I am sorry you are having difficulty finding the right combination of 1.8lb and 4.0lb memory foam. I assume you are looking for a queen size mattress? These companies are moving to lower density products mainly for cost reasons, they hope to de-spec the mattress and still keep it at a similar price, they also want to not communicate these changes as they know consumers will call them on it in forums like these.
A $900 queen with very good durability is actually a difficult product to find, as normal poly foam costs have risen in the past 3-4 years.
I know that that Ghostbed, as you can see on the Ghostbed TMU page has 2.0lb foam for the base and they use 4lb memory foam as a comfort layer in two of their three mattresses.
Thank you and let us know if you have more questions.
Welcome to our mattress forum :). No worries about the post, I moved it to its own thread, as it will be good to gather info here.
The M3 is still very new as it was only introduced in April 2019. As I peruse their website, I am seeing the same thing you are, by the photo it seems like they use different coils firmnesses as the base, and you can order 4 different firmnesses and one can do this for each side. Then its comfort layer and then cover…breathable, air flow, etc, etc.
So what are the specifications of these coils? Comfort layers? I click on the Certifications and Specifications and this is all I see:
[quote]CERTIFICATIONS
All foams are CertiPUR-US® certified:
○ Made with safe materials (no heavy metals, no formaldehyde)
○ No harmful odors or emissions
○ Made without phthalates regulated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission[/quote]
I see from the photos that the comfort layer is micro coils in the middle and foam on each side of the micro-coils, but it is important to know what these are. Have you asked Bedgear? Or asked the retailer?
We at TMU would have a hard time seeing if there are any weak links without this information. Let us know if you find out any more spec from them.
Hi Sensei! Yes, sorry I forgot to mention it’s a Queen size.
Thank you for helping me out. It’s a shame that prices have risen and transparency has gone down the drain.
I was very interested in Ghostbed, but I ended up not liking how bouncy latex feels when I tried a few latex beds (which I saw Ghostbed seemed to have a more bouncier feel due to the top latex layer).
I actually prefer a slightly firmer memory foam but Zotto reviews said it was more on the medium side and got softer with use, so I didn’t end up getting it despite it having the best value.
I ended up going with Muse mattress because I was tired of emailing companies for their specifications and Muse was transparent on their website about the materials. They also had a firm option which seemed to have the most durable densities.
I hope it works out well! I’ll update if it doesn’t so other people are aware.
Thank you very much for all the information on this forum!
I am looking for a new queen mattress and would appreciate some advice.
I have owned around 4 different mattresses in the last 10 years, and every single one of them developed a sink (sometime visible, sometimes not) after only a few months. Right now I am sleeping on a IKEA MORGEDAL FIRM. I bought it 2 years ago, hopping that the firm version would avoid these sagging problems (the previous mattress I had was a very soft Sealy which sagged horribly), but after only a few months I noticed that the middle where I have been sleeping is much softer, which is now causing me lower back pain.
The physical mattress shops that are available to me are: mattress warehouse, mattress firm, Macy, Bob’s furniture. As I have learned by reading the posts and tutorials in this forum, all of these stores are not good as they only carry only big brands mattresses and dont have any detailed information about the quality of the layers (I asked for spec sheets or foam densities but did not get an answer in any of them). There is also what I believe to be a small, locally owned store. They carry 5 or so models, mostly by Eclipse. I could not find any details about this manufacturer, neither from the salesperson or the internet.
Thus, I think my best option is to buy a mattress online, from a place that offers a free return period.
I have been mostly searching the online stores listed in Part 2 and Part 3 of this thread.
I converged on these two: Luma Mattress ($922.50) and Kiss Mattress ($995.00).
The reason for these two is simply that they are “Suitable for all weight ranges.” according to that post.
While I am only 6 feet and ~ 175-190 lb, I am afraid, given my experience, of sagging. This is pretty much my number one concern in buying a mattress right now. I wonder therefore if the “slight caution if you are in a higher weight range” may apply to me as well.
Otherwise, I was also looking at Ghostbed, Bear mattress and maybe a few others.
I sleep mostly on my back and I think a mattress on the firmer side would be better.
I am a hot sleeper, and tend to sweat a lot at night if the room is not very cold. My understanding at first was that memory foam mattress are worse for heat retention. I was looking therefore at hybrid (foam-coil) mattresses, but I have also seen contradictory statements, suggesting the hybrids might be hotter than all foam. So now I am somewhat confused about that.
Finally, I may have to move in 3 or 4 years, and may have to get rid of this mattress so I sometimes wonder whether it makes sense to spend $1000 or more on a mattress only for a few years. However, with my experience, every mattress that I owned lost support in a matter of months. So I am ready to spend that much money, if only the mattress could last to me for 3 or 4 years.
I would appreciate any advice and any other good options that I may have missed.
Welcome to our mattress forum :). Thank you for your post, and well done with your research so far. Just FYI here is the link for Eclipse Mattress, this brand is owned by Bedding Industries of America.
Memory foams are well-known for sleeping hot issues compared to latex and innerspring/hybrid mattresses. Latex, in general, is also the most breathable and “temperature neutral” of all the different types of foam materials but the firmness of a mattress and how much you sink into it can also affect sleeping temperature as well. While it’s also not always possible to track down temperature regulation issues for any particular person on a specific mattress because there are so many variables involved (including your room temperature and humidity, your sheets and bedding and bedclothes, your mattress protector or any mattress pads you are using, and where you are in the “oven to iceberg” range) and some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with … there is more about tracking mattress temperature regulation issues potential causes ~ Post #2 here (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) and the posts it links to that may be helpful.
It looks like you are well on your way to finding one of the better online companies with your choices of Ghostbed, Luma, and Kiss Mattress, as these companies are all part of TMU’s Mattress membership listing. With these mattress manufacturer companies, we are confident they will provide and help you with the right specifications to avoid any sagging issues. It looks like you’ve read in our mattress durability guidelines, and as you can see your BMI is 23.7, which is less than the “Above 30” threshold where we would caution in terms of the foam durability and likelihood to wear much faster for higher BMI weight ranges. That being said, the Mattress manufacturers you mentioned are members of our site which have good quality/value mattress options that are very unlikely to develop sagging over time
Please let us know if you have any more questions, and we will also get to your post about foundations.
I went to the Eclipse website, but of course I could not find any information about the foam densities, etc to make a judgment about the quality.
I am thinking about removing it from consideration (which I already did) unless you have some good thoughts/knowledge about it?
Regarding the sagging issue, I guess I am just paranoid given my prior experience. My BMI is closer to 25 and can be a bit higher. My last (current) mattress, the IKEA MORGEDAL firm has a layer of 1.7 lb/cu.ft form, which lower than your recommended 1.8. Although 1.8 is where you still add a caution.
Now, the IKEA mattress started sagging after only a few months (3 maybe?). I am thinking, is 1.8 that much better than 1.7 so that I can be completely at ease?
For these reasons, I tried to avoid the mattress where you “add a slight caution”.
I think my situation is very similar to this post here
and I am curious what you have to say about it too!
You are very welcome. Noted on the Eclipse … I do not have any reason to convince you to keep on your list especially when there are so many other options, companies, and manufacturers being transparent and disclosing what is in their mattress. I understand your issue with sagging, and I don’t think it’s “paranoia”… along with mattress suitability, how long you will sleep well on a mattress is one of the most significant considerations in the purchase of a mattress for most people.
This really “depends” as there are so many manufacturers of polyfoam and other factors, such as formulation. This is why our cautions are guidance. For instance, IKEA has their own polyurethane pouring plants, and they buy 10’s of Millions of dollars of foam from many other manufacturers.
Given your past experience, it seems that you are already aiming in a good direction with looking at hybrid mattresses with coils and latex or foam for comfort layers … depending on the “trapped heat” factor you mentioned you could even possibly consider higher density memory foam, but you would need to thoroughly check that the temperature microclimate is appropriate for you.
Regarding the TMU link you posted, which of the consumer members in that particular thread were you comparing your situation to?
Thanks for letting me know. No worries at all, just let us know if you have any other questions about other mattresses or foundations. And feel free to update us if you decide on any particular products.
Brooklyn Bedding has a new bed, the Ecosleep. It’s a latex hybrid. I was curious about the ILDs and asked them. Just got a reply this evening and wanted to share the info.
Base to Top
1.5" Natural Latex 36ILD
6" Ascension Coils
1.5" Natural Latex 28ILD
1.5" Natural Latex 14ILD
Organic Cotton and Joma Wool Cover
Thank you for the update on the new Brooklyn Bedding Ecosleep mattress. I appreciate it! You are correct that the specifications show no weak links. Interesting to see that they are using latex for the foundational inch below the coils, not polyfoam as many companies do.
Did they happen to mention if the latex is Talalay or Dunlop process?
Its flippable That’s why there is latex below! They repeat that its 100% natural rainforest certified total latex but I don’t see them use the word Dunlop or Talalay anywhere.
My head hurts from reading and literally have gotten to the “paralysis by analysis” phase. Enjoy a latex bed but those at City Mattress (Pranasleep) are just too expensive (Samadhi and Wahe…even considered the “discounted” rack). Visited the Charles P Rogers showroom in NY, which provided a nice sleep but at $2600, I still was on the fence. Before that, favored a BeautyRest Black but found enough reviews suggesting to look elsewhere. Recently, I have been steered towards the Wink Plus bed but cannot find a showroom to try.
I am 6’1" 255#’s, so BMI over 30 (dieting and exercising, and down from 260#’s…still dropping). Currently on a queen, sleeping solo except my dog. Sleep on my back, primarily, and sleep hot. Did like the idea of wool but concerned about its longevity, so thinking more of a Talalay/Dunlop mix, as opposed to springs. Budget is in the $2000 range but more concerned with finding the bed best for my needs.
From what I understand, springs are better for isolation of movement, not much more. Am I understanding this correctly?
Sleeping on a queen, now, but thoughts of going full-size, for room. If I stayed queen, could it extend the life of a mattress, due to slightly more “sleeping area”? Had planned on building a slatted platform frame, so cost is not much difference between the 2. Only need to buy new sheets.
Ideal weight is around 210#’s - will I notice the difference in the feel of the bed, if I purchase based on my weight now? Have a 3" latex topper on it now but think bed is past it’s useful life. Basically asking if it would make more sense to get a different topper or even a “cheap” bed, to hold me over while I continue to lose weight (will take 6-9 months, at minimum).
Not sure the search parameter to use, looking for local manufacturers but live in 33461 zip code. Planning to visit Ghostbed sometime over the next few days, and frequent the Orlando area (32811), as well. That said, no concerns with driving 3-4 hours away, especially as I saw Fox Mattresses falls within that distance.
The information provided has been VERY beneficial but struggling to apply it to real world applications. The more I try to educate myself, the more confused I get, and therefore struggle to figure out even the questions to ask. Saw a note about the importance of pillows, something i sleep on about 60-70% of the time…not going to even begin tackling that idea!!!
Thanks in advance!
When I travel, stuck at certain locations because of 2 large dogs, and get 2 double beds in the room, which I have no problem with. Had taken the length in to consideration but thank you for the note.
That said, not noticing enough of a price difference to justify a smaller bed.
Once you start gathering the knowledge to make an informed purchase is quite rare to not enter a “paralysis by analysis” phase…maybe we should have some kind of 5 stages of grief for mattress purchasing It will start making sense once you match the theory with the field testing and decide on the “must-have” mattress features. There are many variables that are interconnected and it is difficult to discriminate and arrange them in the order of importance for your own needs and preferences which are very unique to you. The mattress buying personal value equation may help to decide between your options. Yes, the Prana is quite expensive.
Depends on the springs … You are correct that pocket coils are the most motion isolating type of springs. Traditional innerspring mattresses are notorious for motion transfer issues for “light” or more sensitive sleepers. Memory foam is the best at motion transfer but latex, pocket coils, microcoils, buckling column gel, and even polyfoam are generally good as well but it will depend to some degree on the specific design of the mattress, on your relative weight ranges, and your sleeping style (such as how close you sleep together). Pocket coils are generally good for motion transfer, unlike innersprings that are linked with helicals which are generally poor to fair depending on the specifics of the innerspring and the foam layers above it. Just as an example most people will tell you that a mattress that uses latex comfort layers would be relatively good at motion isolation but there are also some that will tell you otherwise which is a good example of why once again the most reliable way to know whether a mattress is “motion isolating enough” for you would be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience with both of you on the mattress in the positions you normally sleep in. You can find more about latex versus innerspring post#28here. And there is more about mattresses motion transfer in post #18 here .
Additionally, while both innerspring and a firmer latex core can be used as a support layer … each has very “different” characteristics but the most important differences are the ones you can feel and that you personally prefer. Both of them come in softer or firmer versions and in many different designs so an innerspring could be firmer than a latex core or the other way around depending on the specifics of the components you are comparing.
Nice to be able to DIY slatted frame to your own specifications. You may wish to visit the the Best Mattress Foundation thread here for some good tips. I have not seen any data to suggest that a 6" bigger size bed will have a measurable difference in durability. Most consumers typically revert to the same general area of the bed.
Congratulations on your weight loss through exercise and diet! … 45 lbs to go… IMO, I do not see any great benefit to buying a cheap bed and holding until the sought weight level is reached especially as you do not seem to deal with any pains due to alignment issues. As you lose weight the alignment also will improve so if possible I’d hold on a bit and instead experiment with what you have … maybe taking off the current topper and see how your body reacts to a firmer surface. Additionally, weight loss, although sometimes happens fast, is still a gradual process.
I am sure your dog would appreciate a little cooler sleeping environment as well…There is more in about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of mattress/sleeping systems in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range. In very general terms … the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin and softer mattresses or foam toppers will tend to be more “insulating” and for some people can sleep warmer than firmer versions of the same material.
Regarding Orlando, Palm Beach FL vicinities, I definitely think visiting the Ghostbed / Naturesleep store. and Bedmasters (almost 3 hours drive) they also have an all Latex Talalay mattress. that’s worth testing. Here are a couple of other threads regarding South Florida:
Have definitely seen the differences and honestly never gave latex cores a fair shake, because of cost, until recently. Started venturing away from the “larger” corporate stores.
Thanks for this! Started doing it out of necessity (3 kids in a 3 BR house, so built bunkbeds).
Visited Ghostbed today and absolutely fell in love with the Ghostbed Flex! Cool to the touch and alhave struggled trying to feel if I was supported and comfortable…not today!!! Laid on it and my muscles ALMOST INSTANTLY relaxed, similar to when I meditate.
I have been looking at beds inconsistently for a.couple of years, and without much passion until earlier this year. Going to the big-box mattress stores is confusing and depressing. Reading multiple reviews online is helpful, to an extent. But reading the info here helped me understand what I had felt, and more importantly what to look for. Today, I found a bed that fit my body, cool, as I sleep hot, let me sink in but not too far, allowed my muscles to feel relaxed, and was at a price point I wanted to be at. So long story short, thank you!!!
I’m in a bit of an interesting situation as I’m making an international move to the US and am trying to purchase a mattress/bed so that I have somewhere to sleep when I arrive (so unfortunately trialling US based options is out of the picture). However, I don’t really need to value longevity mattress as I will only be here for a known 2 years, maybe up to 4 but no more.
In my online research, I came across this website, and have been reading everything (and there is a lot). From what I can work out I’m a combination sleeper who can pretty much sleep on (and through) anything, at 5’11" (and change) and about 190-195lbs.
After going over all the details of TMU member companies and information I think I’ve decided upon the Nest Love and Sleep. My main concern is the 1.8 lb base layer on that mattress? Will this last the 2 + years that I need it for?
EDIT ~ I also just came across the FLIP by Nest on Amazon; does anyone have any thoughts or information regarding this Mattress? I had a quick search here, but couldn’t find anything.
Thanks for the post, and good luck on your trip to the States!
Your situation is unique, with the short term needs, approx 2 years. I understand the caution on the 1.8lb base foam, which I know you have probably read is the minimum density we always recommend for any mattress. Your BMI is around 27, so this mattress will most likely be ok for the 2 years and obviously longer than that most likely.
Regarding the Flip mattress by Nest on Amazon, this is the first time I have looked at this listing. As you have already seen the specs listed in the small print is as follows:
I don’t know the exact information about the 660 gauge coil unit, this is a different unit that Nest uses for the Hybrid mattresses that are listed on the website. Each side only has either 1" memory foam, then the other side has, 75 inches of the of high-density foam. Essentially to make this mattress hit $499 AND be flip mattress comfort layers have to be put on each side of the mattress. This means one would have fewer comfort layers for pressure relief needs. This is all generally speaking, but my quick view is the Love and Sleep may be better for pressure relief and comfort with more inches of comfort layers.
Thanks again and let me know if you have any other questions.
Thank you for your update on your shopping experience. I am so happy you found such a nice fit at the Ghostbed store … I just love your quote:
You described very well what people can get from putting in some time to experiment and to find the relevant information about mattresses and skip the marketing stories altogether. Thank you again for posting the update.
Noted on the Eclipse … I do not have any reason to convince you to keep on your list especially when there are so many other options, companies, and manufacturers being transparent and disclosing what is in their mattress. I understand your issue with sagging, and I don’t think it’s “paranoia”… along with mattress suitability, how long you will sleep well on a mattress is one of the most significant considerations in the purchase of a mattress for most people.