Manufacturers - overview

[phoenix]

Hi sleepydeepy.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum!

I found you years ago and based on your recommendation at the time purchased a Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Latex mattress, which my wife and I agreed was the most comfortable mattress we ever slept on. The mattress is getting a bit older now (4 years) and is noticeably sagging with two “valleys” or “trenches” where my wife and I sleep. I had assumed it was just past its useful life and it was time to buy another Dreamfoam.

Whenever someone comments about a mattress having impressions or sagging, I always suggest a “ground up” assessment and checking your support system under the mattress since this can also be a common cause for sagging in a mattress (you can check this by putting the mattress on the floor for a few nights).

I was trying to find the “recommendation” we made on which you based your purchase at the time and I noticed that you registered on TMU just yesterday (perhaps you had a different account in 2014), in any case, back then the Ultimate Dreams Latex used to have 1.5" of quilted super soft hyperflex foam, and 3" of Talalay latex on top of 6" 1.5lb/ft3 Polyfoam. Latex, in general, is the most durable foam material in the industry so outside of any defects in the latex itself (which is very uncommon), if there is any sagging it would be in the quilting layers or the base layer or in many cases what people are calling “sagging” is really what I call “virtual impressions” which are the result of choosing a comfort level that is too soft.

Based on what you described, I suggest that before you consider purchasing a new product that you contact the manufacturer to see if your mattress qualifies for a warranty replacement. I would keep in mind that all foams will take a bit of a set over time, but if it is an actual impression that is over the 1"-1/2" then you may wish to check on their Warranty Coverage here or give them a call.

I see that now Chuck and Dreamfoam/Brooklyn Bedding is no longer a TMU member, per the comment above. I was considering Nest (I believe Chuck is part owner?)

You are correct that Dreamoam/Brooklyn Bedding are no longer members of The Mattress Underground, however, Chuck is on the operations side for Dreamfoam and not its CEO and he is also not involved with NestBedding.

I was considering Nest (I believe Chuck is part owner?) as well as SleepEZ and/or Arizona (or other companies on your list),

As you already know all the companies that you are considering are manufacturing Trusted Members of this site and like all the members here I think very highly of and consider them to be among the “best of the best” in the industry.

The last mattress we bought was Ultimate Dreams Latex $599 from Chuck. We would like to spend a similar amount if possible, while hopefully avoiding the sagging within 3-4 years (or is that normal?)

Assuming that you are considering a Queen size mattress, you would be hard-pressed to find a latex mattress at the price point you are looking at. While price is certainly important of course… the “value” of a mattress purchase is what is most important and price is just one of many factors that can affect the “value” of a mattress purchase so you may wish to revisit the 3 most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).

Outside of the suitability of a mattress … the quality and durability of the materials and how long you sleep well on it over the years before you cross the subjective thresholds between “sleeping well” to “sleeping OK” to “tolerating it” and eventually deciding you need to replace it would be the next most important part of the “value” of a mattress purchase. There would also be little value in a mattress purchase where the materials in the mattress are likely to soften or break down too quickly relative to the price you paid. This would also not be covered by a warranty because they only cover defects and foam softening and the loss of comfort and support that goes with it isn’t considered to be a defect unless it also has visible impressions that are deeper than the warranty exclusions (see post #174 here)

Phoenix