Hi Phoenix,
I finally had the opportunity to try a couple of different mattress stores out over the holiday break (still sleeping on an air bed though which is starting to get quite uncomfortable). I’d like to get your advice on a couple of things before I put in a final order, if that’s ok? But before doing that, here’s some information on my most recent visits.
On the list of stores provided in the last series of messages, I narrowed down my visit in San Francisco to “The Natural Mattress Store”. After calling around, I discovered they had about 30 mattresses on display for me to test. I focused on their latex “Eco-Cloud” line called “Awareness”, which as you say, are quite expensive. The names aren’t that important, I just put them in here for reference - I tried out three of the Awareness mattresses, what they call medium, soft, and very soft. Each mattress is 9 inches thick, with 3 layers of 3 inches of latex each. The specs are as follows:
Medium mattress -
Top layer: Talalay, 22-28 ILD
Middle layer: Dunlop, 25-30 ILD
Bottom layer: Dunlop 40-49 ILD
Soft
Top layer: Talalay, 15-21 ILD
Middle layer: Dunlop, 25-30 ILD
Bottom layer: Dunlop 40-49 ILD
Very soft
Top layer: Talalay, 15-21 ILD
Middle layer: Talalay, 22-28 ILD
Bottom layer: Dunlop 35-39 ILD
Lots of interesting things to say about these configurations - but my major observation was that I preferred their medium model (going back to my old posts on this thread, you’ll recall my shoulder and neck issues, so I was thinking (as I was in other posts) that I would prefer the soft). After laying on my side for 15 mins or so, the medium seemed to hurt my shoulder the least. I still don’t fully understand why, but I’m guessing it may relate to what you mentioned earlier: on the softer mattresses, I’m sinking in to the next layer which is firmer. FWIW, they all felt like great mattresses. Only problem was the price (as you mentioned in your blurb) at $3200 for a king mattress.
That visit is what I needed though to visit Patrick at Community Mattress. Patrick does not have much of a display area - he has one or two latex mattresses on display. But he was great on the phone and when I showed up after an hour drive, he showed me around the “factory” a bit. It’s clear that Patrick has a formula that works, selling what he calls a “firm” latex mattress. I don’t recall the specs because I was more focused on getting something custom made. But he can make anything, so that’s great news.
So, this is where I would like to ask for some help. Based on what I found at the Natural Mattress store and Patrick’s ability to essentially custom build a full Talalay mattress, I wanted to see if you could help recommend a configuration. Patrick’s supplier can provide 6 or so different ranges of ILD Talalay latex levels, so there’s lots of flexibility. EDIT (to update numbers): Soft: 17-20, Medium Soft 21-24, Medium 25-28, Medium Firm 29-32, Firm 33-37, Extra Firm 38-42, and Extra Extra Firm 43+. So here’s what i was thinking, 3 layers of 3 inches each:
Top layer: Talalay, 22-28 ILD (eco-cloud) ==> Talalay, 21-24 ILD
Middle layer: Dunlop, 25-30 ILD (eco-cloud) ==> Talalay 25-28 ILD
Bottom layer: Dunlop 40-49 ILD (eco-cloud) ==> Talalay, 43+ ILD
I’m essentially just trying to replicate what I thought I liked in the eco-cloud as I don’t really have anything else to go on. What are your thoughts? Oh, one side note, I suppose on the middle layer, I could go a bit firmer since Dunlop tends to be firmer… but not sure. EDIT: My statement here is not completely accurate. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I’ve spent a lot of time trying to figure out what’s going to make the best mattress for me. I like the 3 layer differential construction with 3 inches in each layer because it is more customized - of course, getting it right is going to be tough (which is one of the reasons why I am here). Similar reasoning with Talalay over Dunlop, while more expensive, it should allow for a better-customized “fit”. Though that’s an open question on the lower layers as they’re more support and less about point elasticity.
Then, final question, Patrick said that he prefers to glue all the layers together because it keeps the mattresses together better and that way you prevent imprints from being formed over time in the mattress. What are your thoughts on that? I ask, because I’d prefer to get the layers put in separately in zipper cases that way after 6 months if I want to change one of the layers, I can just buy it and swap it out…
Thanks for all your help - I’m looking forward to sleeping on a real bed!