Sleeptek - New manufacturing process = less firm & less support ?

We tried numerous mattresses and settled on a Sleeptek EuroComfort 4. This has 2 4" layers on each side (Queen) and a single 2" layer on top. Both sides were to be 4" Firm on the bottom, 4" Med next, and then 2" soft.

What arrived was all soft layers. After considerable complaining the store owner came out and agreed that it wasn’t correct. He ordered new bits from Sleeptek and a few weeks later they arrived and were the same soft bits. The bed was way to soft to sleep on (we had to move to guest room) so the owner brought a 4" Firm and 4" Med from his demo which at least created something useable (4" Soft on bottom, 4" Firm on side 1 and 4" Med on side 2, and 2" soft top).

He went back to them again and they sent a third set. He also found out that they had recently (I believe in February 2017) changed their manufacturing process (along with the names of their products from Euro Comfort to Kama). In the 3rd set we found the Firm to be almost as firm as the old Medium. Way to soft for comfortable sleeping.

The end result is that they can no longer create a bed anywhere close to as firm as their old Euro Comfort. The best they can do is about the same as 4" Med + 4" Soft + 2" Soft.

Anyone else experienced this? Any idea if the Osami and Oyasami (The Clean Bedroom) are now using the new much softer materials?

Hi JohnQ,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

I’m not familiar with any potential changes year to year of the ILDs and the sourcing of the latex in the SleepTek line. They are still using GOLS certified Dunlop latex (as listed on their web site), and I think what you may be referring to as “softer materials” could be a change in the ILD (plushness) that they are using for what they might term “plush”, “medium” or “firm” latex. Again, I don’t know this to be fact, or if incorrect layers were accidentally sent to your home.

As far as a change in “manufacturing process”, do you mean that you looked at a mattress that had a particular zoning structure and that the model you received did not have that same zoning?

To me there seems to be two different points in your post. The first, and the most important for you, would be that you would want to know the specifications of what you tried on the showroom floor of your local retailer. As that was the item that you approved of when you tested mattresses, you’d expect that what your local retailer delivered to you would be consistent with that. If that’s not the case, I’d expect your retailer to take the item back if it wasn’t representative of what you had tested on their showroom floor. That’s the primary point – you want to get something close to what you tested.

The second point would be about model consistency. Mattress brands do frequently make changes in their line, and they don’t produce the same models in perpetuity nor have the goal of always producing the same comforts, so if there was a change in either ILDs or configurations, it would be the responsibility of the manufacturer to update their retailers, and then the responsibility of the retailer to update their showroom floor models to reflect any potential changes. Sleeptek still lists having latex in soft (20-22 ILD), Medium (32-35) and Firm (38-42) ILDs.

As I’m not a party to your purchase nor do I know all of the specifics, but putting myself in your shoes, my first course of action would be to see if the retailer could produce for me the exact item I tested. If not, I would go in and retest for something else or ask for a refund. It isn’t your fault if they can’t deliver what was represented on their showroom floor, whether there indeed was a change in the model or ILDs of foams being used and they hadn’t updated their showroom models, or if Sleeptek made an error in sending out the incorrect ILDs of latex layers, or if they made a running change without informing their retailers.

The second thing I would do would be to phone Sleeptek customer service directly and inform them of what you tested and ordered (with your exact specifications) and explain to them what you received and the difficulty you’re having in achieving a feel similar to the floor model you had tested. I’d explain what you’ve been told by your local retailer and see if they have indeed made running changes in their ILDs. They would be in the best situation, knowing what they have available, to attempt to approximate what you tested if something was altered in design.

As far as other brands using “softer material”, that would simply be the choice of any manufacturer of the plushness (ILD) of the latex they choose to use for their respective comfort designations, and knowing these exact ILDs wouldn’t be important when testing an item in a showroom, as your own personal testing will be able to tell you if a particular “comfort designation” is agreeable to your sleeping style and needs.

With the limited information I have, that’s the best advice I can offer. I really think it comes down to first “getting what you ordered” and tested in the showroom , and if that isn’t possible, then looking at your options to start over choosing a new model or getting a refund and looking elsewhere.

I’ll be interested in learning if you’re able to determine exactly what differences there were between the floor model you tested and what was delivered to your home, and any comments you received from Sleeptek.

Phoenix

The change in manufacturing is that Sleeptek use to purchase thicker bits of latex and cut them themselves. E.G., they’d buy a 6" firm and cut it to make a 4" firm from the bottom and a 2" medium from the top. They now purchase the thicknesses directly. If what they are purchasing is made as a 4", instead of made thicker and then cut, would explain why what they have now is not as firm.

The retailer (Scandia Furniture in Edina MN) is being really good about working with us so hopefully we’ll find a good solution. Today we built up with new bits 4" Firm + 4" Firm + 2" soft to see how that does. It’s definitely softer than the old Sleeptek Firm+Medium+Soft but may be good enough.

Just to clarify for others, if Sleeptek were purchasing 6" 38-42 ILD and cutting it, then the resulting bottom 4" would be firmer than 38-42 (perhaps 42 - 48) and the top 2" less firm than 38-42 (perhaps 36-38).

Hi JohnQ,

Thank you for taking the time to provide the clarification of the difference in the latex Sleeptek is using.

You’re correct that there is a difference in the firmness of a piece of Dunlop depending upon where it is slit from the 6" core. Foam slit from the bottom of a Dunlop core will tend to be more dense/higher ILD than foam slit off of the top of the same 6" Dunlop core, due to some of the settling of the latex particles during the production process. This is one of the reasons that many Dunlop manufacturers sell their Dunlop by density or “word ratings” instead of ILD (which are better expressed in a range). Some manufacturers do choose to slit their own foam to attempt to be as consistent as possible.

I’m happy that they are working with you to make you happy. It sounds like they are doing their best to assist you in finding a comfort that will work for your needs.

I hope that the newer configuration works out for you, and I’ll be interested in learning of your results.

Phoenix

Quick update.

We’ve now got New Firm + New Firm on one side and Old Firm + Old Medium on the other. Two things we’ve noticed. 1) New Firm + New Firm is much softer than Old Firm + Old Medium, and possibly too soft. 2) New bits are about 3/8" thicker than old so the side with new is almost an inch higher than the side with old.

Something we’d noticed with the new bits earlier was that my side slopes from the outside to the inside. This disappeared when we re-stacked (New Firm + Old Med on side 1 and New Firm + Old Firm on side 2) so thought it had something to do with the new bits that were way too soft. It has reappeared with current configuration. It is worse with New Firm + New Firm but still a problem with Old Firm + Old Med. Reconfiguring to New Firm + Old Firm corrects it. I’m now guessing that it is something with the Sleeptek box frame that is currently resting in our bed frame (which Sleeptek said would be fine). I’m planning to remove it from the bed frame and install the Sleeptek legs on it to see if that prevents any sagging that might have been happening.

More later.

Hi JohnQ,

Slitting latex can be difficult, so if you’ve received sheets of latex from different vendors (I’m assuming when you say “old” you mean old stock that SleepTek slit themselves versus the new product they have slit for them?), a small difference in height can happen. Also, the older latex, depending on how old, can take a slight amount of set.

As for the height along the sides, you can place your mattress on the ground to help rule out frame or foundation issues if you think it is sagging in the center. Your bed frame should have proper center reinforcement and if so that would provide proper strength in the center of the foundation to prevent it from sagging. You can always have some lie down upon the mattress and look under the frame to see if there is any deflection in the middle of the foundation due to lack of frame support. Looking at their foundation construction, if it is free standing I’m assuming there would be a center support somewhere under their center head-to-toe 2" x 4" beam. Do you have the Kotra? A higher edge can also sometimes be the result of the cover bunching a bit along the edges of the mattress itself from reassembly.

Phoenix

Using the Sleeptek legs on their foundation instead of having their foundation rest on our frame did help. There still seems some bit of slope but not nearly as much as before. Our frame provided full support along both sides which Sleeptek had said would be OK which clearly is not the case.

The downside is that some of what fit under the bed previously no longer does so if we keep the Sleeptek we’ll need to figure out other storage though that pales in comparison to figuring out a comfortable mattress.

Still playing with combinations. Hopefully one works as well as their old product and what we’d tried in the store.

BTW, tried posting of photo showing the differences in mattress thickness but was getting an error message “The GD extension for PHP is not available”. I assume you’ve either not installed it or not enabled it.

Hi JohnQ,

Yes, you would definitely need some sort of a center support in the middle of your bed frame, as you were able to confirm by using the legs in the center of your current foundation.

If you are considering using your bed set eventually, you may wish to make reinforced T-slats that look like this:


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Phoenix