The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz

Thanks, Phoenix.

I live in Boca Raton (South Florida), so I was thinking of checking out Schrader in West Palm - people on here seem to have had good experiences there, although Iā€™m not sure how they compare on pricing.

I was at El Dorado Furniture today as well and I noticed that they were carrying Verlo foam mattresses; I think that this may be a relatively new development as Verloā€™s site doesnā€™t list any places in Florida.

Also, I travel for work a decent amount, and I will say that I probably sleep best in the Marriott beds - Iā€™ve checkout out their website and it seems they have several different options. Iā€™m not too sure what the differences are there among the models that they offer on their site.

Hello Phoenix,

Iā€™m hoping you can help me too.

I spent the day looking at memory foam beds. The first place I stopped at was at a smaller local furniture store. They had a gel foam mattress that I really liked. It was the Violet 10" made by Englander on sale for about $1000. I did some more shopping and ended up at big retailers but they were all over $2000+ and out of my price range. The last place I stopped at was Mattress Firm and really liked the iComfort Insight. This is also going for about $1000 on sale right now. Regardless $1000 is more than Iā€™d like to spend, but Iā€™m at a loss for any more ideas. I have been doing research for a few weeks now and due to back problems it seems like a mid-firm/firm memory foam would be the way to go. I also think I need the gel because Iā€™m a hot sleeper.

I live in St. Paul, Minnesota. Do you have any suggestions for cheaper ā€˜coolā€™ (gel) foam beds that compare to these models or local manufacters that would be good to look into?

Thank you for your informative website. I happen to see the site when I was web surfing the Serta iComfort. I did not realize all the different components that make up a mattress and the various materials that are used. After your crash course in mattress construction, I am going with a 100% latex mattress w/foundation from one of your recommended manufacturers.

Thanks again,

Tom

Hi Tyrus,

Any of the members of the site would certainly make a great choice :slight_smile:

The only thing I would suggest is some local testing in various places that have latex mattresses available to get a sense of different combinations and versions of latex mattresses so you have a clearer idea of your needs and preferences (unless of course the manufacturer you are looking at is already local in which case you can do your testing there).

Itā€™s great to see when people do some initial research and ā€œbypassā€ the advertising and sales techniques that are the driving force behind so many lower quality and value mattress purchases.

Phoenix

I went to a local store and tested a pure bliss latex mattressā€¦several models with a 2 inch and 3 inch topper. The mattress was extremely comfortable, but tough to get specifics on the density and make-up of the latex foam. I may lean on the manufacturer to help decide on the composition. Pure bliss seemed to be a quality mattress, but a bit pricey.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. Located in Long Island, NY.

Tyrus

Hi Tyrus,

The Pure Latex bliss mattresses are very high quality and certainly better quality/value than most mainstream choices but they are also not in the same ā€œvalue rangeā€ as many local or smaller manufacturers or some of the local or independent brands carried by some of the better sleep shops.

Post #2 here includes the better options that Iā€™m aware of in the Long Island area closer to NYC. There is also a more categorized list with more details about many of them in post #7 here.

Post #4 here has a list centered on Setauket but these will require more research into the level of knowledge and service or each and their willingness to give you the details and specs of what is in their mattresses.

If you want to research some of your more local outlets ā€¦ then this article may help with how to ā€œinterviewā€ them on the phone to make sure they are worth visiting.

If you let me know your zip ā€¦ I may know of (or even be able to find) some more local options that are closer to you if the driving distance to these is not practical for you.

Phoenix

Phoenix,
I just bought an iComfort Insight mattress and saw your site after. Now, Iā€™m stressed. I paid $720 plus tax and got a free box spring and free delivery/take away at a big box store. I thought I had got a great deal but you seem to say itā€™s not a good mattress. I loved how it felt in the store. Will I have buyers regret in a few months?

Hi Meg,

There is a saying I like ā€¦

The reason Iā€™m quoting this is that you may not have made the best choice in terms of quality and value but it may also be too late to do anything about it. If you have the ability to change it without an undue penalty under the policies of where you bought it ā€¦ I would. If you donā€™t ā€¦ then you have bought a mattress that may not last as long as others you could have purchased or where you may have paid more than you needed compared to other higher quality/value mattresses but you hopefully tested it and for the moment it meets your needs and preferences and you ā€œlove itā€. So if nothing can be done ā€¦ and for as long as it continues to meet your needs and preferences (and this is impossible to predict for any individual because foam softening will affect different people/mattress combinations differently) ā€¦ I would sleep on it and enjoy it for as long as you can. When the time comes to change it ā€¦ whenever that may be ā€¦ then go in a different direction for your next purchase.

The price you paid is not a major expense for most people and in this budget range I wouldnā€™t put too much energy into buyers remorse. Weā€™ve all made purchases that werenā€™t the best we could have made but the ā€œbestā€ thing to do is just to learn from it and change the process next time if nothing can be done.

For the moment ā€¦ you will be sleeping well on your new mattress and until that changes and unless you have other options ā€¦ Iā€™d just enjoy it :slight_smile:

Phoenix

After reading the 26 pages of this discussion I am very happy I didnā€™t cave and buy the I-comfort @ sears yesterday. Any good matress manufators around the Hartford CT area?

I have started the matress search and I am trying to stay under 2500.

I am 5ā€™11 200lbs and a back sleeper
Girlfriend is 5ā€™5 130lbs and a side sleeper

:cheer:

Like many others I liked the iComfort but am clearly being guided by the forum to look for a local company to make a better bed at a greater value. Any recommendations near Edmonton, Alberta?

As well, what would I be looking for in a latex that has that softer feel for a 5ā€™10" 180lbs side and back sleeper?

much appreciated

Hi Freefalling,

Post #2 and #4 here includes several manufacturers in Connecticut and in southern Massachusetts (around the Springfield area) that are all within reasonable driving distance.

You have some very high quality/value choices available :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Hi 780guy,

Post #136 here includes the better options in the Edmonton area that Iā€™m aware of.

There are some general guidelines for height and weight here along with some for different sleeping positions here and there is more about how different types of construction and layering can affect both of these in this section of the website.

Building a mattress by ā€œspecsā€ can be amazingly complex and frustrating however and local testing with the help and guidance of someone with the knowledge and experience to help you make good choices will be more effective and ā€œaccurateā€ (and far less frustrating) than what I call ā€œtheory at a distanceā€. In other words ā€¦ finding the ā€œexpertsā€ is much easier than learning how to design or look for a mattress based on specs and becoming one yourself. Having just enough information to know when someone knows what they are talking about and be able to ask better questions (and scanning the overviews in the mattresses section will be all you really need) is usually the simplest approach :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Iā€™d just like to say thanks to Phoenix for all of the information on this site and for taking the time for putting it all together. I was about 24 hours away from purchasing an Icomfort and was looking reviews when I stumbled across this thread. That lead me to all the articles on the site and I began to research my purchase all over again.

I just pulled the trigger on a 10" latex mattress from sleepez with custom layers for my wife and I.

Thanks again,

Mike

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the kind words ā€¦ and congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

You certainly made a much higher quality and value choice than the iComfort. Iā€™m glad you found us before you pulled the trigger!

Phoenix

Hey guys great info and great site. I have a question for anyone who could help. I have absolutely fell in love with the way you sink into an icomfort bed but im not in love with the price point . I am trying to get as close to that feel as I can and stay in the $500-700 price range. I know Iā€™m asking a lot but its what I have to spend . I have a Costco close by and plan on looking at the novaform to see how it does. Anyone on here tried both?

I also have a SAMs club close but and they have a serta select trump memory foam mattress for $389. While it is much firmer than the icomfort is is a lot less ( I know I may be sacrificing longevity ) . It has crossed my mind , maybe we could get this mattress and then add a gel memory foam topper to it to try and accomplish the icomfort ā€œsinkingā€ feel I love so much .

I also know there has to me "no name " or private label manufacturers that are comparable to the specs and feel for less . If anyone knows of any that would be great.

I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say, especially Phoenix . Thanks again

Hi Bftiedt,

The iComfort is a line of mattresses that includes 7 models and every model in the lineup is very different from the others. They also have completely different combinations of layering and materials that are used in the mattress. Some have the gel memory foam on top and some have regular memory foam on top and there are also different types of materials and combinations of materials in the mix which each produce a very different feel.

To use an analogy ā€¦ trying to match one mattress to another is a lot like trying to match one loaf of bread to another.

One of the ingredients in bread is flour and there are hundreds of different types of flour such as corn flour, rye flour, cake flour, whole wheat flour, rice flour etc just like there are hundreds of different types of memory foam (including many different types of gel memory foam). Each of them have their own characteristics and each of them can produce a different type of bread (or mattress) in combination with other ingredients.

Just like flour is only one of the ingredients in a loaf of bread ā€¦ memory foam is only one of the materials in a memory foam mattress. You also need the recipe and the rest of the ingredients and the proportions to make bread (or a mattress). With bread ā€¦ how the final loaf feels and tastes depends on how all the ingredients combine together. Itā€™s the same with a memory foam mattress and how all the different types of materials and layering combines together results in how the final mattress feels and performs. The more layers there are in a mattress ā€¦ the more difficult it can be to match ā€¦ especially if you donā€™t know all the exact details of each layer.

Also like bread ā€¦ different people have different tastes and ideas about what type of bread they prefer and their descriptions about a loaf of bread may be very different. One person may say ā€œthis is too saltyā€ and another may say ā€œitā€™s not salty enoughā€. Mattresses are the same and different people will describe the same mattress or softness and firmness very differently (often depending on their body type and sleeping style along with their individual preferences and what they are used to).

The only common factor between all the different memory foam mattresses is that they all use at least one layer of slow recovery memory foam of some type and how a ā€œmemory foam mattressā€ performs and feels will depend on the combination and proportions of all the materials and components in the mattress.

So trying to match one mattress to another depends on either knowing the exact recipe of the mattress (all the details of every layer in the mattress) and then matching these exact same materials in another mattress which is very unlikely. Different mattresses and manufacturers use different types of materials and the mattresses you are describing only provide a general description (such as they contain flour without saying the type) and donā€™t provide the details of the type of memory foam or the other layers or the proportions that are used in either the mattress you want to match or the mattress that you are hoping matches it.

Without this information ā€¦ you are completely dependent on the descriptions of others (or the knowledge of the person who is selling the mattress) who may only be paying attention to one part of the mattress (such as how chewy a piece of bread is rather than how it tastes or how soft or crispy it is or how healthy it is etc) and not the part of the description that may be most important to you. They may also have a very different idea of things like soft and firm than you do. Even this doesnā€™t give you any information about the quality/durability of the materials in the mattress or itā€™s value ā€¦ only how they may feel for others. Good and poor quality materials have more to do with how long the materials will keep their feel and performance more than how they will feel.

This means that you would need to guess based on your best sense of any reviews that specifically compare the mattress you are thinking about to the mattress you liked or, if you are lucky enough to be buying from someone who is more knowledgeable about both mattresses, to use their knowledge of how the mattresses may compare and hope that their descriptions and comparison are the same as or similar to what yours would be. This also isnā€™t too likely at a big box store.

In the end ā€¦ when you buy a mattress from a big box store you are mostly dependent on trial and error and hoping that you will get ā€œclose enoughā€ to satisfy what you are looking for and on the fact that if you roll the dice and lose ā€¦ that at least you can get a refund.

In terms of quality ā€¦ all the mattresses you are considering use lower quality materials. I would probably be looking at using mid quality materials which means 4 lb memory foam or higher and a 1.8 lb polyfoam support layer or better (many in this price range will use lower quality 1.5 lb polyfoam in the base). In this price range you would also usually be looking at basic two layer mattresses (using a layer of memory foam over a base layer) rather than multiple layers of different types of foam and materials and more complex layering so any similarity would be accidental (just like two very different bread recipes may taste similar or have a similar texture even though the recipes are different).

You can see more about the Serta Roma here.

The Novaform tends to use memory foams in the 3 to 4 lb range so knowing the density of the layers is important before you buy.

Normally your ā€œsafestā€ bet would be to look at either local manufacturers that sell factory direct or better sleep shops that sell mattresses made by smaller independent brands and then test the mattress in person so that you can tell from personal experience how closely it matches the feel of the iComfort model you were testing and who can also tell you the quality of the materials in the mattress so you at least have some idea of how long it may last.

Of course none of this means that a mattress that you buy from a retailer with little knowledge online may not feel good for you ā€¦ only that it wonā€™t likely ā€œmatchā€ the more complex layering of the iComfort model you liked except through a fortunate accident.

If you let me know the city of zip you live in Iā€™d be happy to point you to some of the better possibilities Iā€™m aware of so you can find the best possible value in person.

If I was looking for a memory foam mattress online ā€¦ I would be looking at one of the sources listed in post #12 here where you can use their more extensive knowledge about their mattresses to your benefit and make sure you are buying the best possible quality for your limited budget.

Phoenix

2 of the beds that give me the feel Iā€™m looking for are the icomfort insight cushion firm and the sealy optimum destiny firm. Those are the type of comforts Iā€™m looking but in a cheaper brand maybe private label? Iā€™m going to try and lay on the novaform and see how it compares .

Also my zip code is 37188. Iā€™m about 20 mins from downtown Nashville.

Does naming those 2 beds help any?

Thanks again for the help

Hi Bftiedt,

Both of these mattresses would at least be easier to ā€œcome somewhat close toā€ because they have a more simple construction. In both cases ā€¦ they have ā€œaboutā€ 3" of memory foam over a thicker base layer of polyfoam. In both cases the memory foam is ā€œin the rangeā€ of 4 lbs and the base polyfoam is in the range of 1.5 lbs.

While there are still many variations of memory foam (either with or without gel) ā€¦ and the variables of the differences between different foams canā€™t be taken into account and the firmness of the polyfoam layers underneath the memory foam may also be very different (and this has a significant effect on how a memory foam mattress feels) ā€¦ at least the odds of ā€œsomewhatā€ matching a mattress with a similar layering based on more general descriptions is a little higher.

Post #7 here has a list of some of the better Nashville possibilities that Iā€™m aware of. I would call them and say something along the lines of ā€¦

Iā€™m looking for a lower cost memory foam mattress that has about 3" of 4 lb memory foam or better over a good quality polyfoam base layer (preferable 1.8 lb density or better) and that sleeps relatively cool, has a somewhat firmer feel, and is in the $500 - $700 budget range. Do you have anything similar to this that I can test.

If they say yes then the next step would be to ask the name and model of the mattress they believe would ā€œfitā€ your description (so you can confirm that they are not just trying to get you in the store and donā€™t really have a mattress that fits your description).

If this conversation is promising ā€¦ then I would go there and test the mattress to see how well it meets your needs and preferences.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix, thanks so much for all of the great information. I didnā€™t read through all 26 pages, but did scan through quite a bit of the info. My husband and I have been toggling back and forth between the Beautyrest True energy Kailey due to the plush feeling with the gel foam, but recently discovered we may like the icomfort savant or revolution. now we are doing our research and came across this blog. We like others, are not happy with the price of $2200 - $2500 for a mattress, but are not aware of mattress companies in Indiana we could work with to get a better product or cheaper price. What would you recommend? Thanks!!!

I was calling around to local stores today to see what kind of mattress they sell so I can test them out and I asked about the Icomfort to see if they had any in stock to test out ā€¦ The salesman said that they know longer carry them because the gel in them will just adjust to your body tempature so It doesnā€™t have any cooling affectā€¦ anybody have heard of this?