Pillow top + foam topper?

Hi everyone, I’m hoping to get some guidance on potential toppers to consider

I am 5’3, approx 140lb. I have a too firm memory foam mattress that I want to soften up a bit for shoulder pressure relief. I really love the feel of pillow top mattresses. I like to sleep on the mattress, not in it.

I tried the Sleep On Latex 2 inch soft topper, and I had probably the worst night sleep of my life last night. It was too hard for my shoulder, but too soft for my hips. I felt sunken in and stuck the whole night.

I’d like to stay around $400 if possible for a full sized topper that pillow top feel but also with some pressure relief. Does anyone know of a topper that might fit?

Also, having a good return policy is key in case it doesn’t work out.

I appreciate any guidance that can be offered!

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Hi Nmason,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground! Hopefully we can help you find a solution.

Your experience with the Sleep On Latex topper is interesting. It seems like you’re looking for a little more pressure relief at the shoulders without allowing your hips to sink too far. Unfortunately, those two goals don’t always go hand in hand when you’re dealing with a conventional topper.

Most toppers will compress according to the amount of weight and pressure applied to them, but they don’t necessarily provide the same level of support to every area of the body. This is one reason why a zoned topper may be worth considering. By varying the firmness in different areas, it may be possible to provide additional cushioning at the shoulders while maintaining better support through the midsection. For most things, I prefer less zoning, but your situation may be one that may be inviting it.

One option you might want to look at is the Helix ErgoAlign topper. It is designed with softer areas around the shoulders and legs and firmer support through the middle. It certainly isn’t the only option available, but it may be worth investigating given what you’ve described.

Of course, there’s no guarantee that it will be a good match for you. The topper will need to work in combination with your existing mattress, and your sleeping position and body proportions will also play a role.

I’ve often found that the challenge with toppers is that solving one problem can sometimes create another. You can add enough softness to relieve pressure at the shoulders, for example, but if the topper allows your hips to sink too far, you may end up trading one discomfort for another.

Since a good return policy is important to you, I’d make sure to review the terms carefully before purchasing.

One question that might help narrow things down: are you primarily a side sleeper, or do you also spend a fair amount of time sleeping on your back?

That would be helpful to know before suggesting any other options.

Additionally, the issues you’re experiencing may not be caused by the mattress or topper alone. We always encourage folks to check their bed frame and take a look at the slat width, spacing, and thickness to make sure the mattress is properly supported, even when you think it is.

How your sheets fit is another factor worth considering, as overly tight sheets can affect how a mattress and topper conform to your body. And finally, there’s your pillow. Side sleepers, for example, generally need a higher-loft pillow to help keep the head and neck properly aligned and avoid unnecessary pressure around the shoulder area by preventing it from grinding into a firmer mattress.

As we like to say, everything between you and the floor matters**.** So, while you’re trying to resolve the issue, it’s worth investigating all these areas rather than focusing exclusively on the mattress or topper.

If you make any changes, I’d suggest doing them one at a time. That way, you can better determine what’s helping, what’s not, and avoid introducing another variable into the equation.

All the best,

Maverick

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Thank you for all of this! I will certainly check out the Helix topper you suggested

As for my sleep style, I like to sleep on my side. I tend to role to my back if I am uncomfortable.

That is also a good point about checking all the supports - could you direct me to a resource here to make sure I have all the proper foundations?

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The standard philosophy I recommend is to look beyond what a mattress manufacturer may allow for warranty purposes. There is a difference between meeting the minimum requirements for a warranty and providing the best possible support for your mattress over the long run.

You may not always purchase your next mattress from the same manufacturer, so I prefer tighter tolerances and a more robust foundation from the start. A mattress is only as good as the support underneath it.

For slats, I generally recommend:

  • Under 3" of spacing, with 2.5" being even better.
  • 2–3" in width.
  • 3/4"–1" thick or more.

Of course, the type of wood matters as well. The more rigid the slats, the less flexing and bowing you’ll have under load, which helps prevent the foundation from compromising the support of the mattress.

As far as a quality box foundation goes, the Mattress Foundations Terra Foundation is a good benchmark to look at. There are certainly plenty of other options, including complete bed frames with robust slats and good overall construction.

My advice is always to err on the side of a more substantial foundation rather than cutting corners here. It’s one of those things that can make a real difference in how well your mattress is supported over time. Just be sure to check the specific requirements of whichever mattress you ultimately choose. This video about foundations presented by @SDMattressMakers in general is great learning tool to understand the different types of foundations and when appropriate to use them and when not to.

Maverick

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Thank you! I actually have all of those points as my foundations, and the base mattress is brand new

For topper recommendations besides latex or Helix, are there other more responsive/sleep on/ or pillow top style toppers you can recommend? It seems like beyond latex most are the sink in foam type

I appreciate the help!

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Given your preference for a more responsive feel, there are a couple of other options you might want to investigate.

One would be the TitanFlex topper from @BrooklynBedding . Although it is a synthetic foam rather than latex, it is designed to provide a more responsive, buoyant feel than traditional memory foam, basically a latex alternative topper. If you prefer sleeping on the mattress rather than feeling enveloped by it, this may be worth considering. Of course, the firmness and thickness will still play a role in how well it accommodates your shoulders while keeping your hips properly supported.

Another possibility, if you’re still open to latex, would be to look at Turmerry’s zoned latex toppers. These offer a different approach by varying the firmness in different areas, potentially providing more give around the shoulders while maintaining greater support elsewhere. Since your experience with the Sleep On Latex topper was mixed, I wouldn’t rule out latex altogether, as different constructions and zoning can produce quite different results.

If neither of those options seems to fit what you’re looking for, another avenue would be to speak with @CST. They have experience with highly zoned latex mattress designs and may be able to discuss a modular layer configuration that allows the zoning to be placed more precisely where you need it. I dont remember seeing a topper specifically with a modular configuration on their website, but I would bet since they can configure mattress layers this way and should be able to configure a topper for your needs. That could be particularly interesting in your case, given that you’re experiencing pressure at the shoulders while finding too much give around the hips.

I’d consider that a more customized approach, rather than the first place to start, but it may be worth exploring if a more conventional topper doesn’t give you the balance you’re after.

As always, I’d check the return terms before purchasing any topper, particularly since you’ve already had one experience that didn’t work out as hoped. The goal is to find enough cushioning for your shoulders without sacrificing the support you need through your hips.

Hope this helps,

Maverick