay. Each person also has a different “value equation” (the things that are more or less important) but the Dunlop would be a good choice for those who like the feel of Dunlop and the temperature regulation and other benefits of wool in the quilting. Just as an example … I personally prefer Talalay but my daughter bought a mattress in the last couple of days and after testing both she preferred the feel of Dunlop which is what she purchased after testing both.

Most manufacturers would be doing the “designing” based on your statistics and any feedback you provide so the designing is fairly simple and is based on their knowledge and experience. The best suggestion is to talk with the manufacturer about any online mattress you are considering because this is the only way to get a sense of how well their particular design will “fit” your needs and preferences and the various options you may have. Arizona Premium for example would have 3 basic firmness choices (in their “standard” 6" + 2" mattress) which is soft, medium, and firm so there isn’t a lot of “designing” involved although they of course have other options in terms of type of latex and thicker comfort layers as well.

If the Sonorall is this one … then it doesn’t provide any information about what is in it except to say that it includes 1" of Celsion. The rest of the materials are unknown so there is no way to make any meaningful comments about it.
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The Eco-Lux is probably a Boyd mattress and some of these have latex and some have what they call “engineered latex” which is polyfoam and isn’t latex at all. If you provide a link to the mattresses you are curious about (to save me guessing which ones you mean or searching for them by model name which may lead to different mattresses) I’d certainly be happy to give you some brief comments if it includes (or I know) the layering of the mattress.

Phoenix

Hi again Phoenix,
Great work you are doing on here. I’ve been reading and trying to educate myself more since last I posted. I’m finally in a new apartment and can have a mattress delivered but I have some more questions.
I tried searching but I couldn’t find an answer to “What is the difference between a mattress that has innersprings/coils on the bottom with latex on top vs an all latex mattress?” I’m guessing the all latex mattress is softer? Being a side sleeper I want soft but having UPPER chronic back pain I don’t know if innersprings/coils with latex on top would be better? I have yet to get to the mattress stores around NYC yet b/c of moving and Hurricane Sandy but the answer to the above question will determine if I got to DixieFoam or RoomandBoard.
Secondly, if I go the all latex mattress route it seems there are some good online ones you pointed to in another post. The ones I liked best are:
Natural Talalay Latex Mattress w/ Organic Cotton Cover - $1395
9" All Natural Talalay Latex - $1390
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What do you think of these choices compare to the DixieFoam all Latex Mattress ($1140 Queen)?

PS I saw a post where you admonished a troll trying to imply you get referral money. I think you handled it well and I do hope that very soon you can turn this into a profit where you can hire people to do some of the work (like webmaster) so you can concentrate on giving the mattress advise you are so good at and take a little time with your family.

Hi Sepia,

Both innersprings and a firmer latex core can be used as a support layer and each has very “different” characteristics but besides the more obvious ones the most important differences are the ones you can feel and that you personally prefer. Both of them come in softer or firmer versions and in many different designs so an innerspring could be firmer than a latex core or the other way around depending on the specifics of the components you are comparing. There is more about the 4 main types of innersprings in this article and in post #10 here and more detailed information about innersprings vs latex support cores in post #2 here and more about the different types and blends of latex in this article and in post #6 here.

Some of the more technical differences include …

Innersprings have a more “flat line” response curve than latex (see the graph here) but because there are many types of innersprings with different response curves this doesn’t always hold true and there are also different types of latex which would also have different response curves.

Innersprings absorb less energy than latex which means they are more resilient. They “push back” more strongly than latex in other words but this is not the same as softness … only about how much of the energy that is used to compress them is lost (or how high a ball will bounce when it’s dropped on them).

Latex has a similar or higher compression modulus than most innerspring spring rates and either gets firmer with deeper compression at a similar rate as an innerspring (Talalay) or at a faster rate than an innerspring (Dunlop) which means it can be more “supportive”.

Different innersprings have widely different abilities to take on the shape of the body (depending on the number of coils and how independently they function) while latex is much more “point elastic” than any of them because it can flex in each part of the core with less effect on the area around it than an innerspring.

In general latex will be more motion isolating than an innerspring.

Firmer latex will be more durable than an innerspring but neither of them would tend to be the weak link of a mattress.

Innersprings have more “air” in them so they would be more breathable than latex even though latex is the most breathable of the foam materials but the deeper layers of a mattress also have less effect on the ventilation and temperature of a mattress than the comfort layers.

Most latex is more expensive than most innersprings.

They “feel” very different with innersprings being more “bouncy” or “springy” than latex (although latex has more “spring” than other foam types).

There are many other more technical differences but the most important differences are the ones you can feel. Either of them can make a good choice for a support layer and in the end it really boils down to which one you tend to prefer. Both of them can provide good/support alignment. There are so many varieties of both that it’s not really possible to make more specific comparisons outside of some of the more obvious and more “generic” differences that I’ve mentioned.

Making more generalized assessments of a mattress only based on one component doesn’t take into account that all the layers in a mattress work together and will affect its feel and performance so either one could be part of a mattress that provides you with your pressure relief and alignment/support needs. Assuming that all the materials in a mattress are high quality … everything boils down to which mattress design works best for the two basic functions of a mattress.

I think that all of these could make very good choices. Once you have narrowed your list down to choices between “good and good” … my job is done and it’s time for me to “step out of the way” so you can decide on which is best based on your conversations with each manufacturer, your own personal risk tolerance (online is “riskier” than local), and the other parts of your “value equation” (see post #46 here) that are most important to you. I would never make a “final decision” for anyone else because that’s when it needs to be up to your own unique preferences and what is more or less important to you.

The good news is that there are no “bad” choices in your list and your own thoughts and confidence about which will best “match” what you need and prefer is the only real way to choose between them. I know from personal experience how difficult it can be to “eliminate” a great choice but it has to be done (unless you buy more than one mattress ;))

Thanks for the thoughts … and it’s nice to see that the site is reaching a place where I can “begin to breathe” and there are a lot of things that I have planned in the next year or two that will increase the scope and helpfulness of the site. :slight_smile:

Phoenix

OK so I finally out a mattress and have had it for a few weeks. So I figured I would report in as well as ask some questions.

I decided on the Rocky Mountain Talalay Latex Mattress with 16 IDL top layer over firm (35 IDL I think) bottom layer.

Customer Service of Rocky Mountain Mattress before I got the mattress was not good. They didn’t/couldn’t tell me where the mattress was or when it would be delivered. When it did finally get delivered the delivery guys left it just laying outside my apt (inside the gate but still on the outside street part of apt building). Yes they left a $1300-1400 purchase just laying around. I don’t work and am home all the time so luckily I saw it very soon after it was delivered when I took my dog out (no they didn’t ring the door bell).

The Mattress itself is comfortable and uncomfortable and this is where I need your help. When first lying on the mattress it is really comfortable & soft and has a firm but somewhat bouncy feel that you described. All those things I love about it. The problem occurs after a night of sleeping. I wake up with pain :(. What kind of pain? Pain in my lower back (which hasn’t been a problem for me) and added pain in my upper back (which is always a problem for me). Pain in my shoulder and in my hip. I like a soft mattress but is a soft mattress making it painful? Or is the mattress too firm so that it is causing me pain because my spine isn’t aligned right or my hip doesn’t sink in enough?

Before I return the mattress I want to know what I might do to remedy this problem. Right now the mattress is on a wood platform with no foundation. Should I get one of the foundations you talked about here: Post #1
Or should I get an overlay such as latex or memory foam?
Or should I do both?
I realize that those are different takes but I’m not sure exactly what to do?

PS Customer Service since I have the mattress has been good as they are willing to work with me whether I return it or give me a price break on an overlay if that is what I decide.

Hi Sepia,

It would be helpful to know your height/weight information and your sleeping positions but based on the construction of the mattress, your symptoms, and on the fact that you have a 2" layer of very soft latex in the comfort layer over a fairly firm support layer … I would suspect that you need a little more thickness in the comfort layers and that would likely solve the shoulder and hip discomfort (from going through the soft latex into the firmer latex below it) and it may well solve the lower back issues which could be coming from twisting away from pressure or from not having enough thickness in your comfort layer to fully fill in the lumbar gap in the small of your back.

Even though the top layer is soft … this would be more of a firm mattress because you are so close to the firmer layers and the upper layers are fairly thin and soft which lets you “go through” them and feel more of the firmness underneath them.

The first step is always to give yourself some time to adjust to a new mattress so that you aren’t making changes too quickly (and your body doesn’t have enough time to catch up to the changes in your sleeping surface).

Outside of that … I don’t think a different foundation would help much (you are already on a firm base on a wood platform and a tension adjustable base would likely only have a smaller effect because you would have 8" of latex over it) but this would likely be a situation where a topper would have very good odds of solving the issues you are facing.

Phoenix

THANKS SO MUCH PHOENIX! You have been such a help and I’ve recommended your website to several people including my doctor.
My height is 5’ 4 1/2"
My Weight is 168 lbs (yes I’m a vein woman and couldn’t put 170lbs cause those 2 lbs mean something :stuck_out_tongue: )
My sleeping position is side sleeper
I have a T5 Fracture as well as herniation at T7 & T8 (just added this info in case that is helpful?) so I have upper back pain mostly.
I’ve been sleeping on the Mattress for 2 1/2 weeks (not sure if that is enough time)

Re Comfort Layer
Do you think 2" comfort layer is enough? Or should I go for 3"? or 4"?
And I should continue with the latex re the comfort layer?
Should I keep with Talalay latex for the layer or Dunlop latex or a blend latex?

OR

Should I just return it and get a mattress that has a larger comfort layer (as in larger than 2" of soft latex)?

Thanks for any other info you can impart.

Hi Sepia,

Sorry to take so long to reply to this … I was up till about 5:00 AM last nigh/this morning and for some reason I skipped over your post (and a couple of others).

This would depend on many factors including your body shape, overall health condition (in terms of muscle tone etc), and sensitivity to pressure as well as the combination of the firmness of the topper and the firmness of the base layers below it.

In general terms a 3" - 4" comfort layer (what is in the mattress along with ny topper combined) would be in the average range and since your comfort layer is quite soft you may need something on the thicker end of this range to help isolate you from the firmness of the base layer.

I would use the topper guidelines in post #8 here along with post #4 here to help you decide how much extra thickness/softness you may need.

This is really a matter of personal preference. If you prefer the feel and performance of latex vs memory foam (the two most common topper materials) then I would go in this direction. With a mix of the two materials … you would have a combination of the feel and performance of both which some may like and others not so much.

Another option if you want to experiment a bit with a “cheap” topper (to see if it moves you in the right direction) before deciding on a higher quality more permanent replacement is in post #16 here (this is polyfoam which is a “fast response” material).

I would tend towards fine tuning what I had because its a clear reference point (and to save the expense and hassle of a return) if that was possible but this is also a personal decision of course and would depend on how you feel about one option vs the other. Keep in mind that if you order a mattress with a different combination of materials that it may also need some fine tuning because unless you have actually tested it … you won’t know for certain that the specific combination of layers is what you need and prefer.

Hope this helps.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix,

I just found this thread. I’ve been looking for a full latex mattress and came across Denver Mattress Snowmass. I’m a side sleeper and I weigh 190. I’ve tried it for 30 minutes and its felt comfortable. But because it’s being discontinued, it’s being sold as a final sale which of course means if I don’t like it, I can’t return it. It’s selling for 30% off the $1349 price for the queen set. I offered 50% off since I’m taking a big risk in not being able to return it. The sales guy said he’s only authorized to go down to 40% off which would make it $875 including tax! That sounds like a great deal. Then he suggested I return tomorrow and talk to the manager about the 50% discount, which would be $675 plus tax. I think $875 is great, but I don’t feel so good about not being able to return it in case it doesn’t fit my needs. As Bobfrog stated earlier, it’s a 2" 24 ILD Talalay comfort layer with a 6" 32 ILD Talalay core and 1" foam padding. Being a side sleeper and weighing 190 lbs, what’s your opinion on these specs for someone like me? I did find it comfortable and while I’ve tried others and this has been the best feel. I think I"m crazy to pass up on this mattress. I suffer from allergies and latex is the way to go for me. But I’m wondering if I should save up my money for another mattress out there that would have better specs for my weight and side sleeping preference. I’m new to the latex mattress and would like your opinon on this. Thank you so very much.

Although the discount sounds very tempting I would recommend against it. When we bought the Snowmass it was wonderful for about the first 3 to 4 weeks. My only complaint was that it was so comfortable I didn’t want to get out of bed and slept till about 9:00 most mornings. However it did start to soften up quite a bit to the point of feeling a lot of aches and pains in the morning. It also felt somewhat hot at night in the bed. My wife and I finally couldn’t sleep on it and went back to our old very hard bed with a mattress topper. I called Denver Mattress and they were very nice, and are offering us an exchange for another mattress.
I can’t say what your experience will be like with the mattress, but I think I would like to have the insurance of being able to return it if I wasn’t happy. Better to spend the extra money on a chance to change it than being stuck with something that wasn’t right. When I was researching this I did contact an online company that sent the latex mattress pieces separately that you could then put together into a zip up mattress cover when you received them. This gave you the opportunity of seeing the ingredients (knowing what is going into the mattress) and changing the density to suit your needs. I was never quite sure about the layers of latex and 1.8lb density standard foam in the Snowmass since it did get so much softer over the breakin period. From what I had read latex was not supposed to do this, so I am still concerned about this hybrid combination, which may be why they are discontinuing the mattress or as they say reconfiguring it.
Good luck.