Latex? Memory Foam? Something else? Side and Back Sleeper

I am back into the mattress shopping rabbit hole and was hoping for some advice or recommendations from the mattress oracles at TMU.

My history: I am a side/back sleeper and I’ve slept on different innerspring mattresses until 2024 when I bought a queen sleeponlatex medium. Unfortunately, I never slept well on it, even with their 3inch soft topper. It felt too firm, so I returned it and kept the topper. I went back to my full innerspring for awhile (without the SOL topper because of mismatching size) until one night I couldn’t sleep. I went ahead and folded my 3 inch SOL topper in half and threw it on my couch.

I’ve slept on that couch setup now for 6 months or so and sleep pretty well. I don’t wake up with pain and generally sleep through the night. Rarely, I’ll have heat retention issues that wake me up, but I think that’s more of a combination of low quality bedding and my ramshackle sleep set up (I have a cozypure bedding set that I love, but not using right now because it doesn’t fit the setup)

I didn’t intend to go this long between my SOL and my next mattress, but you know, life happens.

I have been looking into either a new memory foam or latex mattress (or a hybrid maybe?). My conclusions I’ve come to are that:

  1. I like the idea of memory foam, but I am turned off by heat retention, durability (short lifetime before sinking spots), and general alignment / support. I’ve read many personal accounts on here and elsewhere that memory foam feels great when you first lay on it for the night, but it’s not uncommon to wake up after a few hours or the next day with pain, whether that be from the inability to switch positions, or waking often from overheating.
  2. I like the idea of latex for it’s durability and a more natural sleeping material. The idea that memory foam is notorious for off gassing, often much longer than the initial break-in period, is unpleasant. The issue with latex is it’s a very different feel. Like I said, I slept on the SOL medium dunlop and it was too firm for me. If I did try another latex mattress, I assume it’s best to try a talalay or talalay hybrid? I like the idea of the cradling of memory foam feeling and sleeping in a cloud, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect latex to ever really feel like that, right?

Is there a mattress type I should look into that fits the durable cool latex but also soft and cradling support like memory foam? I like the idea of laying down and feeling immediately comfortable.

At this point I feel like I am rambling, so I’ll end it here. If there’s anything I can clarify, please ask away. Thanks so much for any thoughts or guidance.

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If your in the midatlantic, we have a showroom in NJ and have 7 mattresses where we use Talalay Latex if you wanted to try it and feel the difference.

Reach out if you had any additional questions.

-James

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I am also a fan of innerspring mattresses and have been sleeping on one for 8 years. But just recently, it finally gave out, so I had to get a new mattress.
The shopping process was really time-consuming and kinda annoying, but I finally decided on a medium-firm hybrid mattress, because I kept seeing that combination sleepers like me usually do well with medium-firm mattresses, and that hybrid mattresses are the best of both worlds?
The mattress hasn’t arrived yet, so I don’t know how it feels. Hopefully, I made the right choice. :smiling_face_with_tear:

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Which one did you get?

Also curious about latex’s ability to mimic the “cloud” like experience of being hugged by memory foam, or the buoyancy of a great layer of coils. Being a more naturally durable and breathable material than either, I wanna go for it! But I’m worried I’m sacrificing those ineffable comfort experiences provided by the other materials. Maybe that’s just the price you pay for long-term spinal alignment?

Anyone have experience with high quality latex builds that made you never look back at memory foam or springs?

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A better way I’ve realized to comprehend the way different materials work, is to think about what exactly the material is as it is. In the same way you make a sandwich you’re considering how every ingredient will affect the overall flavor, mattresses are like that. For example springs are equally reactive to your input, though not buoyant like latex. So if you want the feel of your mattress to be more solid, yet at whatever desired firmness, you pick springs.

If you want to feel like you’re floating more, and enjoy the buoyant reactivity, latex is what you want more of.

If you enjoy being settled in to your mattress, as in feeling like you’re being enveloped and slowed down for the night, choose a more memory foam oriented build.

If you like more of a standard feel, just like any standard foam could offer, pick polyfoam.

Each of these materials, depending on the % of the makeup that each one composes, decides the overall feel of the mattress.

As well, whichever layer you have closer to your body, that’s the one that you will feel the most “up front” and then the feel of the rest of the bed will combine with that and you’ll get the end result.

When it comes to latex, I like to use it, but to also manage its buoyancy either with the cover, or another layer of foam like memory foam underneath or on top of it, depending on what type of feel youd like.

I know this seems complicated but it’s actually really simple once put all together. When you understand how each layer and material works exactly you get a great comprehension of how every method of composition will create the end feel.

Hi Katman333,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground, we are happy you have become a part of the community and thank you for your question.

When one thinks of a “cloud-like” experience, I think what we are really imagining is a feeling of weightlessness, little to no pressure, very little pushback, and nothing that makes you feel restricted or held in place. The closest thing most of us will ever experience to that is probably floating in microgravity like an astronaut. Yuri Gagarin, a Russian cosmonaut, was the first human to experience sustained weightlessness when he orbited the earth in 1961, and he spent roughly 89 minutes in that condition.

Now obviously I’m not suggesting that any mattress is going to make you float around the bedroom! Nor am I suggesting you hitch a ride on Spacex. But there are mattress materials and combinations of materials that can give you some of the sensations we associate with that experience. The interesting thing about latex is that it can approach that feeling without having to become completely passive. A properly designed latex comfort layer can allow your heavier areas to sink in progressively, relieving pressure, while the elasticity of the material provides enough resilience to keep you from feeling trapped in the mattress. That’s a very different sensation from memory foam, where the “hug” comes largely from slow response and contouring around your body. Latex is more of a “float on the surface while being gently cradled” kind of experience.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that latex isn’t really trying to duplicate the feel of memory foam or coils. Its elasticity is what gives it that buoyant quality, and because it recovers almost immediately, you get pressure relief without the “stuck in the mattress” feeling that some memory foams can have. Something my wife absolutely hated, when I chose a Tempurpedic 3" Viscoelastic memory foam topper on one of our previous mattresses.

A good softer Talalay layer can have a surprisingly plush, cloud-like surface feel, but underneath that you’re still getting progressive resistance as the material compresses. That’s a big part of why latex can feel both soft and supportive at the same time. The foam is doing more of the work progressively as you sink into it rather than simply bottoming out against a firmer layer.

Mechanically, there is a pretty good reason why a well-designed latex build can feel so different from a typical all-foam mattress. Latex has a very high resilience/elasticity compared to memory foam, so it returns energy rather than absorbing most of it. That gives you some of the lively, buoyant sensation people associate with good coils, while the continuous surface of the latex gives you pressure relief that you don’t necessarily get from a spring unit alone. And because latex is generally more breathable and durable, you’re not necessarily trading those “ineffable” comfort qualities for longevity, you can actually build around them. The trick is really in the ILD/firmness and layer thicknesses rather than simply saying “latex = good.” A 2" soft layer over a firmer support core is going to behave very differently from a thick slab of relatively firm latex. That’s where I think the fun is with latex, you can tune the feel instead of accepting whatever the manufacturer decided was “plush.” My current topper is a 3" Talalay Latex with a 36-38 ILD. I can tell you, it is not a cloud like experience. It is “a sleep on top of the mattress” experience, but for context, it is resting on top of a Brooklyn Bedding Plank Luxe (firmer side) mattress. It is all a matter of perspective. (We like the Plank Luxe, by the way, without any topper, but I like testing every topper I can get my hands on, so I can offer first hand experience.)

Latex is not the only material that can provide this sensation. For a mere $800,000 give or take, you can experience a weightless feel mattress, perhaps like no other. The Hastens Grand Vividus, and for those on more of a budget, the 2000T, is only $90,000 for a king.

When I actually laid down on the Hastens Grand Vividus and the 2000T, that textbook explanation of layering becomes alarmingly clear, both the 2000T and the Grand Vividus felt incredibly plush, and it was like stepping into an entirely different dimension of weightlessness. Instead of feeling the mattress push back against my hips and shoulders like a standard bed, it felt like the hand-teased horsetail hair and triple-pocket springs were dynamically melting away every single ounce of my body weight. I told Issac, the person training me on the Hastens experience, that I wanted to test the firmest version they offered. He explained Hastens do not work that way, and he was correct. He had me lie on what they considered a medium firmness. There wasnt a single stiff spot or pressure point because everything is held together by flexible hand-stitching rather than rigid glue, making the mattress breathe and move with me in absolute silence. It honestly didnt even feel like I was resting on a physical surface, the climate-regulating wool and cotton layers kept me so perfectly cool that it genuinely felt like I was just suspended in mid-air on a temperature-neutral cloud.

Sorry to drift off on a bit of a tangent, but sometimes putting things into perspective can help us see that there is more than one way to arrive at a solution.

My advice… just think, if you skipped that $8 Starbucks coffee on your way to work every day, it would only take about 418 years to save enough for the Grand Vividus and a mere 43 years to save enough for that $90,000 King-size 2000T. So really, what’s the problem? :joy: :rofl:

All the Best,

Maverick

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Have you considered a European style bed and mattress?
One thing we noticed in Canada and the USA is that a lot is made of these thick mattresses (10inch plus). This is very foreign to us European foreigners (no pun intended). In Europe we put a lot of value in the foundation under your mattress. Generally you will have pretensioned fixed slats or (shameless plug) movable slats. The issue in North America that I see is that a lot of mattresses are designed for the average person with little room for adjustment and most things get put on a cheap box spring.
But once you get the foundation right, then you do not need such a thick mattress which with latex can get pretty stiff otherwise. But if you can get away with, for example our mattress, a 4-6in latex mattresses and a proper base then you may find latex more comfortable.

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