I have spent a lot of time on the forums and learned a lot. But I am having a really hard time narrowing this down. Not even sure if what I think is right for us, is in fact right for us.
We have a Bob-O-Pedic mattress that is about 8 years old. Cheap furniture store knock off “Thermopedic”. We really liked it when we got it. But it’s sagging. We are ready to spend the money on a good Latex mattress now that will last a long time.
We are both approachign 40 years old. I am 5’8, 155, Stomach sleeper primarily. Sometimes I beat myself up on the “farm” here and irritate my lower back. When it gets bad, I end up having to sleep on my back for a few days or else my back does not recover. My wife is 5’4 probably weighs 150 or so? She is a side sleeper.
I feel as though a firmer bed is better for me. My wife wants a softer bed. When she lays on a firmer mattress (on her side) she can feel that her back is tweaked a little and when she is on a more plush mattress, she seems to line up better.
We live in Southern NH. We went to Gardner mattress in Mass to test drive. Sales guy had all kinds of info on how great Gardner is, but did not know density or many specifics about the components. They had a 9" 100% talalay latex “Organic Harmony” bed there they he called “Medium” and my wife immediately said it was way too stiff. I kinda liked it the best. We tried their “Soft Support”(pocketed coils w/latex topper) and my wife liked the one that had the 3" talalay top. I preferred the same one but with a 2" talalay top because it was firmer and I did not feel like my center section was dipping into the mattress when I laid on my stomach. Even if I agreed to the 3" version, my wife did not fall in love with it, she just said it was her favorite from that store and wants to continue shopping. We probably should go to another place to try other beds, but not sure of anything that is good and also close to us in the seacoast NH area.
I have seen a lot of online sellers that I was tempted to try. Zenhaven, Nest, SleepEZ, but I really wish there was a way to try them somewhere. Then I get to thinking that just trying them for 10 minutes is probably useless. What are typically the best options that make for the best possible sleep for a stomach sleeper and a side sleeper?
We don’t like springs a whole lot but could be convinced still if it is a good choice for the long run. And the memory foams that we have been on seem to sink more then we would like. Plus the whole durability thing. I would really like to get something that will hold up for a long time. Any advice or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated!
There’s more information about popular levels of plushness for different sleeping positions in this article. It is common for side sleepers to prefer a bit more surface plushness, but this of course varies with the individual, their particular needs, somatotype, levels of flexibility, strength, sensitivities, pre-existing conditions, and so on. Stomach sleeping, which is the least recommended and “weakest” sleeping posture, generally requires a bit of a harder surface comfort.
Gardner mattress is a site member here, and I do think highly of their products, their knowledge and the quality of their advice. When looking at the latex mattresses you were considering, you wouldn’t rate them by density. Latex (specifically Talalay) is described by ILD, and when you are testing a mattress locally then disclosing “comfort specs” such as ILD/IFD isn’t really necessary or even an important part of transparency because with careful testing your body will tell you much more about whether any specific combination of layers or components or any specific mattress is a good “match” for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) than knowing the ILD/IFD of the individual layers regardless of what the actual numbers may be. In other words … I would consider ILD/IFD information to be a legitimate part of what many manufacturers consider to be “proprietary” information and it would be completely meaningless and only add to the confusion for most consumers anyway. You’d want to know about the latex layers on the inside, whether it is Talalay or Dunlop, and if it is natural, blended or synthetic. But overall you’d want to trust you impression of the product as it rates to your PPP more than anything, as most latex you’re likely to encounter will tend to be a good quality and durable material.
It definitely seems that you are leaning toward a bit of a firmer feeling product and your wife a bit more plush, which would make sense based upon “averages” for people who sleep upon their stomach and side. One thing you may wish to consider moving forward would be a latex configurable mattress where you may have a firmer and softer feel on the left and right side of the same mattress.
You can perform a forum search on major towns in your area and see what other businesses have been discussed in that region which may be helpful to you.
I have discontinued the provision of listings of potential retailers in various geographic regions (unless they are already approved site members), because of the difficulty in maintaining such lists in a retail landscape that is constantly changing, and most importantly the confusion it was creating with the consumer members who incorrectly assumed that these businesses had indeed gone through the strict vetting and qualification process that is part of becoming an approved member of The Mattress Underground. Such an assumption is unfair to both the consumers seeking assistance, as well as the very businesses and manufacturers who have indeed qualified the be members here of The Mattress Underground.
Whatever business you’re considering, I would always confirm that any retailer or manufacturer that you wish to visit is completely transparent (see this article) and also make sure that any mattress that you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here.
If you have any questions about specifications or certain products you discover, feel free to post back on the forum and I’ll do my best to be assistive. And in case you haven’t read it yet, you may wish to browse through the mattress shopping tutorial here, as it provides quite a bit of good information about shopping for a mattress.
Testing out a mattress in person, even for 10 minutes, can actually tell you quite a bit about your personal preferences for certain comforts and materials, as you did discover in your most recent visit to Gardner.
When you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs, options, and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else. Post #2 here and this topic have more about the pros and cons of a local vs an online purchase.
We went to a local Savvy dealer today and tried out some different configurations. It was a worthwhile trip! The Savvy Serenity 10" (3x3" layers of Dunlop) was our favorite. If we end up buying, then on my side the bottom and middle layer would be FIRM and the top layer would be SOFT. Then on my wifes side she likes a FIRM bottom layer and then SOFT for the top 2 layers. This is also good, because we will get the top layer as 1 solid piece so there will be less tendency to feel a gap. The only think we did not like was the price. It’s about $3000. I think if it was $2000 then we would have bought it on the spot, but an extra thousand bucks kicked us into the “let’s think about it” column.
I am in the process of trying to find something else of similar quality and feel for a lower price. From what I have read, Savvy is pricey, but they were close by and it’s right in line with what we are hoping to get so we went to try.
I don’t wan’t to just cheap out and buy a lower quality item. But if I can find a similar quality product at a considerably lower price then I think we would probably go that route.
I see that SleepEZ is well regarded and has a very similarly configurable latex product. But I do see that their ILD ratings are not quite the same and we fear that buying without trying first might be a mistake. It’s over $1000 savings though and they have free pillows as a kicker right now too.
I guess my questions are: 1)How does SleepEZ Organic Dunlop (3x3") compare to the Serenity as far as quality? 2) Who else sells a similar product with high value?
The Dunlop in the Savvy Rest mattresses is from Coco-Latex and is 100% Natural. In the past, they’ve provided information that their soft is in the ILD range of 22-30, the medium is in the ILD range 31-39, the firm is in the ILD range of 40+.
SleepEZ uses good quality materials, and they do offer Dunlop latex that is 100% Natural. They are familiar with the Savvy Rest product (as are many other component-style latex manufacturers), so I would phone them directly with the configurations that you tested and liked and ask them for their suggestions, You are correct that unless all of the layers (and even the covering) are exactly the same, you will achieve a slightly different feel. The good news is that you’re considering something that uses good quality and durable materials, and it is possible to find something that is “in the range” of what you tested and liked.
While of course not a complete listing of all component-style manufacturers (maintaining such a list and offerings would be beyond the scope of this forum), there are other site members listed here who also offer component latex systems, as you requested you were curious about.
