Hi, I just discovered this site and I’m so impressed with the amount of information available in helping one be able to somewhat wade through all the types/choices to be made in one’s search. I recently bought an Amerisleep Liberty (2weeks ago) and was satisfied for the first week then my hips started to hurt. Feels like there is something bunching up under them(there isn’t really). I’m a male 5’11, 220Lbs. My wife is in love with the mattress, she’s 5’8, 138 Lbs… I’m not sure if the mattress is too firm or if I’m bottoming out the comfort layer. Well we have some time to go before we decide to try something else or keep this one. To try and relieve my discomfort I’ve purchased a foam topper for now. I haven’t tried it yet but will tonight. I thought I had done enough research before buying but fell into the review trap and that’s not to say that the mattress is bad, it seems well constructed and nice looking. The amount of mattress mfg/sale places(websites) is staggering. I went on the Certipur website and looked at the list of certified Mfg. and started wading through them out of curiosity, Too much to digest. OSO sleep really caught my eye, very interesting concept at a good price point. Now I’m just rambling, lol. Well thanks for this site and I’ll be a regular visitor now.
Welcome to the Mattress Forum! Redlion. Funny because I was about to post a very similar thread. I am very impressed with the amount of knowledge the users of this forum have to offer. It also made me realize that I just didn’t do quite enough research before I made the move in purchasing my first online mattress. I started with a Casper as they had a pop-up shop in my area. However, after trying this for a about a month I really didn’t feel like I was adjusting to the latex feel as I didn’t feel enough support/pressure relief and it felt strange that the bed was not conforming to my body. My next bed was a Leesa and although this was slightly more comfortable, perhaps because I am more use to foam, I felt the bed did not feel very substantial as it felt very cheap. So rather than pull the trigger on my next bed, I realized I should probably do a little more research before I made my next purchase.
Hi redliondog and SleepyAl,
Welcome to the Mattress Forum! 
It sounds like you both are in a similar situation, so to assist you in making a better informed choice in the future, the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well he will sleep), durability (how long he will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).
Nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will “feel” for someone else or whether it will be a good “match” in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress, so outside of PPP (which is the most important part of “value”), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t see or “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.
When you can’t test a mattress in person (you both mentioned online options that you’ve tried) then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or to other mattresses that they are familiar with than anyone else.
A good online retailer or manufacturer will generally make suggestions that they honestly believe have the best chance of success based on the information you provide them when you talk to them on the phone because this is in both your own and their best interests but again … at the end of the day the only way to know for certain whether any specific mattress is a good match for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP will be based on your own careful testing and/or your own personal experience so if you can’t test a specific mattress in person then the options you have available after a purchase to either exchange the mattress or individual layers or components or return the mattress for a refund (and any costs involved) would generally become a more important part of your personal value equation just in case a mattress you purchase doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for.
Of course if an online retailer or manufacturer only sells one mattress then that’s the only one they can suggest (although some may have different firmness levels that they can help you choose between) so they will generally suggest trying it and then sending it back if it’s not “good enough” for you to keep (assuming that they have a good trial period and return policy).
If you’re still interested in shopping online, this link will direct you to many of the members of this site who offer items online. They are knowledgeable, transparent and offer items using high-quality componentry, and compete well with the best in the industry.
I would be more cautious with Amerisleep because they tend to use some lower quality materials than I would normally suggest in the durability guidelines.
OSO Sleep is another recent launch that has a somewhat unusual design. It contains a 1.5" layer of blended Talalay latex on top of a 1.5" layer of 2.0 lb polyfoam as a transition layer and a 6" 2.0 lb polyfoam base layer. The base layer has a cutout under the shoulders and upper torso that contains 3" Reverie dreamcell cylinders which are made from 70% natural/30% synthetic latex which creates a softer zone under the shoulders and upper torso which can be beneficial for side sleepers especially because the shoulders are generally wider and lighter than the hips and having a softer layer under the shoulders allows the shoulders to sink in more deeply which can improve pressure relief under the shoulders and also can also improve spinal alignment in the upper body. For those that either need or prefer more firmness under the shoulders and upper body then you can also rotate the mattress 180 degrees and then the softer zone would fall underneath the lower legs and calf where it will have no effect on the shoulders or upper body alignment and would be similar to a single zone mattress. These are all good quality and durable materials and there are no weak links in the mattress relative to any weight range. The discount code for the $50 discount that they offer to the members of the forum is “Underground”
As you’re already well aware, while other people’s comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful … I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else’s suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words … reviews or other people’s experiences in general won’t tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or “value” of a mattress for any particular person.
I’ll be interested in learning about the progress you both make.
Phoenix
Hi, thanks for the response, Looking at OSO beds I’m a little hesitant about only 1.5" of 14-16 ILD super soft latex and 1.5" of polyfoam at 2#. At my BMI I"m concerned about bottoming out the comfort layer. I inquired about the ILD of the revtech foam and did not get any answer except it is made by reverie. Another interesting bed is Juna sleep where I also inquired about the foam and latex values but have not heard back yet. I’m pretty sure the Amerisleep bed has to go. Can’t imagine having to doctor up a new bed in order to be pain free. I’d like to stay at approx. the price point of 1000-1500. Lots of real expensive beds out there.
Hi redliondog,
The OSO is a bit of a unique bed in that is uses latex “Dreamcell springs” in the upper third area of the base of the mattress. The theory is that this area allows you to sink in a bit more. especially if you sleep on your side, and you can spin the mattress so that the latex springs are located either under your shoulders or your hips, depending upon your individual needs and preferences. With this different design, all of the layers work together, but in a bit of a different manner than other mattresses, so your concerns would best be addressed with a phone call to OSO and express your concerns. When purchasing something online that you can’t test, it’s important to learn in advance of any exchange/return policy, and OSO does have a 101 night promise guarantee for a refund if needed.
In general, the thickness of a mattress or the number of layers or the thickness of any individual layers inside it is really just a side effect of the design and the design goals of a mattress and the thickness of any individual layers or the complete mattress is also only one of many variables that can affect the feel and performance of a mattress relative to any particular person (see post #2 here) and by itself isn’t particularly meaningful (see post #2 here). In some cases higher weight ranges (or a higher BMI) will sometimes do better with a mattress that is thicker than lower weight ranges or a lower BMI (see post #14 here for more about the effect of thickness) but even this depends more on the specific design and combination of materials in the mattress and on how well your testing or personal experience indicates the mattress “as a whole” matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP than it does on just the thickness itself.
Reverie (OSO’s parent company) is a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them. I wouldn’t hesitate to phone them and ask their opinion based upon your BMI concerns.
Knowing the ILD/IFD of the deeper polyfoam layers in the mattress isn’t particularly meaningful and not an indicator of quality like density is. Many manufacturers will not disclose the ILD/IFD of their foams as “proprietary” information, even for online retailers. I would consider ILD/IFD information of these polyfoam to be a legitimate part of what many manufacturers consider to be “proprietary” information and it would be completely meaningless and only add to the confusion for most consumers anyway. The density would be the key thing to focus upon.
I’ll be interested to know if you get a reply and see what you find out. Specifically, you’d want to know the density of the 1.5" gel memory foam, the type/blend/ILD of the 2" latex layer, the density of the 1.5" Energex foam (which is a high-performance polyfoam) and the density of the 6" support core.
I should also add that their comments about “markups” on their site are also very misleading (other online sites do this as well - see this topic) and “normal” markups or margins are nowhere near what they are claiming they are.
I’ll look forward to learning about your progress.
Phoenix
Hi, thanks for the response. New turn, Ommage Sleep great deal, spoke with the owner, pure latex no blends, 10 " king mattress talalay foam 1600 all latex. Wow is this too good to be true.? All the bells and whistles, 100 night trial no shipping charges either way.
Hi redliondog,
By “pure latex” (there is no mattress made purely of latex) I’m guessing that you mean it is the 100% NR Talalay latex from Talalay Global that is used for this product. Assuming that this latex is used in the 6" core and the 2" upper layers, this mattress would seem to be made of very high quality materials and it looks like they currently have a promotion that makes their prices lower. So it seems that there would be no weak links in their componentry.
Phoenix
Hi, thanks for the advice, and information. I just purchased a king luxury mattress from Ommage Sleep. The owner was very helpful and quite open about the business. I know it is somewhat of a chance because the company is new, but talking to the owner helped alleviate my concerns. Full NR tallalay. mattress assembled by R&S mattress in AZ, I was told. I will post when I receive it.
Hi redliondog,
Congratulations on your new mattress!
I’m looking forward to your comments once you receive your mattress and have had a chance to use it for a while.
Phoenix
Thats one of the problems with customer reviews, no matter how good the reviews are for a mattress, everybody has a preference and theres no guarantee you will like it as much as the reviewers did. Your kind of in a tough spot with this one. You don’t like it but your wife does. good luck with that one.