There are more manufacturers looking to replace lower density polyfoams in their quilt panels with some of these newer generation “high performance polyfoams”. Some of these foams are also designed to mimic the feel of memory foam, albeit with faster response rates and less temperature sensitivity. And some of them are made more resilient and have comforts similar to latex. But of course, the overall feel of the mattress is dependent upon all of the materials within that particular mattress. And how “buoyant” or "dead’ of a surface comfort feel you desire would be a matter of personal preference.
While these higher density polyfoams do provide some unique levels of comfort, one of the best benefits is the extra longevity they can provide versus some of the less dense and lower quality polyfoam and memory foam materials that they sometimes replace.
If you have upgraded your bedding and have bought a new mattress then in next step you have to buy a protector for your mattress in order to make it safe from bedbugs, water and others. You should buy waterproof mattress protector to protect it from water.
Some mattresses have quilting and others do not and they appear to be a flat surface across. Would it be normal on the flat non quilted mattress to sink in a little but remain on top of vs in the mattress and feel like you are going up a slight incline when rolling towards the middle or edge of the bed whereas the quilting would prevent that?
What you’re describing seems to be like a bit of foam settling/softening in the area where you sleep upon a mattress. It’s normal for the center head to toe area and the side of the mattress to feel a bit firmer and also not be broken-in as much as the areas where the mattress is mostly used. How much of a difference there would be in these areas depends upon use, sleeping patterns, mass applied, as well as the overall layers used within the mattress and quality of those materials. Whether or not the mattress was a smooth top or had a polyurethane foam quilted panel wouldn’t necessarily dictate a difference in these wear patterns, as the phenomenon you describe can be felt in both styles of mattresses. It should be noted that fibers and polyurethane foam are what is commonly found in the quilt panel. There is some quiltable latex, but it is not common, and memory foam is not commonly found in any significant amount in a quilt panel. Quilting these materials can compress them a bit (depending upon the patterns), but how the quilt panel is attached and the cut can also increase loft. So there really are many variables and no one true answer to your question.
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Thank you for the response. I notice on the Kiss mattress it states no caution and says it it good for all weight ranges. The 3lb of Float foam would not be a caution for higher weight ranges?
I looked on their web site and I didn’t find anything relating to weight ranges or applicability thereof, but I could have missed it. Maybe you can link to that so I can read exactly what you’re referencing.
I’m guessing the “float” foam is along the lines of Flo foam or one of the other newer types of quite durable, yet plush, polyurethane foams, that are supposed to mimic much of the feel of memory foam without the changes in viscosity. Whether or not this would be appropriate for someone larger would be up to that person, as larger individuals will put more stress on all materials, especially softer materials in the upper layers of a mattress, even very plush latex. This newer style of higher density plush polyurethane foams are more durable than the lower density similar plushness polyurethane foams they are often replacing. I’m not privy to any general data relating the performance of such foams to memory foams, and even if I had that data it would be quite specific to the formulations being compared.
If someone was larger and considering something using quite plush materials, I would consider something that was a system or used a topper where you could replace those upper layers over time, as regardless of what it is, they’re going to wear it out faster than someone at 50 kg.
Your question of applicability would be a good reason for a phone call directly to the manufacturer and they could give you their best guess. I’ve spoken with Shawn at SleepEZ before and have found that he’s pretty straightforward about telling people if he thinks his product is a good fit for someone. They do have a good 100 day return policy if you order one and don’t like it.
This just does not feel quite right and it was actually like this from early on. If I lay there and look at my body you can see it is slanted somewhat. I guess they want pictures of the bed by itself or with a straight edge over it. Problem is that it happens when laying in the bed, they would be able to see my body is not flat but they will not accept pictures of me in the bed for warranty claim. Too bad, I sleep really well on the bed. I did not experience that even on my previous bed that I had about a decade. I understand there are a lot of variables though.
I’m not a party to your process, but mattress warranties don’t cover comfort or the perception thereof, and the way foam defects are generally evaluated are with a straight edge measuring a depression. How much you sink into the mattress isn’t part of standard warranty boilerplate.
Feeling that you are at an incline could simply be the result of your mass distribution combined with the point elasticity of this mattress compared to your old product. It could be from an inadequate foundation. It could be your perception based upon your previous sleeping surfaces. And it indeed could also be some sort of a defect.
If the bed “didn’t feel right” from early on, you had 100 days to return it, so I’m not sure why you didn’t take advantage of that if it felt wrong. But you say you’re sleeping well on the product now, so it’s curious why you want to return it, unless you’re concerned there is some sort of defect that is just beginning to manifest itself now, in which case you have a long warranty on this product (which is good).
If you have such a strong concern, I would suggest a phone call as I mentioned in my last reply. I don’t know if you did that, as you state you’re “guessing” what they want to evaluate the product, and it seems they would have been more clear about what they’d want you to do to evaluate the product if you spoke on the phone. I don’t think any manufacturer wants you to keep something if there really is some sort of a defect that is difficult to determine from afar, but it’s been my experience that you’ll tend to get better responses via phone than with chat, emails or texts.
I don’t know if you were really looking for much of a reply to your post, but I thought I’d respond as I think you bring up points that can be a good reference for others in a similar position.
I’m curious whether break-in time only applies to comfort levels, or does your body adjust to support as well?
I’ve been trialling an Endy for the last few weeks, and though it feels great to lie down and go to bed in (no adjustment at all from day one) I’ve been waking up with a slightly sore lower back. Will my lower back adjust after a period of time, or is break-in only applicable to overall comfort (is support something that you either have or do not have?)
I am still within the trial period and did not return it sooner because I have slept well on it from the beginning and wanted to try and be sure I was not having unrealistic expectations. I have tried to sleep more in the areas discussed to see if they would feel more like the other parts but did not end up in those areas for very long because it bothers me.
I am not guessing, I have called them and they want to try and help but it all comes down to taking pictures in a way that would not show them what I am talking about. This is not about a depression that would be shown with a straight edge or taking a picture of the bed without anyone in it. This has nothing to do with comfort or how far I am sinking into the mattress, I believe this is a defect and if it is not then this mattress is not for me. I have initiated the return process.
If it is a defect then the warranty would be useless unless it shows a depression with a straight edge which is not the problem or be warped so badly that it would show in a picture without anyone in the bed. It could get worse over time and still not fall under the warranty claim criteria, that is why even though I sleep good on it, I am returning it.
While I am not speaking from experience, I believe that there are enough mattresses that fall within a similar firmness range even though there are a lot of different variables that I will be able to find a different product that works. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
It’s good you’re still within your trial period, that way any warranty claim issues aren’t necessary and moot. It’s too bad, as you seem to finally have found a mattress upon which you sleep comfortably (I see you’ve asked about a lot of beds here on the forum), but I understand your concern that you think that your mattress may have a defect which may result in future problems which may be difficult for you to convey for potential replacement with the manufacturer.
As for “guessing”, I’m glad that you say you actually did phone the manufacturer and get complete instructions. As I’m not party to those discussions, I have to rely upon your accounts of such here in the forum to formulate my reply and advice, so when you stated in your previous post that “I guess”, it conveys uncertainty, hence my previous advice.
I am sorry to hear that you are having some comfort issues with your Kiss mattress. We are happy to assist you with the return of your mattress. Please call our office at 480-6966-8731 Monday thru Saturday, 10am to 6pm MST, or email Jeremy at [email protected].
I also assumed that you were talking about Kiss and I guess SleepEZ took their “queue” from your earlier comment stating that:
which was not followed up by the mention of any other mattress in the thread.
I am glad that SleepEZ is ready to assist their customers on any possible channels. I think highly not only of their products but also of their customer service, and it is to their credit that they reached out to you, even if this was a “false alarm”
