Looking for a new firm supportive mattress for someone with back spasms

Long story short, the wife and I are searching for a new mattress.

we’ve had the original “The Plank” from Brooklyn Bedding for going on 8 years, and it’s finally at the last gasps. even on the firmest 10/10 side.

our backstory is thus. I suffered a catastrophic back injury to my lower back (L5/S0 discs) and suffer from back spasms at night from it never healing properly (even after years of physical therapy. I counteract them with good old edibles and a firm mattress.

the wife has a back injury, but not AS bad. just annoying. we’re both 6 foot to 6 foot 1 inches (me the taller of the two) and weight about 216-225 each. Not obese, but definitely bigger and larger than a slim 5 foot 8 athlete or something.

anyways, the Plank was solid for us, but it was also during the height of my struggling with my lower back and it wasn’t till the last 2.5 years that I got my back dialed in. but at that point we were 5 years into our mattress so it wasn’t new and plushy at that point (and the Plank only lasts 6-7 years even by BB’s site, which is always an overestimation).

I found at the beginning the super hard side a LITTLE too hard, while the wife found it just right. And of course the softer side was a teensy bit too soft for her, and just perfect for me. over time (about 2-3 years into it) she found both sides too soft, and I found the soft side too soft, and the harder side perfectly (meaning it had broken in enough to where the super hard side was just soft enough for me and too much for her). Anwyays, looking at getting a new mattress and I’m sort of gun shy on what to get.

was looking at the Plank again, maybe getting two twin Xl’s for a split king and I could live on the soft side until it broke in, then flip it, while she could live ONLY on the hardest side. But not sure as we felt the Plank was great for what it was, but also didn’t last as long as feel as great as it could have been for both of it.

also looking at the Engineered Sleep Hybrid Classic extra firm, as that looks like it would be a double sided version of the hardest layer of the plank (both the plank and the extra firm list themselves as 10/10 on the firmness scale

another option I’ve HEARD of, is going Latex, as I hear it lasts a butt load of time, but also can be VERY supportive, which is what our backs desperately need. good support that isn’t too hard, but also won’t let us sink and get pain. But at the same time a full Latex mattress gets pricey fast, and I don’t want to blow $2500 or more just to find out it sucks after 6 months for our use. whatever we use, I’m gearing towards a Terra foundation, as I hear they’re fantastic for just about any type of mattress and are built for long term reuse with other mattresses.

any other options I should be looking at? I live in Tucson, AZ, which supposedly is pretty close to some decent mattress places, so I was just hoping someone might read between the lines of what we’re describing and hopefully point us in the right direction.

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Go to SleepEZ!

Id consider Back Science too!

John

There’s a new firm king for Brooklyn bedding. Check out the thermobalance LX firm. It’ll have that same good support as the plank, but a little more cushion support.

I like the original or the LX moreso than the elite versions because I don’t see much to justify the price difference. The non elite versions have spring edge support and zoning while the elite has the same firmness springs all the way across with a zoned layer of foam on top of the springs.

Really think you’d like the thermobalance LX.

Otherwise, mattresses.net has their hybrid with the combizone springs, that’s a firm spring base. My guess is it’s probably better to do a layer of medium Dunlop if you were to pick that. Unless you want FIRM firm, then 3" of firm talalay would work.

There are many options. Like Billy said the back science number 1 for a firm feel or number 2 for a luxury firm feel would also work.

excuse me for being dumb, but isn’t the Thermobalance LX only a 7/10 on the firmness scale??? vs. the 9 or 10 (depending on which side of the mattress) that the Plank was?

Well it’s got the same level of support, just a little more cushioning on top. If you like a hard surface then you’d definitely want something different.

that’s something I’ll have to look into. So far the only mattresses that I’ve done well on are hard surfaces. but I’m not sure if that’s because of the level of support, or the firmness. the Plank was my first researched mattress that wasn’t a “lets buy whatever’s at costco” OR before my major back injury so I don’t have a massive frame of reference.

my childhood bed was an Ethan Allen mattress that was so firm that everybody who came over complained about it, but I slept like a baby. and the Plank I slept well on …it was a bit too firm at first, but It softened to the point the 9/10 side (the softer side) was not supportive enough REAL fast. So again, I’m not sure if it’s the firmness or how much internal support is the culprit here.

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In that case you should look at the plank luxe. I don’t think it was around when you got your plank original. The original has a foam base, which regardless of the density on average foam is less durable than pocket springs. The luxe uses 13.5g springs the same as the thermobalance but it’ll have that same familiar firm surface. If you want a little more pressure relief/cushioning on top then the thermobalance LX firm

thanks for the info. I’ll definitely go in and check it out as I live 20 minutes from a Brooklyn Bedding showroom. You’re right, the Luxe wasn’t out when I got my original Plank back at the beginning of 2019.

the ONLY question I have is that I’ve read on reddit that the luxe is not AS firm as the regular plank. but hopefully the extra support from the coils is good.

I will also test drive the thermobalance as who knows, I may really like it. probably going to go in an hour to the store to check them out and pick the salesman’s mind.

likely will grab the Terra base as soon as I decide which mattress to get

lastlly. I use a mattress wedge between my base and my mattress to elevate the head (I have severe LPR, which is an enhanced form of GERD and I have to elevate the head of the bed to keep from refluxing at night)

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I’ll post the builds here and explain why each feels the way it does.

First of all, the original plank:

This is a core of firm base foam, with one side having only the quilted cover, and the other having another layer of foam to provide some softness. Foam bases feel more static and on top than springs do on average. Meaning it’s less conforming.

Now the plank luxe:

The extra firm side has one layer of foam on top of the springs with the quilted cover, and the firm side has that same layer of foam, with 1.5" and 1" of foam quilted into the cover on the other side. More foam makes it a little softer even though they use firm foam.

Springs always give a little more of a dynamic feel than base foam. Since even though they might be firm they are individually compressing under your weight. Which often means in general they give a more conforming feel even at high firmness.

Here’s the thermobalance LX firm:

Quilt layers:

The cover is made with TPM cooling technology

The green layer of foam in the top is their new cooling thermophase foam that disperses heat through wax infusion.

Then you have 2 more layers of soft foam quilted into the top. This does put some softness on top, but because it’s quilted in, it does not cause deep sinkage. That’s just there to give the traditional soft pillowtop feel.

The yellow layer is firm latex, the blue is a medium firmness memory foam, and then the white layer underneath is a firm base pad. This modifies the interaction between the sleeper and the springs, and spreads out the pressure against them. Which activates more of the springs at the same time giving them a firmer feel. The springs have zoning with edge support, and firm springs where more support is needed.

How it feels ultimately is soft and pressure relieving on top, while still being an on top of the bed experience.

It’s really helpful to understand why things are doing what they’re doing.

Oh and since you have GERD you might want to look at the full length foam wedge from mattressfoundations.com

Either that or the incline sleep adjustable base.

This has high quality wood slats spaced close together and you can adjust the amount of incline. Typically foam wedges just at the head of the bed can make it uncomfortable to sleep on your side, but with the full bed inclined you can side sleep on your left side, which is the best side for acid reflux and digestion.

dang, thanks for the info dump. looking at those options (just from reading and not feeling) the Plank Luxe is looking really good.

as for the base… I already have a full length mattress wedge under my regular plank (the big Avana full length one with a 7 inch rise at the head).

I am considering the Incline 100 base from Mattress Foundation as well, but not sure if I wanna go that crazy as I’m still not sure how well the incline has helped (I have LPR instead of GERD and it’s a weird disease that isn’t always acting like gerd), so I may go back to flat laying. which is why I went with the foam mattress elevator

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Oh, gotcha. I went back to flat after my girlfriend and I were constantly pulling ourselves back up the bed.

Hi wormraper,

My stories are never short, so I apologize :wink: in advance. :wink: :yawning_face:

If you happen to come across any of my posts, you might notice that we have been sleeping on the Plank Luxe for about 4 years now. There is a long back story on how I ended up choosing it (and happy to share how we decided on a 1400 bed vs a 14k one), but it ultimately became our final choice, sight unseen.

For reference as it is import to notate this when speaking about mattresses, I am 6’ and around 220 lbs. I had actually grown to over 250 lbs. when we bought the PL. My wife is 5’4" and 135 lbs. Both start on our back 20% and end up on our side 80%, although I have been know to wake up on my stomach on some rare occasions.

From the first time after setting it up, and I laid on the Plank Luxe (PL), it was as supportive and comfortable as anything I had tested up to that point. It was definitely and AHHH moment. Some of the legacy brands felt great in the stores, and Aireloom felt fantastic, but their modern reputation for durability had been drifting south. Shifman was an easy yes for me even at $14K, and there really weren’t any downsides other than the price, but I was willing to go there, if the competitive side of me did not reveal itself. The ad’s for the Plank being touted as the firmest mattress on the market, simply made me want to try it.

Now that I test quite a mattresses on a somewhat regular basis, I have a Thermobalance Elite Firm, Titan Plus Elite, GlacierSleep Apex, another Brooklyn Bedding mattress in the guest room, and others in the test room. The PL is still the mattress we come home to. Quite frankly, it is more comfortable to us than any mattress we have slept on while traveling. Although, we did sleep on a Bear Elite Hybrid Firm and it was pretty darn comfortable.

Last year, at 65, I managed to hurt my back pretty badly from lifting mattresses and couches. Multiple herniated and compressed discs with spurs wrapped around the nerves. I couldn’t get out of bed for almost a week. That was really the only time the PL became too firm for me. Actually, firm is not the correct word. Not enough pressure relief to certain areas where my back needed some forgiveness. Thankfully, I ordered a half sized wedge Talalay topper from @EuropeanSleep European Sleep Works, and that little bit of additional pressure relief and slight incline was enough to make sleeping bearable while my back recovered. While I am at it, their Oxygen-Pillow and CubeLuxe pillow are fantastic. :face_with_peeking_eye:

That experience actually gets into what I think you are wrestling with.

I didn’t initially choose the all-foam Plank, despite the claims that it is a step firmer. I’m pretty firmly in the camp that quality, robust springs will generally outlast foams, with some exceptions when you’re talking about good latex support components, although springs still have the edge when it comes to edge support. The edge support on the PL is also considerably better than the all-foam version, which mattered to me.

So, if you already know that you like the basic Plank feel, I don’t think going back to a Plank is a crazy choice at all. In your situation, I would probably look at the Plank Luxe as well rather than automatically buying another original Plank. You already know you can live with that general type of support, and with the two of you having different preferences, the Luxe gives you a little more cushioning without giving up that strong support underneath.

I will also say that the BB Thermobalance Elite gives its sister, the PL, a very good run, even for the extra money. As we get older, where the TBE really separates itself for us is pressure relief, particularly in the cover/panel. My wife constantly points this out when she goes into that guest room to read her Kindle and ends up falling asleep there.

I’ve actually come around to the idea that the TBE may be the better choice for us now as we get older. The support systems are extremely similar in how they support you. You sleep more “on” the mattress rather than “in” it, so you still get that cool, supported feeling, but there is just enough cushioning to take the sharpness off the shoulders, lower back and hips.There is a distinction there that matters. Everything between you and the floor matters, Sheets, topper, mattress protector, foundation, carpet, it all matters, Construction and organization of the layers, it matters. Craft mattress with 3 component layers, you get one feel, rotate the order of the layers, add mattress protector and things can change.

And I wouldn’t get too hung up on the 10/10 firmness ratings you are seeing. Those numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt, sometimes even within the same manufacturer’s lineup. Yes, the PL has a firmer and flatter surface. But the TBE doesn’t suffer at all in the support department. It just has a little more cushioning between you and the support system.

That is also why I wouldn’t necessarily assume that the Engineered Sleep Hybrid Classic Extra Firm being listed as a 10/10 means it is going to feel exactly like the firm side of the Plank. Construction, surface materials, quilting and how the layers interact can make two mattresses with the same numerical firmness rating feel very different. If you can test it, great. If not, I’d put more weight on the actual construction than the 10/10 number. Plus, the folks at @EngineeredSleep are straight shooters, you tell them what you are looking for, they will guide you to the best option they have available.

Latex is certainly worth considering too. Good latex can be extremely durable and supportive, and it has a very different feel from memory foam. But I wouldn’t spend $2,500+ on a complete latex mattress simply because someone told you latex lasts forever. You still have to like the feel. If you are already happy with the basic spring/support feel of the Plank, I don’t see a reason to abandon that simply in the name of durability.

And there are other mattresses I’d put on your radar. From my own experience, the DLX Premier and LatexLuxe have both given me a similarly excellent experience. We have also had the Titan Plus Elite and GlacierSleep Apex, both of which I thought were very good. With the Glacier Apex, I’d personally be looking at the firm version that is now available.

As far as your idea of doing two Twin XLs on a split king, I actually think that makes a lot of sense for you two because you have different comfort preferences. It gives each of you the ability to choose the firmness/feel that works for your own body rather than trying to find the one compromise mattress that works equally well for both of you. The question I’d spend some time on is whether you really want to be dealing with flipping/changing sides over the years or whether you’d rather have a construction that gives you the feel you want without relying on break-in.

If you are looking at an adjustable base, twin xl’s may be ideal. If you are looking at split feel as a couple. While buying direct may not be available for the TBE, buying from an authorized dealer like @yawnder, where they have the ability to order a split internal king, so firm on one side and medium or soft on the other.

And yes, I’d absolutely take advantage of the fact that you’re in Tucson and go lie on some different constructions if you have good independent mattress stores within reasonable driving distance. You don’t necessarily need to find the exact mattress you’re going to buy. You are really trying to answer some basic questions first: Do you still prefer that very firm, sleeping-on-top-of-the-mattress feel? How much cushioning can you add before your back says “nope”? And does a good latex or hybrid construction give you something you like better than the PL?

The biggest thing I’d say is don’t get too caught up in finding the “best” mattress. There isn’t one. There are a number of mattresses that can work extremely well for a particular person or couple.

At TMU, we understand the materials, springs, foams, densities, construction and all the other details, but we also understand that everybody has a budget. The trick is putting all of that together with the person’s body type, sleeping position, preferences and tolerance for pressure relief.

From what you’ve described, I don’t think you are starting from scratch. You already know that a very supportive mattress works for you. Now you’re really trying to figure out how much pressure relief you can add without giving up the support that keeps your backs happy.

That’s where I’d concentrate my testing. If you have any questions just follow up.

Hope this helps,

Maverick

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lol, no worries. I’m the same way. I end up writing a novel half the time.

I went in today and they didn’t have the regular plank in stock, but they DID have the Luxe. I tested it out and at first I thought I wasn’t going to like it. but after a bit I started to warm up and mold into it and I actually like it better than the regular plank. Like REALLY liked it. The hard side even with the extra comfort layer was STILL a bit harder than I liked, but I know that will wear in.

I have to take the wife in to test, because she likes the hard “board” side of the regular plank, and we always fought over which side of the plank to have up at a time because of that. so she may end up not liking it as much and wanting the original plank. in that situation I’d guess we’d just get a split king and pay a bit extra so we can each get the mattress we want