Mattresses for international markets?

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Hi guys! I’ve spent the past couple of days researching mattresses based off this site. I finally zeroed in on a simple, but solid construct - Good quality innerspring, with a 3 inch Talalay latex comfort layer, since I’m more or less a side sleeper (and a stomach sleeper once in a while).

However, once I went out in the market, here in India, I saw the quality of the mattress offerings were exactly what this site warns consumers about - multiple, gimmicky layers, poor quality support, unnecessary pillow tops, low density foam for price consciousness etc.

Hence, I had the following questions:

  1. Natural Comfort Plush - (Pocket springs, a layer of PU foam (~1/2 inch), 2 inch latex layer and a quilted fabric)
    a. I know the thin foam layer is not recommended, but we don’t get the stronger innersprings that manage without a layer to cover the gap. Would this be okay?
    b. “Euro certified latex layer” - Does this ring any alarm bells?

  2. Why do people not get a cotton mattress made? Here, I can get an entire queen mattress made with high quality cotton for 1/5th of the price. Its been used for generations and has not caused back issues for most people, its quite breathable as well. However, I hardly see it mentioned here. Any inputs on this?

  3. Other options:
    a. Tango -
    (Pocket Spring, PU Foam, Natural Latex, Memory Foam, Gel-infused Memory Foam, Extra Thick quilting of Super Soft Foam and Memory Foam and Siliconized Polyfill.)
    b. ://therapedicindia.in/product/natural-essence/
    (Euro certified 7 zone latex) (Can’t add more than 2 links, please add the https prefix)
    Tried the mattress sample in a store, but it was quite firm for my liking.

Would request some help here please, have looked it up online but am absolutely unable to choose/understand this further. Its really expensive and I can’t afford to make the wrong choice. Thank you!

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Good Day mymypunhrrp,
It is great that you have done some research in your neck of the world. Yes, there are some gimmicky mattresses out there. Like all things, there is good and bad. Therapedic makes some nice quality mattresses. I am not quite sure that they would “dummy” down their mattresses for the international market. Unfortunately, without directly contacting the company for the specs on the mattresses being offered in your area, it is hard to know.
Not all countries require that law label on the mattress and have the strict standards that we have here in the USA.
I know that trusted member #mattress to go has a full line of Therapedic mattresses in their lineup.
Some offer foam encased perimeter coils and some offer edge to edge coil construction. I would guess with Jeff’s direct experience with the company and extensive experience in the industry, he might have better insight to what might get shipped overseas or manufactured in the overseas market by TheraPedic.

Remember, knowing the construction and quality of the materials is simply one step in finding the perfect mattress. Matching your PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), along with your body profile, weight, height, any other physical issues or requirements play a major role in the ultimate matching of mattress to user.
It is perfectly understandable if you have limited resources to actually try the mattress in a showroom, then you may have no other choice to rely on specs of the mattress and generalized information about the mattress to best guesstimate what will work for you. Quality materials naturally is the 1st key ingredient (jokingly, you can end up with a great quality mattress that may not be all that comfortable for you). Fortunately, if you make an error to the firmer side, a mattress topper may help resolve the problem.

Perhaps, you could start by providing some information about yourself, what your preferences are, body profile, and then if we can find out more about the Indian Market mattresses produced by TheraPedic, we can come close to nailing down the most likely candidate for your perfect mattress.

Knowing that the “Tango” was too firm is a good start, now we just have to find out what is inside of it. In some cases, the order in which the comfort layers are laid out, densities of their foams, etc. may indicate that a mattress like the “Tango” may actually be Perfect in the long run, as some layers used in the comfort layer of a mattress soften during the first month/s of use, landing you right where you may want to be.

I would agree that thin layers of foam may not be a recommended thing. This is not always true. If you have a 1/2" of HD PU foam that is 1.8lb or so, it can be used as a transition layer or a base layer in the mattress and would be perfectly acceptable.

In so far as an all-cotton mattress, on a good foundation, personally, I see no issues with it. But remember, mattress layers are designed to carry out different things and are directed to target specific parts of the body. For example, Trusted Member The Clean Bedroom sells a couple of lines of mattresses that are comprised of mostly all cotton. Some with the added support of pocketed springs for specific body alignment and contouring, some with layer/s of other natural fibers to complete the perfectly constructed mattress. A simple solid cotton mattress is really not uncommon though. In the State where I live, these folks offer cotton, cotton and wool, horsehair combinations, Cotton Mattress. It is just not what most people portray as mainstream, so it is not talked about as much.

Hopefully, this is a good start for you. Looking forward to getting some updated other information.

All the best,
Norm

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Hi, apologies for the delayed response, work’s been crazy. Thank you so so much for the detailed reply and help, you guys are honestly the nicest!

I went back to the store and took a couple of pics for your easy reference and understanding, hope that’s okay.

To clarify, I really liked the tango, but based on my research, it’s too many layers and ‘gimmicky’ - is that right though? I did love the feel of the mattress though, especially the cooling layer - I don’t know how to tell if I liked the ‘initial’ feel, and to ensure it wouldn’t sink in too much within an hour or such.
It was great though, however, it’s really expensive and I’d have to take a loan/EMI for it, which may not be the wisest idea.

The natural comfort plush fits my budget, but I didn’t get to try it out (except on those small cube ‘demo’ pieces, which felt alright I guess).

I found the ‘Natural Serenity’ to be too firm, which is what I was referring to earlier. Since it has just latex and a thin memory foam layer, I’m not sure how much the concept of sinking in over time would apply?

My profile:
Side sleeper mostly, sometimes stomach sleeper (85%-15% roughly). Weight 70kgs (154 lbs). I have a partner too, she weights approximately 120-130lbs.
No other particular issues, am just looking for solid spinal comfort. I do like softer mattresses, I’d say a 7/10 in terms of softness would do (Slightly springy/bouncy, but not the type that sinks in, like hotels; I do like some firmness).

I chose to skip the cotton since we don’t get ‘constructed’ mattresses here, it’d be 100% cotton all over, which tends to be too firm.

I’m honestly really confused on how to approach this, I got the concept of what is ‘good’, but I don’t know how to see if it’s one I’d like?

Thank you so much once again!

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Hi mymypunhrrp,
I sorry to say, I am at a loss for words here. I guess a first time for everything.
You and your partner are not particularly large, so you should have a vast variety of mattress that would work for you. The problem for me looking at the images you provided, they really dont provide enough information to offer an opinion. How thick is the VE layer, what density is it, same with the latex layer.
The Tango just has a lot of memory foam. Without knowing what the weights are, you could be in for a sinking experience, hot experience, or swallow you like a quick sand. The Polyfoam looks like a thick layer, but who knows exactly what is going on there.

Quite honestly, the Natual Comfort Plush looks like the safest bet going in blind. The memory foam is built into the quilted layer, so how bad can that be? A thinner layer of memory foam for a bit of pressure relief, probably not too thick. Then some unknown Latex, I would guess 14-16 ILD since they are saying plush. The poly foam that is there to keep you, and the plush latex, from the springs and add a little support, but then again, that would only be if they were using 1.8lb PU or more. Even if it were 1.5lb, perhaps livable if you want plush. Who knows what gauge the springs are, you have to believe that therapedic is probably using decent quality springs.

You are rolling the dice on this one, with the information at hand. Having said that, the NCP, if you had to pick one of these, and that was the only set of options, seems like the safest bet.

Sorry I could not be more helpful, there just isn’t enough there to react on, other than intuition and gut instinct. There is no option to try that mattress and lay on it for a half hour or so. They can not bring one in temporarily for their showroom floor?

Perhaps, at the very least have someone offer you an opinion on “feel” of that mattress as compared to the Tango. Perhaps an employee.

Maybe there are options that they would be willing to accommodate.

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Mymy,

You tried the Tango….you should know how it feels since you are the only one to try it. If you want memory foam, go with the best……Tempurpedic. I like the Luxe Adapt Firm myself. It has a medium firm feel.

John

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Ive tried other memory foam companies that try to mimic Tempurpedic and they are all simply terrible. Tempurpedic is the best memory foam.

John