There are a few memory foams that are Oeko-Tex certified but you will generally only find them in a "finished mattress (see here for example) and not as individual layers that can be purchased individually.
Iâm not certain where you read this but it certainly wasnât on this forum (and this is the only place that I post).
They do use high quality materials in their mattresses ⌠but I generally suggest that anyone that is considering them make some very careful value comparisons with other similar mattresses that are in lower budget ranges.
While I do recommend the members here âas a groupâ (and Savvy Rest isnât one of the members here) because I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency ⌠I donât make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first âruleâ of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best âmatchâ for you in terms of âcomfortâ or PPP or how a mattress will âfeelâ to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or âtheory at a distanceâ that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
I also donât believe that most mattress materials are âtoxicâ and I think that much if not most of the information about âtoxicâ materials on the internet is very misleading and in many cases is more about marketing than anything else.
For example ⌠one of the most common replies in the forum for those that are getting overly âcaught upâ in these types of issues is this one âŚ
I believe that the Marriott (Jamison) mattresses use 1.8 lb polyfoam which as you can see in the quality/durability guidelines here (and unlike the materials used in many other hotel mattresses) is a good quality material.
Iâve been searching the web for information on mattresses almost non stop for the last few days and itâs just my luck that, hours after placing an order for an Essentia Dormeuse, I discover this forum (and this thread). After reading over all 5 pages I am left with one question. In all honesty Iâm neither surprised or upset by the fact that this company is peddling misinformation. Quite frankly Iâm generally skeptical of any brand or company that focuses primarily on marketing itself as green, eco friendly, organic etc etc. That said, Iâm sure the company is very sneaky in itâs marketing practices and I recognized right (even before reading this thread) that the claim of being âorganicâ doesnât really mean anything. The question I have is⌠are there companies accessible to me in Vancouver (Canada) that make a low (or lower) emission product (in terms of off-gassing) of similar or better quality at a better price?
I have been reading a lot of your post. Itâs incredible the amount of time and knowledge you add to each discussion. People like you make it so much easier for me to make an informed decision. Thank you for that. It is also nice that there are people that are willing to call out companies like essentia to reveal the truths.
I am also looking for a more natural mattress. How do I know if any of these companies are telling the truth on their websites? Is it just that essentia is more brazen about their claims and they are touting new technology that canât be verified because they are hiding behind patents? If I go to other sites like savvy rest and naturepedic they are claiming organic and natural too. But it looks like all three are using the same Dunlop latex. Is there really such a thing as 100% natural or do all these companies use a few non organic compounds like Diphenyl diisocyanate or Waxes styrene-butadiene copolymer? Are these three companies supplying about the same product in term of healthiest placing marketing gimmicks aside? Thanks.
Most reputable manufacturers will give you accurate information about the type of materials they use in their mattresses. Essentia is an exception where lab testing on their natural memory foam shows that it doesnât contain any latex that shows up in the tests so the claims that they are making about their natural memory foam containing latex arenât accurate.
Essentia does use 100% natural Dunlop latex in their base layers but itâs their so called âlatex memory foamâ which is misleading.
The only reliable way to to assess the âsafetyâ of different materials in more general terms is based on lab tests and the certifications they have for harmful substances and VOCs so that you have some assurance than the VOCs are below the testing limits for the certification.
Most people that are looking for an âorganicâ mattress are usually concerned more with âsafetyâ than whether the materials have an actual organic certification. There is more information about the three different levels of organic certifications in post #2 here and some of the benefits of an organic certification in post #3 here and there is more about the different types of organic and safety certifications in post #2 here and more about some of the differences between organic and safety certifications in post #2 here and there are some comments in post #42 here that can help you decide whether an organic certification is important to you for environmental, social, or personal reasons or whether a âsafetyâ certification is enough.
All the latex you are likely to encounter (either Dunlop or Talalay that is made with either natural or synthetic rubber or a blend of both) will have a reliable certification such as Oeko-Tex, Eco-Institut, Greenguard Gold, or C2C and based on actual testing I would consider any type or blend of latex to be a very âsafeâ material in terms of harmful substances and VOCâs.
100% natural latex means that all the rubber used in the latex foam compounding formulation is natural rubber (vs synthetic rubber) but there are also small amounts of other substances used in the formulation to foam and manufacturer the latex. There is more about 100% natural latex in post #18 here).
There is also more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here.
Ok, I think Iâm catching on. The only thing in question about essentia natural claims is the top layer of foam. The other components of their mattress are what they claim. I just looked at the attacked docs on the tests. So the first two report are saying that there is no evidence of hevea milk, which essentia claim is the key ingredient, and there is evidence of mdi that on their chart, that you posted from their website, isnât checked off? The third report is saying that 97% of the foam is not natural and only 3% is natural? So it looks like they are possible lying which is certainly concerning. Itâs interesting that they donât defend themselves, on these forums, with proof of their claim instead of answers that donât have any validity. If my businessâs character was called into question I would definitely supply documented information to validate my claims for the benefit of current and future customers. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Letâs say these tests arenât accurate and essentia isnât lying. Itâs hard to support them because you just donât know without them proving it. I guess Iâll scratch them off my list.
Thanks for all the info and posts. Do you have any post for best mattress material and firmness for lower back issues. I primarily sleep on my stomach, I know thatâs the worst position for your back, and sometimes my side. I know there are a lot of variables but something to get me started. Thanks again.
Ok, I think Iâm catching on. The only thing in question about essentia natural claims is the top layer of foam. The other components of their mattress are what they claim. I just looked at the attacked docs on the tests. So the first two report are saying that there is no evidence of hevea milk, which essentia claim is the key ingredient, and there is evidence of mdi that on their chart, that you posted from their website, isnât checked off? The third report is saying that 97% of the foam is not natural and only 3% is natural? So it looks like they are possible lying which is certainly concerning. Itâs interesting that they donât defend themselves, on these forums, with proof of their claim instead of answers that donât have any validity. If my businessâs character was called into question I would definitely supply documented information to validate my claims for the benefit of current and future customers. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Letâs say these tests arenât accurate and essentia isnât lying. Itâs hard to support them because you just donât know without them proving it. I guess Iâll scratch them off my list.
Also, I saw you posted the FTC report but why donât the agencies that verify and certify organic and natural products go after companies that make false claims tomake it safer for consumers? Greenguard, GOTC, etc.
Thanks for all the info and posts. Do you have any post for best mattress material and firmness for lower back issues. I primarily sleep on my stomach, I know thatâs the worst position for your back, and sometimes my side. I know there are a lot of variables but something to get me started. Thanks again.
They did register on the forum and replied to some questions in a couple of posts (see posts #4 - #7 in this topic) but then they stopped posting any further replies or clarifications.
The biggest issues with Essentia are the misleading claims and information on their website along with the price of their mattresses compared to other mattresses that use a very similar 100% natural Dunlop support core with some additional foam comfort layers on top of it (either latex or memory foam). While I wouldnât dispute that they are using good quality and durable materials ⌠they are not as âspecialâ as they claim to be IMO and I would have have a difficult time justifying their prices relative to other mattresses that use similar materials that are in much lower budget ranges.
There are some recent indications that some certifying agencies are beginning to âenforceâ the use of their logos but they donât have any control over manufacturer claims that donât use their specific logos and the FTC doesnât seem to have either the money, the will, the manpower, or in some cases even the clear guidelines (for claims such as ânaturalâ or âgreenâ) that allow them to enforce claims except on a very limited basis or cases where there is clear and significant misrepesentation.
While it may be more information than you are looking for ⌠there is also a lot more information in post #2 here and the more detailed posts and information it links to about safe, natural, organic, âchemical freeâ, and âgreenâ mattresses and mattress materials that can help you sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and answer âhow safe is safe enough for meâ or âhow natural is natural enough for meâ and that can help you decide on the type of materials and components you are most comfortable having in your mattress or on the certifications that may be important to you. These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, beliefs, and lifestyle choices.
While I can certainly help with âhowâ to choose ⌠Itâs not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first âruleâ of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress. There are just too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best âmatchâ for you in terms of âcomfortâ, firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will âfeelâ to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or âtheory at a distanceâ that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
Assuming that the materials in a mattress you are considering are durable enough for your body type and meet the quality/durability guidelines here relative to your weight range ⌠the choice between different types and combinations of materials and components or different types of mattresses are more of a preference and a budget choice than a âbetter/worseâ choice (see this article). The best way to know which type of materials or which type of mattresses you tend to prefer in general terms will be based on your own testing and personal experience because different people can have very different preferences.
Iâm not sure what youâve read since you found the site but just in case you havenât read it yet ⌠the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ⌠and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure youâve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best âmatchâ for you in terms of âcomfortâ, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesnât turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the âvalueâ of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
While itâs not possible to be specific ⌠in very general terms and based on âaveragesâ ⌠side sleepers tend to need a softer mattress because the body has more curves that need to be âfilled inâ to provide suitable support (such as the waist) and more âpointy partsâ (such as the hips and shoulders) that need to sink in more to relieve pressure when you are on your side and generally need thicker and softer upper layers that can contour to the shape of the body more effectively and more deeply. Back sleepers have less curves that need to be filled in (such as the small of the back or lumbar spine) and less âpointyâ pressure points and generally do best with a little bit firmer mattress that has either thinner or firmer comfort layers to reduce the risk of their pelvis sinking into the mattress too much which can put the spine out of alignment and cause lower back pain. Stomach sleepers have the flattest and least âcurvyâ sleeping profile of all and so they tend to need a firmer mattress yet with thinner and/or firmer comfort layers to reduce the risk of their pelvis sinking into the mattress too much and sleeping in a swayback position which can put considerable strain on the lower back and also lead to lower back pain. Stomach sleeping is the âriskiestâ sleeping position in terms of back and neck strain (the head is turned sideways which can strain the neck). Putting a thin pillow under the pelvis/lower abdomen may also help prevent stomach sleepers from sleeping in a swayback position.
Having said all that ⌠not everyone fits into the âaveragesâ so the only way to know whether any mattress is a good âmatchâ for you and how well you will sleep on it will be based on your own careful testing and/or your own personal experience when you sleep on it.
Thanks for all the great info here about the false claims and so on. Forgive me if itâs been stated in this thread already or in another thread but are there any discussions or answers about how toxic these MyEssentia mattresses are in reality and in what way?
It seems rather clear that these mattresses do off-gas to a noticable extent, as one poster mentioned a sweet vanilla smell which would appear to be toxic⌠Does anyone else have experience using these beds and what other smells are coming off them after long-term use?
I understand some tests have been done on the foam/rubber/latex or whatever mystery materials they use. I also understand the misleading and all that, but could I have the results of the tests explained to me in terms of toxicity as they relate to VOCs or whatever else the harmful aspect of these mattresses is?
The only reliable way to to assess the âsafetyâ of different materials in more general terms is based on lab tests and the certifications they have for harmful substances and VOCs so that you have some assurance than the VOCs are below the testing limits for the certification (see post #2 here for more information about some of the more reliable âsafetyâ certifications). If the materials in a mattress or the mattress itself has a reliable âsafetyâ certification then for most people they would certainly be âsafe enoughâ ⌠regardless of the type of material or the name of the manufacturer on the label.
The latex in the Essentia mattresses have an Oeko-Tex certification and the glue they use is Greenguard Gold certified but the memory foam they use doesnât have a specific certification. Having said that ⌠they did test one of their previous mattresses (the Classic Skinny) which contained 2" of their memory foam and according to their test results the testing would pass the Greenguard standards although they donât mention whether it would have passed the Greenguard Gold standard which is usually used for mattresses.
Assuming that the memory foam they are currently using is the same as the memory foam that was in the Classic Skinny I would consider their mattress to be âsafe enoughâ although they donât have an actual Greenguard or Greenguard Gold certification and it would be nice to see a more current certification that applied to their current mattresses so that their customers could have more confidence that their current memory foam has a certification that is normally used for mattress materials.
I would also keep in mind that the smell of a material isnât an indication of whether it is harmful or not because some harmful VOCâs have no smell at all and some VOCâs that are completely safe have a much stronger smell (such as natural rubber, natural wool, or even a rose).
The materials they use certainly arenât a mystery. Most of their mattresses use a base layer of 100% natural latex with comfort layers that are good quality/density memory foam (not latex).
Outside of the misleading information on their website ⌠the biggest issue with Essentia mattresses isnât âsafetyâ or durability but that their mattresses are in significantly higher price ranges than other mattresses that use similar types of materials that would also be âsafe enoughâ based on their certifications for harmful substances and VOCâsâŚ
Thanks for the explanation. Iâm cautious of memory foam because Iâve encountered some memory foams in the past where the smell of them actually made me dizzy and noxious so I would say that Iâm more sensitive than most people. Other people in the house didnât smell anything and yet I could smell the fumes coming off the foam even from another room. As you mentioned before, we all certainly have different sensitivities.
This thread is a great resource anyway for those who seek a wide variety of answers. What I gained is that there really isnât anything special about their ânatural memory foam.â I guess the confusing part is the fact that some people have stated that no, itâs not actually memory foam, itâs a type of latex foam that mimics memory foam. Either way itâs too confusing for me and Iâve lost confidence in the brand. I agree that they should market their products for what they actually are.
There are some lab test results of their so called ânatural memory foamâ in this post and the testing indicates that it doesnât contain latex or natural or âbio basedâ materials.
I also just came across a product deemed to be made from âbio basedâ memory cell memory foam and latex. I am assuming this is mainly a marketing term and refers to only a small portion of the memory foam being derived from natural products (eg oils) only.
You are wise to be skeptical about the âbio-basedâ memory foams as this is in most cases more about marketing and it is also somewhat misleading because the polyfoam and memory foam are still mostly petrochemical based ⌠not âbio-basedâ ⌠These foams have only a very small part of the petrochemical polyols (one of the chemicals used to manufacture polyfoam and memory foam) being replaced with plant oil ⌠hence âbioâ. You can see some more comments about âso-calledâ bio-based or plant-based foam materials in post #2 here
As stated many times on our site, regardless of the name used for the foam, youâd always want find out information listed here and the exact specifications (such as foam density) and the quality of the componentry in the mattress so that you can compare it to the durability guidelines here. Also Post #2 here has some guidelines (including MF safety/certifications) to keep in mind when purchasing any mattress that contains memory foam.
My personal experience: I have owned both the Dormeuse and the LaLa crib mattress for about 3 years now. I am extremely happy with both. My little daughter loves her mattress, and complains when she sleeps elsewhere and canât be on her comfy mattress. I sleep better on the Dormeuse than I ever have in my life. It is absolutely dreamy to sleep on. I have a Duxiana (another luxury mattress brand) in the guest room which I have slept on a number of times, and I hate it! It is so uncomfortable. True memory foam mattresses have always irritated my skin, which is extremely sensitive. I have actually had experiences of my skin BURNING like it is on fire sleeping on regular memory foam mattresses. I have never had any irritation from the Dormeuse.