Searching again - after more than 18 months. I need softness, but with support

I’m back again looking for tips or maybe assessment. Not very adept at navigating this forum; hoping I can post this. And - I’m not sure exactly how long since I began my mattress search, but I think it’s been 18 months or more.

I have been sleeping on latex for this past year, trying different layer configurations. I weigh around 215-220. The layers are from bottom up: Firm Dunlop/Medium Dunlop/Medium Talalay/Medium Dunlop. The medium Talalay is soft.

My heavy hip area feels like it is in a serious dip. (I do sleep with the head inclined.) When I try the layers with the 2 medium dunlop on top, it feels uncomfortably firm to me.

I added a (Bdeus) foam topper. I prefer the feel of this foam to the latex. But the extreme dip problem is still there as the topper “craters” under my weight.

Is there no solution for me since I really need the soft feel next to me, but need enough underlying support so that I’m not lying in a crater?

Tips or ideas appreciated.

@Arizona_Premium

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Interesting. Will be following as i weigh the same as you. I was considering a combi zone coil spring with a medium dunlop on top.

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What is the ILD for the “Medium” Talalay?

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From the website: Talalaymedium (28 ILD)
Dunlop medium is also 28 ILD. But the Talalay medium is definitely softer.

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#28 should be the right fit so I’m not sure where to go with this other than up to a #32 Talalay.

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I am not a fan of talaylay at all. Dunlop feels better to me. Talaylay is too light and bouncy.

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Hi @seldel

I’m sorry for the trouble you’re experiencing. I’d encourage you to consider a hybrid mattress construction, one that utilizes pocketed-coil springs with latex foam. In my career, I’ve found that this construction type outperforms all others in its ability to:

1- Provide the ideal combination of both comfort and support. In my experience, all foam mattresses excel at providing comfort or support, but struggle to provide a balance of both.

2- Hybrids maximize airflow (especially hybrids like ours, that don’t use foam encasement). Airflow reduces the excess buildup of heat and achieves better temperature management.

3- Hybrids are generally more affordable than all-foam options of comparable quality.

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I do appreciate everyone taking the time to read and comment. It sure is a dilemma for me. I don’t know where to go either. I am sleeping with the memory foam on top. But it is the latex build that is hammocking, causing the topper to crater.

I will say @EthicalMattress (first thank you, but) when I first shopped I asked for a hybrid because it was the support that had given way in my much loved Dream Bed LUX LX710 mattress. (If only I hadn’t let them take it away, with what I know now I believe I could have removed and replaced that failed layer).

I did purchase a hybrid (some locally made 14") for which I was allowed a ‘comfort exchange’. Finding no other choice in the small shop, I took in exchange a Helix Midnight - way too firm.
Having had those 2 experiences plus looking up the construction of the bed that worked for me, I have taken ‘hybrid’ off my list. Not to say it might work for me in the right combo.

In reading extensively on this site, latex is highly recommended. Everything said about it sounds reasonable and right. But when I put the memory foam on top of it all, I liked the feel better. I just don’t know how to go about finding the right combination of support with the softness I need to be comfortable.

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I can appreciate that you had a couple of negative experiences with previous hybrids, but I’d encourage you not to rule out an entire category of product based on that narrow sample size.

In my experience, the solution you’re seeking is at least as likely to be achieved by a hybrid than an all-foam mattress, and quite possibly more likely. It sounds like maybe there is a limited ability for you to see a broad range of choices in your area? If so, you might want to explore options to expand the range of products you can see and try out first hand… perhaps making a special trip to a nearby city, or maybe working a shopping expedition into some upcoming work or vacation travel?

Happy to chat further if you want to give us a call, but otherwise I wish you all the best in your search! :slight_smile:

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Okay, I can appreciate that. (Actually the mattress I loved was supported by “octaspring technology”…which apparently worked well for me until they collapsed.)

I live in Nashville where mattress stores seem to be a dime a dozen. I have visited stores and spent time trying mattresses. But what I have learned is those impressions don’t count for much after spending a few nights on a mattress. Then I’m stuck with another expensive mistake.

I do appreciate your input and suggestions.

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Ahhh…okay, that explains a lot!

The “octaspring” isn’t actually a spring. It is a piece of foam that’s been cut into a cylinder shape to look sort of like a spring, but it does not perform or behave like a spring, does not feel like a spring, and does not have the durability of a spring. Essentially, it is a marketing gimmick, and while I’ve very sorry you had a negative experience with that product, I’m not very surprised.

Under the circumstances, I’d again encourage you to consider a true hybrid mattress. In my 25 years of experience in this industry, hybrid mattresses made with pocketed-coil innersprings and latex foam provide the best combination of comfort, support and temperature management.

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Oh my experience was not negative with the Dormeo-made mattress. If I could find that same mattress somewhere left in a warehouse I would buy it again and be giddy that I had found it. I so wish I had not let them take it away after it failed. I think now I would remove the failed layer and replace it. Whatever the foam on the surface was I would try to duplicate it now. I realize the “octaspring” foam would reasonably have to fail at some point. But it was the most wonderfully comfortable mattress I’ve ever had - for 5 years. And another thing I loved about it was the zip-off cover which I kept and am now using with my latex layers. It is silky and stretchy. The “organic cotton” cover that came with the latex mattress was never comfortable to me…too thick and non-stretchy.
At this point I have no interest in “organic”. I need sleeping comfort.

The reason I don’t order from Dormeo is I can’t be sure it would be the same as the Dream Bed LX 710. And Dormeo has very bad reviews on Trust Pilot for not living up to their return policy. They do seem to be gimmicky as you point out.

My organic latex layers are only just over a year-and-a-half old. I was never happy with the comfort, and have spent a lot of time and effort trying different arrangements of the layers - finally adding the memory foam topper. I like the mf topper feel better except that it deeply craters because the latex layers below bottom out. Yet I can not tolerate a firm surface.

It seems my personal likes are mostly opposite the wisdom on this forum that lends toward latex.
I feel like overall my experience has shown me that I prefer the comfort of ‘memory’ foam. I just don’t know how to find the right combination of the comfort of “give” on surface, but with enough support below it to keep me from the pain of different parts of my body dipping into different zip codes.

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Hi SeldeI, thought I would jump in here with some observations. I completely understand where you’re coming from. Comfort really does rule the roost, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with preferring the feel that works for you rather than what happens to be popular in a particular forum. Your experience with the Dormeo Dream Bed LX 710 makes a lot of sense to me. What you loved was not a gimmick to you, it was a feel profile, although even I felt the presentation of octaspring, in and of itself is a bit on the gimmickry side. Then again, who isnt these days. But you liked it and that is what matters. You responded to that deep, pressure-relieving surface and the stretchy, conforming cover that allowed the comfort layers to really contour to your body.

If what you are missing is that “sink in and feel held” sensation, but with proper support underneath so you do not get that dipping into different zip codes feeling, then something like the Tempflow Conforma from @Tempflow may be a very reasonable direction to consider. The Conforma uses higher density, slow response memory foams that are designed to give you that classic contouring effect similar to what you enjoyed in the Dormeo. At the same time, it is built with a more supportive underlying structure so you are less likely to experience the bottoming out that you ran into when combining a memory foam topper with softer latex layers.

I also think your comments about the cover are important. A thick, non-stretch organic cotton cover can absolutely change the feel of a mattress and make it seem firmer and less conforming. A stretch knit cover allows the comfort layers to respond more freely and often feels much closer to what people describe as that silky, contouring surface. That detail alone can make a meaningful difference in overall comfort.

Your hesitation about ordering from Dormeo again is understandable, especially if you are unsure the current models would match the old Dream Bed LX 710 or if you are concerned about return policies. The Conforma would not be an exact clone, but it follows the same principle you clearly prefer, which is prioritizing pressure relief and surface comfort while maintaining enough deep support to keep your spine aligned.

At the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with discovering that you prefer memory foam over latex. Durability discussions are important, but they do not override personal comfort. You deserve a mattress that feels right to you, and based on everything you have shared, a well built memory foam system like the @Tempflow Conforma seems much more aligned with your actual experience and preferences.

I would recommend you have a conversation with them about how the 710 matches up with their Conforma, and how they may compare comfort wise. They also offer a 120 night trial and a 40 year limited warranty.

Hope this helps.

Maverick

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Thanks Maverick for that confirming and informative feedback. It kind of gets my hopes up.

Although I am by now well aware of the fact that descriptions mean different things when it comes to ‘the feel’. I am still baffled when I think of my own likes…i.e. I would describe the feel of latex as being “soft and contouring yet with some bounce back” - which sounds like exactly what I would like - but it never has been. It has been tolerable - more or less at different times. And despite having an air conditioned home, the weather still makes a difference. Also I don’t understand why the latex has “bottomed out” for me as I am using the combination recommended for my weight. I do sleep usually with the adjustable head inclined - which seems to have me sitting “in a hole”.

I spent some time reading about different types of foam here under “Understand Your Mattress”, which says some types of foam are not as affected by temperature as others. That seems very relevant to my current discomfort as the weather is changing from freezing temps to warmer -and I sink deeper into the foam topper.

As for the Tempflow recommendation, I have briefly checked out their site. The expense - especially added to my mistakes - would stretch me. But the hassle of getting a new mattress/hoping it is ‘the one’ - again - gives me pause. Still, if experts could look at the build/specs of my beloved LX 710 mattress and give a comparable recommendation that would make me very hopeful indeed. And trusting they do stand by their trial/return option.

Thanks again.

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The research I did led me to the Templow Conforma (which is comparable to the Tempur-Pedic Adapt, which should be close to the feel of the LX 710). @Tempflow, Dr. Rick will likely be able to narrow this right down for you. I would not do anything until you speak with him as he created this mattress and the concept of a memory foam mattress with airflow channels, much like the concept of the Dormeo function should place you where you want to be.

Yes, it would seem reasonable that the feel of latex might be what you like, but there is more push back than you might be able to handle. Then if you go to a very soft latex, you could bottom out. I am certain @Arizona_Premium could come up with a combo that would be satisfactory, but the reality is, if you like memory foam, that is your thing. No apologies for that. Of course there are some that place a layer of wool in the quilting above the latex which will create its own feel too. But you like what you like.

Yes, weather makes a difference. Most showrooms that offer memory foam, keep the area cool or cold, as it keeps the memory foam firmer. Until you get home and keep a warm house.

Dr. Rick is excellent, speak with him first.

Maverick

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