Need help deciding on a mattress

Hello SirJohn,

You have certainly done your research well and it looks like you clearly know what you want. It does appear that the Plus 1300 is very similar to the Hospitality 4, although Jonathan Stevens does not share the density of its firm polyurethane layer. The Hospitality series are models designed for use in hotels, which have a challenging environment. Please note that most hotel chains replace their mattresses every 5 years. The Lady A Plus 1300 's use of a 1.8 lb. poly layer should provide you decent longevity.

Based on your research, personal experience with a test rest and use of Phoenix’s famous PPP method of assessment , Mattress specifications you need to know - The Mattress Underground, as well as your budget, we would conclude your decision on the Lady A Plus 1300 is very reasonable.

Sweet dreams!

Team Luma

I believe this is where to ask my question as I didn’t know which “Ask an Expert” to choose. I am trying to determine if the bed I purchased is right for me while I’m in my trial period.

I bought an Oceano by Brentwood which is a hybrid of high density memory foam, individually wrapped coils (two sets) and wool top. They consider it a “Medium Plush” but as it states somewhere on this site that is a relative term really. I have had it for roughly 3 weeks. During the first 2 weeks I found it to be rather firm. I am mostly a side sleeper and found my hip and shoulder rather painful. I contacted the company (excellent customer service) and they sent a 2" foam mattress topper. I still am having the same pain issues. I chose the hybrid bed because I thought it may be more durable over time compared to my other desired choice, latex.

I am 5’4" and 140 pounds and, as previously stated, mostly a side sleeper. I paid just over $1300 for this mattress and that is about the top of my budget. I’ve researched many mattresses on line (on line due to the generous trial period) but am concerned about the ‘newness’ of a lot of these companies. Anyone can make and sell a bed but…anyways, I am wondering if an all latex of latex hybrid would be a better fit than the memory foam and coils. I’m concerned about buying a mattress considered “plush” or “soft” for the side sleeping as it may not last as long. If I lean towards latex, I would want it to be the natural Dunlop or Talalay. Are there any affordable natural latex mattresses out there? I’m not even sure if my question(s) or confusion is answerable.

I guess I’m wondering with regards to a side sleeper 1. Have I given this current Brentwood mattress enough time to soften? 2. Are all latex (that aren’t a very high price point) mattresses durable? or am I better off with a hybrid? 3. Can a soft enough bed for a side sleeper actually last without costing too much?

Again, if these are not questions that can be answered and are more a personal decision I completely understand.

Thanks

Hi Hilaryb,

Thanks for visiting The Mattress Underground. We can address your questions and concerns.

3 weeks is probably enough time to determine if your new mattress is right for you, though many mattress companies require a minimum of 30 days. You should probably check and see if Brentwood has a minimum so you know what your options are. It looks like you have received an additional 2" memory foam topper, but did not say how long you have been sleeping on it. If it did not resolve your issues within a few days, it is unlikely that it will.

Additionally, you seem to be conflicted about your mattress purchase, as it looks like your original desire was for an all latex mattress. With both the physical and mental stress involved with your current memory foam hybrid mattress, you will most likely need to replace it in order to find the mattress solution you have been looking to find.

Given all the pre-purchase research you conducted, it is interesting that you chose a memory foam hybrid over a latex hybrid mattress. While not all latex, the latex/pocketed coil hybrid design appears to be well suited for your requirements. There a several latex hybrid mattresses available online that meet your stated budget of $1300 (or less), although you did not state the size you need. For example, Arizona Premium Mattress Company, a trusted member of The Mattress Underground, sells a king size latex/pocketed coil hybrid that seems to fit into your budget. King Ultimate Hybrid Pocket Coil - Latex Mattress, Ultimate Hybrid- Pocket Coil/Latex

You will not likely find a quality king size all latex mattress at your budget price, as high quality latex foam is very expensive as a mattress component, and an all latex mattress price reflects this. However, a latex/coil hybrid can provide you with a reasonable alternative that meets all your needs.

Sweet dreams,

Team Luma

Thank you so much for your reply. Reading back I realize now I probably left out some key points. I am actually looking for a queen bed and as to the topper have been sleeping on it for about 10 days now. I will definitely look into the Arizona Premium Mattress Company. I’m just not sure the latex will be any softer than the memory foam but I will definitely do some research.

Again thank you!

I am looking for recommendations on the best bed to buy for my 8-year-old son to use for 5 weeks. We are traveling to Honolulu and staying at a friend’s house during that time while they’re away. They have a baby, so there’s a crib, but no bed–so we need to get something inexpensive (a few hundred dollars max) the same day we land (a few days from now)! My first thought was air mattress, but it seems there isn’t much good to say about them other than they’re cheap, and don’t expect much. I also thought about camping air pad mattresses but assume they are even worse as far as comfort/support? Getting a used mattress might be a possibility but we won’t have access to a truck, and hunting for something might be more trouble than it’s worth… Wondering about getting the cheapest possible memory foam mattress instead? I saw one place in Honolulu that advertised them starting at only $199. Ideally the mattress would also work for my parents when they come visit us in Hawaii. If possible, I plan to donate the mattress after we leave. Any advice? Thank you!!! Lissa

Hi lisaachurch,

Welcome to The Mattress Underground! Since your needs are temporary and price is a prime consideration, your best bet is a discount-type purchase. Size matters when it comes to mattress pricing. The larger the mattress the more expensive; something that works for your son may not work for your parents as well. Also, it seems you need to have it delivered (or pick up at a store), and being in Hawaii really limits these options. Any option other than an air mattress poses challenges and will likely not meet your cost/budget needs. A decent air mattress looks to be a better option than a really cheap memory foam bed-in-a-box for your situation.

There are some good air mattresses that can fit the bill for an 8-year old on a temporary basis. It can also be packed up and left at your friend’s house for future use ( small thank you gift left behind).

We suggest some online shopping (think Amazon) , review of product rating/reviews and Hawaii delivery options. Purchase from somewhere that you can return quickly if turns out to be not what you need. Chances are you’ll get it right the first time!

Have fun online shopping,

Team Luma

Thank you for the advice, Team Luma! :slight_smile: Makes sense and appreciate the response!

Lissa

Have a great time in Hawaii. Mahalo!

I’m interested in medium firmness in:
BB Bowery (all foam)
BB Aurora (hybrid)
BB Signature (hybrid)
Ghostbed Luxe (all foam)

I am interested in medium firmness and coolness. I prefer memory foam over hybrid, but don’t want to be hot while sleeping. I currently am sleeping on a 10 year old Simmons BeautyRest with pillowtop (approx 14 inches thick). Its time for a new mattress. This one is starting to feel like a brick.

The Aurora, because of the coolness factor, but the negative for me is the hybrid factor and the price.

The Signature, because it seems from reviews it sleeps cooler than the Bowery and is cheaper than
the Aurora, and the Signature is considered temperature neutral, but the negative is its still a hybrid.

The Bowery for the all foam bed, but don’t want the warming issues.

I would be interested in the Cocoon Chill by Sealy, but based on research on this site, the bigger names usually use lower quality materials. Attached is what I found online concerning the specs on the sealy: quoted: soft-Cocoon mattress by Sealy, a density of 3 pounds in the Perfect Fit memory foam layer and 1.8 pounds in the Comfort Layer memory foam,1.8 pounds in the transition and base layers. Firm -same except it features three pound memory foam in the comfort layer with a larger eight-inch chunk of the high-dense support base.

Finally, the Ghostbed Luxe for the all foam construction and the cooling factor its supposed to have, but the negative is the price.
Considering I am just about willing to pay the higher price for the BB Aurora and Ghostbed Luxe, thats going to be my max budget.

I would love to get some feedback from any and all if you have or have had any of these beds and what your thoughts are on them as far as feel, durability, hot/cool sleeping, and anything else you can offer.

I cannot find the specs on the BB mattresses nor the Ghostbed Luxe. Any feedback on these specs will be appreciated. I would like to buy before the July 4th holiday to take advantage of the discounts.

Hi droidx.

While I can certainly help with “how” to choose … It’s not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first “rule” of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will “feel” to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or “theory at a distance” that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

“Specs” about each person’s body type and sleeping position are an important part of how each person interacts with a mattress but there are many other variables as well. There are many different types of layering combinations that can perform equally well for people of a certain height and weight and sleeping style so the most “accurate” way to “fit” a mattress to each person is to work with a knowledgeable local person who has the experience and knowledge to help you make the most suitable choices in “real time” and in person. There are some general weight and height guidelines here and some general guidelines about sleeping positions here and some information about how different types of layering can change and affect these guidelines in this section of the site but these are general guidelines and starting points only and will do more to help you know who has the knowledge to help you make the best choices more than they can be used to design or recommend a specific mattress based on what I call “theory at a distance”.

Generally outside of PPP the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the type and quality of all the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label so I would always make sure that you are able to find out the information listed here so you can compare the materials and components in a mattress to the quality/durability guidelines here so you can confirm that there are no lower quality materials or obvious weak links in a mattress that would compromise the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Like many of the other “simplified choice” mattresses … there is a great deal of “marketing speak” on their website (some of which makes very little sense and is misleading) and they don’t provide all the information you would need to make an informed choice or make meaningful quality/value comparisons with other mattresses.

Thanks for posting your findings about the specifics of this mattress. You are correct that the major brands (such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta and the major retailers that focus on them)) are generally among the least transparent in the industry and they all tend to use lower quality materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors along with any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines I linked above along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here ).

I would make sure you read a bit more about Sealy Cocoon in this topic (which confirms your findings with the Cocoon specs as well) The density of the memory foam in both models (3 lb and 2.2 lb) is lower than what I would normally recommend and I would advise caution for anyone considering these two particular mattresses, because the risk of premature foam softening and breakdown and the loss of comfort and support would mean that there would be a much higher risk that you would need to buy a new mattress much sooner than you hoped for and foam softening and the loss of comfort and support isn’t covered by mattress warranties (see post #174 here ).

If for some reason this mattress is still in your finalists then in terms of temperature regulation the chill version has a stretch-knit cover polyester-cotton infused with phase-change material (PCM) which would make help keeping you a little cooler than the Cocoon Classic but I’d keep in mind that the MF layer under is the least breathable of all foams.

GhostBed Luxe is made by Nature’s Sleep previously it had their mattresses in their factory in China and importing them into the US for many years (although it appears that their new Ghost Mattress may be made in the US but I am not sure if any of their foams are imported from China).
FIY and for others that may consider this bed the specs of this mattress
1.5" Cover (1"of 4lb quilted Gel memory foam + ½ inch of Japanese cooling fiber just under the fabric cover)
2" of 4lb Gel Memory Foam: with a “Ice” phase change surface
2" Ghost Bounce Layer: (“responsive like Latex, contouring like Memory Foam, yet resilient. equivalent to high quality talalay latex” From their site description I think it is a All of these are what I call “high performance polyfoams” and are more costly than conventional polyfoam so they would certainly justify the higher cost of Luxe as opposed to the Classic but they are also not as costly as many more premium foam materials such as higher quality memory foam or latex.
7.5" of 2lb Support Core Polyfoam

There are some past comments about Nature’s Sleep (.com not .ca which is a different company) in this topic and forum searches on naturessleep.com and exact phrase site searches on nature’s sleep and on natures sleep(you can just click the links) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well (although you will need to be careful that the results the last two searches bring up are discussing the .com site and not the .ca site … which again is a completely different company).

As far of the other mattresses you are looking at you have to decide for yourself if they meet with your personal value equation that are most important to yo and if you find any of hte detailed specs of your finalists then feel free to post them here and I’d certainly be happy to let you know if I can see any obvious weak links in the mattress that would be a reason for concern in terms of the quality/durability and useful life of the mattress.

Phoenix

Thanks Phoenix for the reply. I know BB was a former member here, and I know that members laid out the specs of the materials of their mattresses, but for some reason, I cannot find them, so if anyone has them, please share. My biggest comcern with the BB Aurora is the springs. I’m not a fan of them, and I feel that the foam would last longer but sleep warmer. Just curious as to any input you have on foam over springs when it comes to durability. I’m just at the point where I have done so uch research that if I don’t buy a mattress soon, I probably never will… Thanks again.

Hi droidx.

These lineups were all launched at the end of last year and it is not surprising that you cannot find too many comments (before this BB had only one product TheBestMattressEver that sometimes mid-year 2017 after changing materials and replacing the latex with the Titanflex foam was renamed “Signature” ) As with any mattress, building a solid track record takes some time and “real consumer” feedback and experience with the product over a longer period of time versus the very soon after-purchase reviews that more often than not are only another type of marketing system that take advantage of the consumer’s mindset and use them to target a market that pays undue attention to them.

There are some posts with comments and discussions about the mattresses you are interested in here , here, and here. You can always do a forum search just click here and put a key term in to see if you can find anything else of interest you. They have a good customer service and you may wish to contact and ask them directly which is probably the fastest way to get your questions answered.

Hopefully, any of the other forum members that own one of these mattressess for some time will see your post and share their experience.

Phoenix

Hi everyone, this is my first post here and like many others have stated, I am blown away by the level of detail the articles provide, and the amount of engagement the admins as well as the experts offer in their responses.

I am looking to replace my three year old Queen Sealy Posturepedic Plus Archer Glen III Plush Mattress.

Stats:

5ft 11"
172 pounds (BMI: 24)
43 years old
Athletic build/relatively broad shouldered
Side Sleeper (sprinter style - one leg straight, one leg bent) switching sides through the night

Budget:
< $3000

Current Mattress & Issues:

  • I purchased my current mattress online without any real research. The mattress is rated at a 5.5 Comfort Scale where 1 is Extra Firm and 10 is Extra Plush. Apparently an ‘entry-level’ model that is considered a medium-soft. In general, I find the mattress doesn’t really let me sink-in enough (i.e. kind of firm). While sleeping on my side in the sprinter position, I find myself in a protracted scapula position (on the side resting on the mattress) and my shoulder shrugged up slightly. I suspect this is because the comfort layers of this mattress aren’t allowing me to sink-in enough and it’s a possible compensation to achieve pressure relief. Although I don’t experience any numbness. I switch sides throughout the night. I’ve placed pillows on either side of my mattress to rest the bent leg and to minimize the pelvic rotation. The pillows are not high enough to eliminate it. Trying to sleep with a pillow between my legs has been awkward.

  • I have the corner of my eye resting on the pillow tends pressing against the pillow. The sprinter position makes this worse since the head/nose is turned further towards the pillow than in the log-like side-sleeper position. To make up for this, I then bend my head slightly forward to allow me to relieve some of the pressure that’s placed on my eye, trying to sleep towards the ends of the pillow. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about this so this may just be something I’ve created for myself.

  • I find that I also sleep hot.

  • Recently, I also have lower back/hip pain in the morning. I don’t remember having this in the past but it’s hard to determine if the lack of proper support in the mattress is causing this, or other factors (sitting all day, workout issues, etc) could be causing it.

  • Even though 3 years is a relatively early timeframe to be thinking about a new mattress, given my initial investment in the Sealy was around $800, it still seems like the right time.

Future Mattress:

I have gone through the “Mattresses” section of the site and read through many forum threads.
The articles on going to a mattress store and trying out initial feel , followed by comfort , followed by support, etc. definitely make a lot of sense for such an investment in quality sleep; but at the end of the day, anything that I buy online won’t be the same as what I try for a short time in-store. I fear that not only do I not have the time to do this but even if I do make the time, that the mattress I’ll end up with will need an adjustment period anyway. I am not sure if my thought process makes sense given the level of detail and emphasis the admins of TMU have spent on these different steps to a perfect mattress.

Given the above, here is where I’m at:

  • Since budget is not an issue, opt for a very high quality all-latex layered mattress.

  • Side sleepers generally fair well with a 3" thick comfort layer and a 6" support layer. Go for a total of 9".

Here’s where I am stuck. Because I will be ordering from one of the experts here, I won’t really get a chance to try the mattress out in a store. Because of my higher budget, would it make more sense to go with a catch-all approach :

Option 1: A 3" comfort layer (e.g. soft) and two 3" support layers (e.g. soft → firm). Totalling 9".

Option 2: A 3" comfort layer (e.g. soft) and three 3" support layers (e.g. medium → firm → extra firm). Totalling 12"

Option 2 allows additional customization where the order of the layers can be adjusted to provide better support. However, I don’t really know if this is overkill and if the 9" is more than enough.

  • Both options presumably allow for a dual-sided mattress (simply by moving the layers around).

  • Opt for a blended (Talalay) comfort layer since I’ve read that blended reduces body impressions and assuming I’ll have a soft ILD range on this layer. Natural for the support layers.

  • Don’t go for a zoned mattress as it is more adjustability than I probably need, even though likely within budget.

Questions:

  1. Do you have any thoughts on the two options above?

  2. I will be setting everything up alone and won’t have help. Do I need to keep this in mind when choosing the layers? I live in a high-rise condominium and in a 1 bedroom apartment so I’ll have an elevator and a cart to haul the boxes up to the bedroom. I have a ‘regular box spring’ from when I purchased my current mattress.

  3. Any specific recommendations on the comfort/versus support layers based on my current mattress/issues described above? I assume this can be recommended by the experts based on their other customers/experiences.

  4. Any overall thoughts (e.g. am I just going about this all wrong?)

I really appreciate any feedback.

Regards,
Sam

Thanks Phoenix. My wife and I again went to the local b&m store to check out mattresses. They really only have the big names, so thats all I can feel. However, my wife fell in love with the tempurpedic adapt hybrid medium. She wants that mattresses, but I am not spending almost 3k on a mattress. Now my search starts to find a mattress that feels very similar to it. I know that feeling is subjective, but it cant be that hard to lay on 2 mattresses and tell if they at least feel similar. So, off to my search. I am going to start with the BB Aurora, as it looks like a fine mattress, and has some cooling properties that may help. I would love to find out the specs on the tempur so I can compare, but I have hit nothing but walls so far. I also am curious if the titanflex foam used in the BB Aurora feels like memory foam, as my wife like that feel too. If anyone has felt both of these here, though, I would really appreciate the feedback. Thanks again for the response.

Hi MidiSam.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Thank you for the detailed information. …you certainly have done your research and have really focused in on what is important for a mattress purchase and what best serves you. We applaud your efforts and are pleased to know the YMU has assisted you!

Both options are very logical. If you have the ability to return one of the layers, then going with option 2 allows you to test both options. If it turns out you need/want the 4th – 3" layer, then you have it and I you do not need it, you return it.

As far as I can see getting the mattress inside your condo should not be a problem… most layered systems manufacturers would box each of the 3" layer separately, so an individual box will not be too heavy or too big to handle. It’s always prudent to use a cart or hand dolly when handling boxes of this size/weight. You can get the information about the boxes from the company you decide to purchase from.

As far as the box spring goes I’d keep in mind that most of the modern one-sided mattresses, regardless of the type (innerspring, polyfoam core or latex) the manufacturers prefer and require the product to be placed upon a firm and flat surface and if it is a slatted surface usually they recommend 3’ or less between gaps for a latex bed, but different manufacturers./retailers may have different requirements so I would always confirm with them that any support system you are planning to use under the specific mattress you purchase meets their warranty requirements and guidelines. I am not very sure what type of “box spring” you have, but if it is the metal semi-flex foundation I’d check that it is perfectly flat with no dips or flexing that can negatively affect the impact of your new mattress. If approved by the manufacturer … a regular “box spring” could work well enough provided that it is less than 10 years old and in good condition – flat, no evidence of wear, making no noise/squeaks.

Yes, it is best to work the details out with the experts. The one design concept you really want to make sure you can incorporate in either option is that of progressive support/firmness. While it may be advantageous to be able to re-arrange layers, you want to avoid configurations where you have a softer ILD layer beneath as firmer ILD layer. When this occurs, support is altered.

Have Fun! You are completely on the right on track. The only other thought has to do with the zippered cover you will ultimately be using, will it be 9" or 12". If you go with option 2, but end up with a 9" layered system, you will need a 9 " cover. To truly get the proper feel of the mattress, the layers need to be enclosed in the cover. While it may add a cost, you might consider purchasing both a 9" and 12" cover, so when you experiment with the configurations, you can encase completely and sleep on each for a sufficient time to gauge effectively. This will mean you end up with an extra cover (you really can’t return a used cover), it will provide you with the most options to properly evaluate.

Good luck! and once you’ve had the chance to narrow things down a little further, feel free to post back with any specific questions and I or any of our Expert Members will be happy to assist you.

Phoenix

What type of sleep do you prefer? Are you a back sleeper or hot sleeper or side sleeper, it’s important to identify this before choosing any mattress.

I started to have chronic back pain and after consulting it with a physicians, we started drilling down the various possibilities which might have contributed towards the back pain which I was going through, we thought of changing the mattress and try it for few weeks I am not sure if it was the medicines or the change in the mattress which let me back pain free, I feel the Nectarsleep* memory foam mattress did the trick for me :slight_smile:

Choose the mattress wisely.

Yesterday, I came across your website while Googled for mattress info. I love this site! My husband and I are looking to purchase the King size 12" Nature’s Spa 1980 Celestial by Paramount @ Macy’s. My husband (height 5’7" 162 lb BMI ~25) has back & hip pains and I (5’1" 115 lb BMI ~ 22) have shoulder bursitis. We like the firmness and support of the mattress but we are not sure if the mattress has the right latex/foam components for long term durability and comfort. The sale person said the mattress has Talalay Latex at least 1-2". It has the 5" coil-free, soy-based core that is CentriPUR-US Certified, Natural Latex, Macy’s Exclusive Healing Copper Infused Latex, High Density comfort and support foams, Natural cashmere surface, and Thermal gel treated BCI stretch knit cotton fabric provides a cooler sleeping surface. I don’t know how to attached an image here so I am listing out the specifications:
Warranty: 10 years,
Foundation: 10 Slat Amish Built foundation,
Coil Support: High Density Support Base Foam,
LO PRO Height: 5",
Box Height: 9",
Mattress Height: 12",
Comfort Layers: Foam Core, HD Comfort Topper, HD Comfort Topper (yes they list out twice), Macy’s Exclusive Blended Copper Infused Latex,
Quilt: Comfort Quilting Foam, Comfort Quilting Foam, Comfort Quilting Foam, Macy’s Exclusive Cashmere & Wool Blend,
Cover: BCI Stretch Cotton,
Comfort Level: Extra Firm.
We are not sure how thick or how much density are these latex or foam and the sale person does not know either. The July4th sale is $2,847 + tax. Is this the right mattress for us with the listed specs and price?

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Thanks Phoenix for your detailed response. I very much appreciate it.

I did not think about it that way, that makes a lot of sense.

Thanks. I believe it’s the semi-flex 9" (standard height) “regular” box spring. If I go for a new mattress, I’ll probably get rid of this and buy something new recommended by the manufacturer.

Interesting and thanks for pointing this out! I was not aware of this. Perhaps I missed it in the articles. I thought I saw configurations on some experts’ sites where a soft layer is beneath a firm layer. I was under the impression that the ILD increases with firmness.

Thanks for the tip!

Thanks again and I’ll probably narrow down and start asking the experts in their respective categories or by phone!

[b]Hi Phoenix, wasn’t sure where to post this. Me [18 BMI side sleeper] and my wife [22BMI side and back sleeper] are looking at either getting the KAYA or the Brentwood Home Ojai and our weight total (together) is 254lbs.

Which mattress has better specs, the Ojai or the KAYA?[/b]

Specifications for KAYA:
Cover – Seamless, ThermoGel Infused Cover
Top layer – Responsive HD Foam, 1’’ 5-PCF (Pounds Per Cubic Foot)[/li]
2nd layer – Memory Foam, 2’’ 4-PCF.
3rd layer – Transition Foam, 1’’ 2-PCF
Pocketed Coils Base Layer: 6’’ 1,000+ premium-grade steel pocketed coils, laying on top of a 1’’ 1.8-PCF stabilizing foam layer.

Brentwood Home Ojai specs:
Tencel Stretch Knit Cover (hand-tufted)

New Zealand Wool
1 ounce per square foot of OEKO-TEX® Standard 100 certified naturally crimped wool.
Wool Volume: 1.2 ouces/sq ft.

1.5-Inch Flo Foam
CertiPUR-US Certified Flo Foam
Density: 4lb/ft3, ILD: 12

1.5-Inch Gel Memory Foam
Density: 4lb/ft3, ILD: 10

1-Inch Natural Latex
All natural and free of synthetic ingredients. Our latex made with the Dunlop process.
Density: 4.0lb/ft3

8-inch Individually Wrapped Base Coils
Quantum Edge Combi-Zone base coils are strategically positioned to provide support to the hips, back, and shoulders. Reinforced coils around the perimeter keep the edges rigid and supportive.
Queen Coil Count: 1130
The coil unit is zoned in 4 sections, with 14 gauge coils in the head and foot portion of the mattress and 17 gauge in the middle, and edge coils that are 16 gauge.

[b]For the KAYA, should I be concerned about the 1.8lb PCF stabilizing foam layer beneath the pocket coils? Also, are there any other layers I should be worried about?

For the Brentwood Ojai, I also noticed there is no mention of a base layer above or below the coils however the coil count is higher.

What are your thoughts?[/b]