The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz

[phoenix]

Hi Yagottawanta,

Well today must be my day for looking at Louisiana mattress manufacturers

First though I should tell you that “mattress sales” at various chain stores and for mattresses made by major manufacturers are a gimmick that is meant to create a false sense of urgency in consumers. Quality mattresses can be purchased every day of the year and the “sales” that you hear advertised only change their name … not the prices. All of the mattresses that advertise “50% off” … or more are based on highly inflated “suggested retail prices” that nobody ever pays.

In another thread today … I listed a few factory direct mattress manufacturers in Baton Rouge that I had talked with and that made and sold high quality mattresses but when I saw your post I thought I’d dig a little deeper into what was available in Lafayette … and much to my surprise there is a factory dirrect manufacturer right there.

They are irwinsmattressmart.com/
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I called them and they make any type of mattress you may want including memory foam, latex, and innersprings and they use good quality materials and construction methods that make sure that their mattresses last. They have also been around for a very long time. I talked with Scott who is the grandson of the original founder and is the third generation to work in the business.

You can go there any time you want and any day of the year and you will find better quality and value than anything that is available in the chain stores or from a major manufacturer. Of course you could still buy a mattress in the holidays but at least it’s nice to know that you won’t have to to get the best quality and value.

The adjustable bed I linked to in a previous post is the same manufacturer that makes the iComfort adjustable bed and is the same quality with some minor differences in features. The 3 main adjustable bed brands that they sell (Ergomotion, Reverie, and Leggett and Platt) are the same manufacturers who supply almost all the adjustable beds that are sold in this country under various other names or in combination with many major brand mattresses. For example … Reverie makes the adjustable bed which is sold by Tempurpedic (I purchased one of these from the outlet I linked to to go under my own latex mattress and it’s great)

So now I have to update the Louisiana thread to include a new discovery as well … so thank you for posting and helping me to find another local manufacturer who is still making high quality mattresses at great prices

Phoenix

[yagottawanta]

Phoenix,

Thank you so much for your priceless information. I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed and that false sense of urgency to buy a mattress now.

I really appreciate the time you took to enlighten me and also the research you did in finding a local mattress manufacturer. I went out shopping yesterday and was not satisfied with what I found at my local chains. I will definately go to the outlet you found today.

I am going to slow down and take the time to decide on the correct choice for my husband and myself. We looked at latex beds yesterday and also I think we should get a split king adjustable. I am still not sure about memory foam or latex but I am going to see what I can learn at Irwin’s.

I will report what I find.

Thanks again.
yagottawanta

[Nancycs]

We were set on the iComfort Prodigy until I ran across this thread. Now I am overwhelmed and am not sure what to get. I sleep hot and so was opting for the iComfort. What are your suggestions to give me a similar feel to the Prodigy or perhaps another option that might be better for our situation. We tried the 2 lower end iComfort and they were too firm and the other 2 were too soft so the Prodigy was the best. We didn’t try any innerspring but are open to any good choices you may have for those as well.

I am 145 lbs and mostly a stomach sleeper but sometimes side. My husband is a back and stomach sleeper and is 200 lbs. We are 41. I add this because I know our mattress needs change as we get older. We both wake up with back pain on our 6YO Serta (I believe it is a Perfect Day, pd. $1400 for it).

We live in Rochester, MN. We would love to try before we buy, or Sam’s club that has a good return policy. There is a local manufacturer of mattresses called Rest Assured. Do you have an opinion about them. THe web site is myrestassuredmattress.com

Thanks for your time!

[phoenix]

Hi Nancycs,

There are several factory direct manufacturers within reasonable driving distance of you that I know of but http://myrestassuredmattress.com/ is the only one that is local. I haven’t talked with them but I have developed a good sense of the type of manufacturer that provides good quality and value and they definitely fit the profile. They appear to offer innerspring and memory foam options but I don’t see anything about latex on their website although it wouldn’t surprise me if they offered this as well. I would certainly pay them a visit as it is very likely that the quality and value here is better than the other outlets in your area.

ADDED: I have since had several lengthy conversations with Chuck and there is no doubt that he is “mattress people” and makes high quality and value mattresses. They are also known and respected by other manufacturers I have talked with. I would make them my first stop if I was in the Rochester area.

The others are in the Minneapolis/St Paul area. They are …

http://www.restwellmattress.com/locations.asp Local factory direct manufacturer who makes a range of innerspring, memory foam, and latex mattresses that are transparent about their materials and have good value.
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Find an Original Mattress Factory Store Regional factory direct manufacturer that makes a wide range of mattresses including innerspring, memory foam (just introduced) and latex that also use good quality materials and have good value. One of the larger factory direct manufacturers in the country.

Natural Mattress Co. A local mom and pop supplier in Crystal, MN that supplies mattress components including 5 different firmness levels of 3" Dunlop layers, wool batting, and mattress covers (including wool quilted) that you can put together at home. The work from their home where you can go to test different layer combinations. Since these are components only, you can build a mattress without a fire barrier.

There is a larger list in post #2 here that includes these and some additional local retailers.

Unfortunately, it is not uncommon at all for a 6 year old major brand mattress to cause discomfort as the foam softens and begins to break down creating alignment issues over the course of the night. This is one of the reasons I like more local or regional factory direct manufacturers because they use higher quality materials and better construction methods which results in much longer lasting mattresses with better value.

One other advantage of most local manufacturers is that they will make side to side “split” construction mattresses where each side is built to the needs and preferences of different people. This can be really valuable as instead of having to compromise on what is best for both of you … you can each choose a construction that is better suited to your individual needs and preferences.

Side and stomach sleeping is a particularly challenging combination because stomach sleepers typically need a firmer and thinner comfort layer with a firmer support layer underneath it to prevent the pelvic area from sinking in too far leading to a swayback position which can often cause back issues. The “goal” here is to use the thinnest and firmest possible comfort layers on the top of the mattress which alleviates pressure issues on your side so that you are in better alignment when on your stomach. It’s important though not to go too thin or too firm (for the top layers) because that can lead to pressure issues when you sleep on your side so the “thinnest and firmest that does the job” is usually the best.

Memory foam is a non supportive foam because it will allow you to sink in more than other foams … particularly with your heavier areas. It is all “soft” foam even though it often feels firm when you press it quickly or when it is cooler. If you do choose to go with memory foam … I would make sure that it was not too thick because it will allow your pelvic area to sink in deeper than other foams. High quality polyfoam (HR grade) or high quality latex have what is called a higher support factor (they get firmer faster as you sink deeper into the foam) and are much better at adapting to different sleeping positions than memory foam however they have a much different feel. They are also cooler foams … particularly latex … than memory foams (although the gel memory foam is cooler than other types of memory foam).

Because your husband is heavier … he will likely need a firmer comfort layer than you (firmer foam feels softer to heavier people than it does to lighter people) and perhaps a little thicker as well to accommodate his larger size and because he probably spends more time on his side than you do.

Most local manufacturers though are quite expert at “fitting” a mattress to your weight and body shape, sleeping positions, and preferences and it is certainly more accurate to do this in person with someone who is good at this than to make more “typical” suggestions based on averages which may not be suitable for your own unique needs.

I have no doubt that with the 3 choices you have within a reasonable distance (or even with the one that is local), it is unlikely that you will have to spend time at any of the mass marketing outlets or even buy a mattress from an online outlet such as Sams Club which is great because of the return policy but not so great in terms of actually knowing whether a particular mattress will be suitable for your needs and preferences and can’t be “customized” in the same way or offer a side to side split construction if it is needed.

I’d certainly be interested in hearing about your experience with Rest Assured if you do pay them a visit.

Phoenix

[Nancycs]

Phoenix thank you for your quick response. After a lot of research on your site I have decided we will go with a inner spring. We are thinking of a pocket coil to help with motion transfer but we will check them all out.

I talked to Chuck (the owner) at Rest Assured and I am pleased with my conversation. He talked to me and invited me to come in. The thing that impressed me most is that if he doesn’t have what works for us he doesn’t want to sell us a mattress that we won’t be happy with. I think customer satisfaction is his goal. I know when I go in he will not pressure us into buying a mattress to get a sale even if it isn’t the right one. I will let you know what happens when I visit him.

I think we will also visit the 2 that are just about an hour form us. We go there enough so it will not be out of our way. I want to get the best mattress for us so I want to check out the options.

THanks again!

[phoenix]

Hi Nancycs,

Thanks for the feedback! They certainly had the feel of “mattress people” which usually indicates low pressure, good knowledge, high quality, and good prices, it’s good to have you confirm that with personal experience.

When I have the chance I will make a point of talking with them to find out a little more about them but for now they certainly fit the profile of a good quality factory direct manufacturer.

Phoenix

[jmbramblett]

I have been so confused about all the choices of mattresses. Ours is 20 years old and I am definitely feeling it. You posts have been very helpful as I have also been looking at the Icomfort although I’m not sure I will like memory foam. I’ve heard latex is more comfortable and since I have neck shoulder and back issues, I want to be sure I make the right choice. any suggestions? I have not found any dealers near me that have latex mattresses for me to try. I live in
Florence, South Carolina. Can you tell me if there is a dealer or manufacturer near me?
Thanks

[phoenix]

Hi jmbramblett,

There are several local and regional manufacturers in the general area of Florence that sell factory direct although they are a bit of a drive away. These types of outlets are usually the best source of both quality and value. While they are some distance away … it will probably save you time overall to call them first to get a good idea of what they make … their prices … and how helpful and knowledgeable they are and then choose to visit the ones that seem to offer the best combination of choices, knowledge, service and willingness to help you with good information on the phone. All of these make latex mattresses in various models.

https://www.bestmattress.net/ West Columbia, Columbia, SC. Local factory direct manufacturer.

https://www.thecharlestonmattress.com/ Charleston, Hilton Head island, SC. Local factory direct manufacturer

http://dilworthmattressfactory.com/ Charlotte, NC. Local factory direct manufacturer.

http://www.southernbeddingofcolumbia.com/ Columbia, SC. Local factory direct manufacturer

https://www.originalmattress.com/ Rock Hill, SC. Regional factory direct manufacturer

There are also a few options which may be more local to you so you don’t have to drive as far to try a latex mattress even though they may not have the same value as some of the more distant factory direct outlets.

Carolina Mattress Guild These are a regional manufacturer that only sells wholesale to retail outlets. they make latex mattresses and they will give you a list of any local outlets that carry them if you email them from their site.
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https://www.parrotts-furniture.com/ Florence, SC. This is a retail outlet that carries Jamison mattresses which include a variety of good quality latex models that don’t use polyfoam over the latex comfort layer. I called and they do carry several of their latex mattresses and they would also be well worth trying. All the Jamison specs are on the Jamison website.

https://www.knightfurnitureshowrooms.com/Default.aspx Florence, SC. This is a retail outlet that carries Restonic mattresses. I also called here to make surre that the Restonic latex models they carry don’t have any polyfoam over the latex and they don’t (Restonic is made differently in different areas of the country). They have a model which has a latex 6" core and a softer 2" latex comfort layer which may be well worth trying.

I had an interesting conversation today with one of the local stores (local to you) I called to see if they had any “latex” mattresses that you could try. She said “sure”. I asked for the details to see if it had any polyfoam in the mattress comfort layer and she got the spec sheet and read it to me. When she read the spec sheet to me … I noticed there was a 2" layer of 1217 foam and I commented that the “1217” foam over the latex was polyfoam (and there was more in the quilting as well). Her comment was “I don’t know anything about foam”. I said “thank you” and ended the conversation thinking “how can someone be selling mattresses that knows nothing about foam”. Unfortunately this is all too common in the industry. I’m mentioning this just to give an example of how important it can be to only deal with outlets that truly know what is in every layer of their mattress and are knowledgeable about the different types of foam and mattress construction. 1217 foam is low quality foam and along with the other polyfoam in the mattress would be the weak link in the mattress and the source of soft spots and impressions over time. It just amazes me that people who sell mattresses like this can call it a “latex mattress”.

If you have any questions along the way … feel free to post them here. I hope this helps a bit.

Phoenix

[jmbramblett]

This is great information. Thank you so much. I will definitely check out several that you mentioned and am glad to know that a few of the local dealers have latex in their stores. I’m not surprised that the salesperson did not know what you were talking about. That seems to be the norm in a lot of stores. They are just there to sell the product. I’ll keep you posted and again, thank you so much for your feedback.

[22bmarsh]

I live in Sacramento CA and was looking at the icomfort Revolution as I like the plush beds and the memory foam. After reading through several posts I too am just as confused if not more than other people on here. I have an 8 year old sleep number with an adjustable base but am starting to sink in the middle of my bed where the divider is at. I have a queen size bed and am 6’3" and 175 and I have no clue what I should be looking for. Firm beds don’t bode well with me and I usually sleep on my side and back. Phoenix can you please help me on where I should start looking? thanks

[phoenix]

Hi 22bmarsh,

This thread should help you with some better outlets in the Sacramento area.

Because a mattress is primarily a comfort layer (or layers) over a support layer (or layers) surrounded by a cover … it makes sense to first narrow down your search to the type of materials you prefer in each. It also makes sense to only buy a mattress from an outlet that has the knowledge and willingness to tell you what is in every layer of the mattresses that they sell and can show you how to tell the difference between high quality (more durable) and lower quality (less durable) versions of each material so you don’t end up buying a mattress that uses materials which feel great in a showroom but don’t keep that feel or their ability to relieve pressure or support you in good alignment over the long term. This is why when you are starting to look for a mattress one of the most important things you can do is to find the better outlets which are more focused on the materials in their mattress and ignore the rest which depend more on advertising stories and sales techniques than they do on factual information.

Better outlets will talk to you about the differences in materials and help you match a mattress to your needs and preferences rather than steering you in a direction which will do more for their profit or commission than it will for your long term satisfaction. In other words … where you buy a mattress and the knowledge and helpfulness of the outlet and person you are dealing with can be one of the most important initial steps in your search. Knowing what to avoid can help you eliminate 75% (or more) of the worst choices so you can spend more time on the 25% (or less) which are worth your time and effort (and money) and this article will help you do just that.

Some of the materials you will find in comfort layers are here.

Some of the materials you will find in support layers are here.

The best suggestion is to spend some time at home on the phone to talk with some of the outlets on the Sacramento list. In the beginning … “internet time” and “phone time” is far more helpful than “travel time” because it will help you narrow down which outlets are most worth visiting and which carry mattresses with the materials that you want to test. The ones that will provide the most helpful information about their mattresses on the phone including pricing rather than insist that you go there before they will give you any information are the ones that are most worth your travel time. What you are looking for is outlets that encourage comparison shopping based on their knowledge of materials in a mattress rather than the ones who do more to discourage it by focusing more on meaningless information and stories. A mattress is only as good or durable as its weakest link and without knowing what is in every layer of a mattress and the durability and qualities of different materials … it becomes impossible to know how long any mattress will last … no matter how it feels in a showroom.

Once you decide on a few better outlets to visit …

Decide (based on your own testing) on the type of materials you want in your comfort layers (or if you have tried your other options and are committed to memory foam as in the iComfort … then limit your search to memory foam)

Decide on the type of support layers you want underneath this comfort layer (the iComfort for example uses HD polyfoam but you could also choose an innerspring or latex).

Test each “candidate” for pressure relief, spinal alignment, and preferences. Which is the “best” here will depend on your weight, body shape, sleeping positions, and preferences. There is only “best for you”.

Compare the durability of the mattresses that are the best for you (from step 3) based on the quality of materials and construction that they use. This is (or should be) one of the main differences between different price ranges that use either different materials or different qualities of the same materials.

Decide on the best value between competing “equal” choices based on an “apples to apples” comparison.

All of this is much easier and much more enjoyable with the help of a good outlet where there is an “expert” who puts your best interests above their profit and will help you make meaningful comparisons rather than discourage it.

One final comment … if when you are making your phone calls you feel pressure to buy based on “time limited sales” which will “soon” end or some other sense of false urgency … pass them by. Great mattresses and great value is available from the better outlets 365 days of the year and these better outlets don’t depend on fake sales based on inflated prices or various other “urgency” techniques to sell their mattresses. They sell mattresses based on quality and value every day of the year.

Phoenix

[Mott]

Hi Phoenix,

You have been so helpful in all of your posts. I stumbled across this forum last night after my husband and I were out shopping the iComfort Revolution. We currently have a Select Comfort Sleep Number bed and my husband has back pain every morning. He has adjusted it up, down, we put a foam topper, took off the foam topper, etc. It just doesn’t work for him.

After reading through a lot of the conversations, I believe what we need is a firmer latex mattress. I am 5’3 110 lbs and my husband is 5’3 140 lbs. I am primarily a back sleeper, sometimes side, and he is primarily a stomach sleeper, sometimes side.

Do you have any suggestions on our best place to shop latex mattresses here in the Baton Rouge, Louisiana or surrounding areas? Also–do you agree that we should be shopping for a firmer mattress, despite our initial desire to go with a soft, plush mattress?

Any recommendations that you have would be greatly appreciated!!!

[phoenix]

Hi Mott,

I am not a fan of airbeds and this article goes into some details about why. Besides many other issues, air is an “on or off” material without any progressive resistance and it has no ability to adjust itself to different sleeping positions. It will always compress as far as the bladder around it will allow. Materials that are more progressively resistant (such as innersprings, polyfoam, or latex) are far better as a support layer because they can naturally adjust themselves to changes in position without having to re-set the firmness of the support layer.

With your height/weight and sleeping positions … it’s quite likely you will need a few inches of softer foam on top for pressure relief on your side. Under this you will need a support layer that can adjust itself to your different sleeping positions to both “help” the comfort layers with side sleeping and to hold up your heavier parts and keep them in alignment in all your sleeping positions. Latex is an ideal material because it can be both soft with some compression and yet gets progressively firmer with deeper compression so it can be used in both the upper comfort layers and the support layers underneath. A good starting point for testing mattresses with your lighter weights and sleeping positions would be about 2-3" of softer latex (in the range of 19 ILD) over firmer latex in the support core (around 28 - 32 ILD). This is a little softer and thinner than a heavier person or a pure side sleeper would normally use. Of course this is just a starting point for testing mattresses and your own experience would “adjust” both the firmness of the layers and the thickness of the comfort layers either up or down. In other words you would likely need a softer layer on top (for pressure relief) and a firmer layer under this (for support) and the “art” of mattress shopping is to find the best combination for both. Some local manufacturers will also make each side of a mattress differently if the needs of 2 people are different enough to warrant it.

There are three and possibly four local factory direct manufacturers that I know about in Baton Rouge and when I talked with them all of them fit the profile of local manufacturers that I like.

https://www.manta.com/c/mm42vf7/wholesale-mattress-factory They are run by a 72 year “young” guy that carries a wide range of mattresses on his floor and will make just about anything. In his own words … “he is cheaper and better than any major” and of course this is almost always the case with any factory direct manufacturer. Open, direct, and knowledgeable. Has no website and probably won’t until his son takes over the business. EDIT: they now have a website http://www.wholesalemattressfactory.com/

http://www.capitalbed.com/ (AKA https://www.pelicanmattress.com/) Also makes a wide range of mattresses including Dunlop latex and sells mostly wholesale to local outlets but will also sell to anyone who walks through the door (and I think they would be a good place to do just that :)) although of course he won’t “undercut” the already good prices of the retail outlets he supplies. Another local manufacturer that is knowledgeable, transparent and has good value.

http://www.istroumamattressfactory.com/ They are a 75 year old manufacturer that both makes and repairs mattresses. Another “old time” smaller (2 man) manufacturer who has been in business for decades. They manufacture a range of mattresses of using higher quality materials including traditional innerspring/polyfoam, memory foam, and latex hybrids.

A couple of retailers that may also be worth a visit and the manufacturers they carry I would focus on (although you would need to make sure that you are able to find out the specifics of the materials inside any mattress you are considering) are …

https://www.aamattressbr.com/ Gonzales, Zachary, LA. Pure Latex Bliss Talalay latex and latex hybrids.

https://www.beddingplusmattress.com/ Baton Rouge and others in the area. Jamison

https://www.furnituremarts.com/locations.aspx Baton Rouge and others in the area. Golden, Restonic

There is also a 4th local manufacturer in Lafayette for those who may want to include them in your research and/or take the drive …

Irvin’s Mattress I talked with Scott who is the 3rd generation of family ownership and they are making mattresses of all types including memory foam, talalay latex, and innersprings and use better quality materials and construction methods than you will see in typical chain stores and major brands. I guess Baton Rouge isn’t the only local manufacturing happening in Louisiana.
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I personally would spend my time with these as I would seriously doubt if any other outlets in Baton Rouge would have the same combination of knowledge, quality, and value. If I come across others in or near Baton Rouge in the course of my research I’ll certainly add to the list in this thread.

Hope this helps

Phoenix

[22bmarsh]

Phoenix,

Thanks for all your help. I called all over today and went to the local places in Sacramento since they’re right down the street from where I work. I think I’m going to choose a latex over anything else as they are amazingly comfortable and plush. The next question I have is what do I choose in a latex mattress? I like the talalay mattress but I don’t know how much of it I need to use as the core and base. If you could please direct me into the right direction that would be great. Also, to anyone that reads the forums Phoenix does a great job in actually calling the places as of most of the places I went to actually have talked to him and received a call right after I posted my first post.

[phoenix]

Hi 22bmarsh,

A “typical” construction for a latex mattress would be about 2" to 3" of talalay latex over a support system which could be either an innerspring, or about 6" or so of Polyfoam, Dunlop latex or Talalay latex. The reason talalay is a common choice on top is because it has a more consistent feel and can be made in softer versions than Dunlop latex providing better pressure relief. Having said that there are some people who prefer Dunlop and there is no right and wrong here.

Actual testing of a mattress for pressure relief (discovering the thickness and softness of the comfort layers that works best for you) and alignment (the choices between different types and firmnesses of the support system) along with personal preferences is the most accurate way of deciding what is best for each person … particularly if you have the help of someone who is good at knowing what your feedback points to in terms of the layers that would work best for you. Local manufacturers that make mattresses every day are usually very good at this and have trained their staff very well.

Typically side sleepers would do well to start their testing with a comfort layer in the range of 3-4", back sleepers in the range of 2-3" and more “pure” stomach sleepers in the range of 1-2". Heavier weights generally do better with firmer foams while lighter weights tend to do better with softer foams. That’s because the heavier a person is the more they will sink in and foams in general will feel softer to them.

The support material needs to “hold up” your heavier parts to keep your spine in alignment and each of the most common choices (innersprings, polyfoam, and latex) will have a different feel … even though they can all work well. The higher quality the material and the bigger range of response … the greater range of sleeping positions and weight ranges a given material can work with. Of course the better materials are also more costly. While there is a range of quality and expense in each type of material or support layer … generally you can expect polyfoam to be the lowest cost … a good quality innerspring to be next … Dunlop and blended Talalay to be next and natural Talalay to be the most expensive material.

This overview along with this page about your sleeping positions and this page about your “statistics” go into more detail.

The easiest way of course is to read enough so you have a general idea (and most of the appropriate information is in the mattresses section of the website) and then take advantage of someone elses’ expertise who has been helping “fit” people to a mattress for many years. The more they know and the more willing they are to help you … the less you have to know or become an “expert” yourself. This is one of the biggest advantages of dealing with a factory direct manufacturer or sleep shop.

So hopefully I haven’t overwhelmed you with reading but knowing some of the basics can help an “expert” to help you much more effectively.

Phoenix

[soreshoulder717]

How can I find out the ILD of the polyfoam support layer/base of the major brand names making memory foam mattresses?
I know you don’t feel the icomfort represents the best value, but it is the line I’m considering currently.(the insight)
I prefer 2.5"-3" on top, no more though.
I prefer the laminated layers and the decent warranty with the Tempur’s and iComfort’s.(0.75" depression replacement)

If I could get a laminated version from a local manufacturer I would, but there doesn’t seem to be any in the Lehigh Valley.(Allentown-Bethlehem PA)

I am a side sleeper(90%) and back(10%).
I am a male, 5’8"-140lbs.
Dislocated C3 and C4.
I will be getting an appropriately sized memory foam pillow as well after choosing my mattress as my current cotton/2.5lb density mem foam @ 1.5" made by me pillow is much too thin after a years use.

I did like the top layer of the gel memory foam, although I do not have an issue with sleeping warm on memory foam like some.

The latex I’ve tried was much too springy for my personal sleeping taste. Although that was only the Sleep Options line with China pouring.

TIA!!

[shari]

I also put a deposit down on an icomfort bed tonight but am second guessing the purchase now that I have read your posts. I have been having significant problems sleeping for quite some time now. Tossing and turning all night long, waking up with headaches, pain in my neck and sore elbows from trying to prop up my pillow under my head. I went to the mattress shop tonight thinking I needed a new pillow but it would seem that my mattress is too firm for me and that is more likely the problem. I live in Alberta, Canada so I don’t have as many options but I have been doing some investigating online and I was wondering if you could give me your opinion on a couple of mattresses. I am 5’8" and weigh 135 lbs, my husband is 6’3" and 215. He has also had some lower back problems off and on over the past few years. We also have a king size bed.
FYI The icomfort bed would cost us $1700 and maybe a little less since I know someone who works at the store.

https://en.memoryfoamcomfort.ca/ I was thinking the cumulus model

Memory Foam Mattresses Made For Better Sleep | Novosbed

[soreshoulder717]

I know I am new here, but from what I have gathered the issue with the iComfort lineup is the foundation…NOT the mattress.
The foundation is poorly constructed with weak material and large gaps which could easily be the cause of the premature sagging. I would advise adding a 1/4"-1/2" piece of mdf wood or buying a platform bed instead, with just the iComfort mattress.

I am deciding between an iComfort Insight on a platform or a Tempur-Cloud on either a platform or Tempurpedic’s foundation and metal frame. I have been told by the significant other that I have 24hrs to go, haha.

[phoenix]

Hi Soreshoulder,

IMO … the real issue with the iComfort is not the foundation (that’s easy to “fix” with a different choice) but with the value of the mattresses they and all other major brands are selling to consumers. None of the major brands would be in business for very long if they began to disclose the quality and accurate specs of the materials that they were using in every layer of their mattress and consumers as a whole both knew about and were able to make meaningful comparisons with the many other options that are available from smaller manufacturers across the country.

In your first post you asked …

How can I find out the ILD of the polyfoam support layer/base of the major brand names making memory foam mattresses?

Unfortunately in most cases you can’t. Not only that but in many cases they won’t even tell you even more important information such as the density of the foams they use in each layer (which directly relates to quality and durability while ILD relates to softness/firmness and any quality of foam can be made softer and firmer).

If they did disclose the information that is really needed to determine the value and quality of any mattress and what its weak link might be (the part that wears out the fastest) … they just wouldn’t be able to compete with the smaller manufacturers who sell much higher quality mattresses at lower prices and do business based on local reputation and word of mouth rather than advertising stories … most of which are misleading at best. The irony is that they have access to the same suppliers and materials as the major brands … they just use higher quality, better construction methods, and sell them at lower prices all year long without any need to negotiate or haggle to get their best price.

There is no other important product that I know of (including cars) where consumers are willing to pay such a large amount on such a blind purchase with so little even basic knowledge and make their purchase based on advertising stories alone.

In the case of the iComfort insight … you basically have a mattress with 2 3/4 inches of a 4 lb gel memory foam with particles of gel impregnated inside it which are not a part of the memory foam polymer structure (meaning the risk is good that like all particulate additives it may break down the structure of the base memory foam faster) and this is over a support foam that is 1.5 lbs which is lower quality and normally found in less expensive mattresses. For many it may feel great in the showroom … but so will many other mattresses and do you really know how long an unknown foam like this will last? Is a very basic memory foam mattress like this really worth what you are paying for it? Have you compared it to other memory foam mattresses that use either the same or better quality materials? Most people that go into a chain store have no reference point with which to tell whether what they are being told about the “benefits” of gel memory foam are true or what the claims are based on. What they are being told is all about perception, differentiation, and profit margin.

I have to admit that Serta has done a great job of marketing this mattress and raising awareness about gel materials in general (which have been in the market for some time) and this is clearly their strong point. They really did hit a home run with their marketing but unfortunately consumers are the “other team”. Many other manufacturers including many smaller manufacturers across the country are now also coming out with different versions of gel materials and combinations (including various methods of including it in memory foam) and some of these are almost certainly better than the type of gel application used by Serta. They will also likely sell for a lower price … but consumers in their advertising induced confusion will probably continue buying a lower quality mattress at a higher price just because the major retailers carry them and like the profit margin they provide.

Almost all high quality memory foam mattresses have a .75 warranty but even this is mostly meaningless because long after a memory foam or even polyfoam is too soft to sleep on it still won’t usually have an impression deep enough to be covered by a warranty. Warranties are primarily a sales tool used as a closing technique and/or to alter consumer perceptions of quality rather than a legitimate protection against the most common failures of most mattresses.

If I could get a laminated version from a local manufacturer I would, but there doesn’t seem to be any in the Lehigh Valley.(Allentown-Bethlehem PA)

The closest factory direct manufacturers along with some of the retail options and possibilities in the area that I would consider (assuming they are willing and able to provide you with the details of what is in their mattresses) are listed in post #6 here.

It may well be worth a few calls to see what they offer that may “compete” with the iComfort in terms of value and your own comfort.

Overall though if you do decide to go with memory foam or the iComfort you are wise to only consider relatively thinner layers of memory foam because of your back issues. Memory foam is a non supportive material (which is why it’s never used in the support layers) and thicker layers can aggravate back issues caused by poor alignment in many cases. It may also be worth testing other latex mattresses at these local manufacturers just to make sure how you feel about it mainly because Sleep Options isn’t really what I would call a latex mattress (it has some Dunlop layers).

There are always online options if your local choices are more limited but at least you have a couple of options for comparison that are within a reasonable driving distance or at least worth a phone call before you “pull the trigger” in the next 24 hours or so :).

Phoenix

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Hi Shari,

The cumulus mattress uses very high quality materials (Aerus 5 lb memory foam is one of the best memory foams IMO and is also one of the most breathable memory foams made because of the VPF process that is used by FXI which manufactures it). They also use very high quality polyfoam underneath it (higher quality than most mattresses in this price range). Overall it is a very good mattress.

I would be a little hesitant in buying a mattress online though … particularly with some of the issues you are having … mainly because even the best mattress may not provide what you need in terms of pressure relief, alignment, or preferences. Testing a mattress before you buy it or testing a similar mattress with a similar construction is the only way to really know for certain how well it may work for you.

Novosbed uses Chinese memory foam and while it has what would normally be considered to be a higher density (5.2 lbs) … there are a lot of chinese memory foams that achieve this density using fillers and the foam will not last. It has not been certified for chemicals or offgassing which I would consider to be important especially with Chinese memory foam.

So of these two I would choose the Cumulus but again … personal testing of a mattress is an important part of the process unless there is a very low cost return and refund available and I would confirm what their policy is here.

If you let me know what city in Alberta you live in I’d be happy to take a look to see if there are any local options I know about. If you happen to live in Calgary there are some excellent options there including two of our manufacturing members.

While it may be true that your current mattress is too firm … your symptoms could also very well be aggravated by a pillow that isn’t suitable for you and/or your sleeping position. What position do each of you normally sleep in?

Phoenix