Toronto Mattress Search

@vram and @lisa,

For what itā€™s worth, I have purchased one of these style mattressesā€¦ Iā€™d looked at sleeptek and green sleep, both in the more premium category as Phoenix says. We also made sure to get a matching foundation and top of the line mattress protector, and a number of beddings. Iā€™m in Calgary, so different stores, but Iā€™d imagine a similar experience. A green sleep happened to fit me and wife best.

While there was lower prices elsewhere or online (and assuming the mattress accomplishes the PPP for you), I have been very happy and well taken care of having bought a ā€œpremiumā€ product from a local store, and would recommend it. It was well worth it for my wife and I, and we are very satisfied.

Hi vram,

The layer thicknesses are only one of several factors (including the firmness or softness of each layer and the many possible combinations of layering) that will affect how a mattress feels and performs so I would focus more on your testing rather than the specs or layer thicknesses then look to see what the layering of the mattress you liked best is.

I would also suggest using the testing guidelines in post #1 here because 10 minutes on a mattress is a little bit on the short side for testing a mattress.

Now that you have tested several mattresses you have some reference points to go by so I would call some of the other manufacturers and retailers on the Toronto list and let them know what youā€™ve tested so far that worked well for you and ask them if they have anything in all latex that they believe would also be worth testing. The more you do on the phone the less travel and testing time you will have to spend because you can do some narrowing down first based on your phone conversations.

Phoenix

Wellā€¦ I had basically decided to go with flobeds as I liked the idea of the vzone and talalay.
Although more expensive than other on-line options ($3300 for king) , still less than the $4200-$5000 to buy locally. Still suffer from sticker-shock :slight_smile:

VRAMā€¦FYI, we went to foamite in Vaughan yesterday and not convinced of the options there either. We thought about going to Ideal also but decided not to Iā€™m confused enough already :blink:

My husbands preference is still to buy in Canada leaving us with sleeptek (euro 4), obasan in Ottawa (also sleeptek, but the house brand) or Greensleep. They all seem like great qualityā€¦ At a premium price. I noticed that Obasan mattress also offer a zoned top layerā€¦ Not sure if this might be an option on the Sleeptek bed offered in TO.

Dn, thanks for the feedback. Which model did you purchase? Was it from The Mattress and Sleep co in Calgary? Iā€™ve checked them out also:)

I continue to struggle with biting the bulletā€¦ So much $$ for a mattress, but sleeping well (hopefully!) will be worth it.
Flobeds, Greensleep, Sleeptec/Obasanā€¦ Will be one of these and I better decide before my husbands loses it,lol.

Indeed it was The Mattress and Sleep Company (tmasc). Since I snore so bad, I usually get kicked out into a diff room, so we ended up getting 2 beds. One king for our master and one twinxl for me in a different room. We got the green sleep Vicence, which is 3 layers each 3" thick of the green sleep latex, encased in their cotton/wool as Iā€™m sure youā€™ve seen. We got the s-200 foundations, and the green sleep vasilo mattress protector. We had a great time with tmasc. I posted my experience here.

https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/great-purchase-experience

Note that we didnā€™t get the layers ā€˜perfectā€™ in round 1. I had thought soft / med / firm was the way to go, but after a few nights it became clear it was a bit too firm for me. I tried it that way for about 2 weeks to adjust. My wife did soft / soft / firm from the start and she loves it, and Iā€™m trying that too now (and itā€™s made a huge difference!) Thatā€™s one place tmasc has been great - post sale service and support as needed. I know Iā€™m super picky, so post sale service was a significant feature, and with the amount we were spending are looking for perfection. In fact, Iā€™m trying a 3" sleeptek wool topper in a couple weeks once it arrives in addition to the latex softness changes.

Good luck with your search. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Thanks again Dn and Phoenix for your feedback:)

Dn, we did try 1 Greensleep mattress at Soma in TO. Can I tell you how much I loved the cover on itā€¦pure coziness and luxury! Seems a shame to cover it up!
I canā€™t recall the modelā€¦perhaps it was the vicense or the dolcezza. It def. was more expensive than the top Sleeptek matress which was $4200.

Did you try the Sleeptec as well? We were told some people found the Greensleep to be a little more firmā€¦not sure I could tell a big difference. For the Sleeptek euro 4, my side was soft/ soft/med and quite comfortable. (Husbands was soft/med/firmā€¦I think)
Wonder how a flobeds mattress stacks upā€¦there is certainly positive feedback about them on-line.

FYI, we tried a wool topper at another store and I really liked the feel of them. A king topper was going to run @ $1000 and we were advised they could pack down quite quickly and could possibly be 2-3 yrs and would need to be replaced. Iā€™m certainly hoping to get away with not requiring one.
Have you by any chance heard of the Lanoodle topper by Cozypure? ( on-line) Again, lots of great reviews on thisā€¦
This topper does have me intrigued, but will wait to see how we fare with the mattress one we receiveā€¦if I can make a final decision,lol, on which one to go with!

VRAMā€¦wishing you luck too with your continued searchā€¦maybe weā€™ll settle on the same thing:)

Hi Lisa_mocha,

[quote]Have you by any chance heard of the Lanoodle topper by Cozypure? ( on-line) Again, lots of great reviews on thisā€¦
This topper does have me intrigued, but will wait to see how we fare with the mattress one we receiveā€¦if I can make a final decision,lol, on which one to go with![/quote]

You can read a little more about my own thoughts and experience with Lanoodles topper in post #38 here and a forum search on lanoodles (you can just click this) will bring up more comments about it as well.

Phoenix

No additional progress to report from the weekend in terms of actual testing, but I do have some more questions/comments that have come as I continue to research this purchase.

So I think that I am getting very close to finding the range of layer configurations that work well for me. Definitely leading towards the firmer support layers with maybe a 1-2" softer layer on top. I have emailed Ideal Mattress Ltd back to see if I could get the specs on their firm, medium and soft layers that I tested last week. I am trying to not get too caught up in the technical specs, but I do find it difficult to compare mattresses when the descriptions are somewhat vague (and yes Phoenix, I realize that ILDā€™s can vary by type of latex and will even be different across the zones in the 7-zone layerā€¦but just go with me hereā€¦my brain works on numbers).

Based on this understanding, I am also starting to look at the SleepEZ/Flobed options online. A big part of my PVE is going to be the quality of the finish. Assuming I get the layers right, a big part of my satisfaction is going to come from how luxurious the finished product feels. It seems like everyone uses the organic cotton covers. Any comments on the differences/feel of these two?

What is the point/value of an additional mattress topper like the Lanoodle or Cozypure? Do they just provide a different feel to having a soft comfort layer?

European slat foundationsā€¦worth it? Or one of those adjustable options that will never really be utilized?

[quote=ā€œLisa_mochaā€ post=25053]Thanks again Dn and Phoenix for your feedback:)

Dn, we did try 1 Greensleep mattress at Soma in TO. Can I tell you how much I loved the cover on itā€¦pure coziness and luxury! Seems a shame to cover it up!
I canā€™t recall the modelā€¦perhaps it was the vicense or the dolcezza. It def. was more expensive than the top Sleeptek matress which was $4200.

Did you try the Sleeptec as well? We were told some people found the Greensleep to be a little more firmā€¦not sure I could tell a big difference. For the Sleeptek euro 4, my side was soft/ soft/med and quite comfortable. (Husbands was soft/med/firmā€¦I think)
Wonder how a flobeds mattress stacks upā€¦there is certainly positive feedback about them on-line.

FYI, we tried a wool topper at another store and I really liked the feel of them. A king topper was going to run @ $1000 and we were advised they could pack down quite quickly and could possibly be 2-3 yrs and would need to be replaced. Iā€™m certainly hoping to get away with not requiring one.
Have you by any chance heard of the Lanoodle topper by Cozypure? ( on-line) Again, lots of great reviews on thisā€¦
This topper does have me intrigued, but will wait to see how we fare with the mattress one we receiveā€¦if I can make a final decision,lol, on which one to go with!

VRAMā€¦wishing you luck too with your continued searchā€¦maybe weā€™ll settle on the same thing:)[/quote]

Hi Lisa;

Basically we got the same advice as you. We had felt we wanted a touch firmer, and so were directed the Green Sleep route vs Sleeptek since some people find green sleep a tad firmer. Yes, we did try both sleeptek and green sleep and liked both. Iā€™d guess if you tried a Green Sleep it was the Dolcezza (seems to be the flagship model they have people try). The vicence is very similar, 9" latex in vicence vs 9.5" in Dolcezza - slightly different layering. Mostly, we felt the Dolcezza had the topper which while excellent, we thought we could get a separate topper if we decided it was needed having tested the mattress alone first, and as a separate topper could replace it as needed (vs. having it built into the mattress cover), therefore getting the vicence. The ā€˜topperā€™ on the Dolcezza is basically a premium topper (soft latex + wool + some silk I believe). We felt the Sleeptek Classic 1000 /2000 /3000 toppers would give us choice if we needed to that, and having tried them in store to compare side by side in store felt very similar - hence trying the classic 2000 wool topper now (i.e. the $300-500 we saved on the vicence vs the Dolcezza is the value of the topper). The Classic 2000 is in the neighborhood of $1000 for the kingā€¦ a bit less (or possibly somewhat less with the purchase of a bed if you get through the same company).

Iā€™m a fan of wool, mostly because my last mattress had it (so I was told, never verified), and it fared well and was nice. Everything Iā€™ve read says it packs about 30% assuming a high quality. Plus, several of the premium mattresses use it in their comfort layers, often along with latex, for that feel of plushness.

Iā€™ll do a review of the Sleeptek Classic 2000 when I get it.

We also did the Green Sleep mattress cover - remarkably expensive, but itā€™s super luxurious. About $500 for the king. Really thick organic stretch knit fabric. Itā€™s the vasilo. The other popular one is the St. Dormeir. If you get a chance, check them both out - Iā€™d not have been able to imagine either of them without touching/seeing them.

Basically, Iā€™ve accepted that my fate is to try pretty much every combination of latex and toppers I reasonably am interested in. I can see trying a talalay topper, different mixtures of latex, and different mixtures of latex with no topper or with a topper. Iā€™m a bit OCD when it comes to comparing thingsā€¦ and (for better or worse), Iā€™ve got enough $ that the relative costs of each ā€˜trialā€™ isnā€™t that huge a deal (also helps that we have 2x beds, and iā€™m trying this on a twinxl which is way less $$ than trying on a king). Weā€™ve got a great base bed with the Green Sleep, so trying diff latex or diff toppers is pretty simple and a matter of trying to refine to perfection :slight_smile:

For what itā€™s worth, we also got good beddings. Most importantly, we got some pillows that accomplishes proper alignmentā€¦ your mattress can have all the PPP dealt with, but you can screw up your neck alignment with an improper pillow. So we really went in wanting a ā€˜sleep systemā€™, and not just a mattress system.

The sleepteks looked amazing to us alsoā€¦ it was really just the initial decision of more soft or slightly more firm, similar to what you saw, that we ended up with green sleep. My brother has an obasan (for a while they had a store in calgary). He and his wife swear by it.

I looked at the LaNoodleā€¦ my guess was that the noodles would move all around. Iā€™m more interested in wool and latex thatā€™s a bit more consistent. So far, I find wool a bit more of a ā€˜fluffyā€™ feeling, and latex a bit more of a smooth-but-pressure relieving feeling. I read somewhere, and it stayed in my mind, that wool is fluffy and absorbs you, and latex is soft but pushes back (since itā€™s elastic).

Good luck. Iā€™ll let you know about the wool (arrives in about 1.5-2 weeks Iā€™m told)

VRAM-I share your pain on option/info overload:)
I think for us, itā€™s still coming down to Flobeds, or Sleeptek. I really liked the Greensleep model we tried too and when I read dnā€™s feedback, Iā€™d like to see if it was the vicense. From a $ perspective, Flobeds might come out on top. Shipping to Canada will be another $300-350, or we could drive the short distance to the border and ship to the Ups store in Buffalo ($99 shipping) and just pay the ON sales tax at the border. Decisions, decisions!
As youā€™ll see on the Flobeds site, their beds come with a 2ā€™ā€™ convuloted topper (soft) and Iā€™ve read some reviews that Flobeds cover is better quality than SleepEz. Lots of great reviews on Sleepez mattresses, but like you, the feel of the bed is important to me.
(Although could get a lux mattress pad as the Greensleep one that dn has purchased. Really, once a protector goes on, you donā€™t feel the cover of the mattress anywaysā€¦)

Dn, would love to hear about the wool topper after youā€™ve received. Your beds(s) sound heavenly! (Even if you do get sent off to the snorers room, lol)
The Greensleep mattress cover des look wonderful. I did see the St Dormier cover at Elte last weekendā€¦ Am sure it works wonderfully, but canā€™t say I really liked the feel of the terry.( Maybe not so noticeable by the time sheets go on top??)

VRAM, It appears weā€™re having the same ā€˜funā€™ :slight_smile:
I keep coming back to Sleeptek Euro 4 or Flobeds. Greensleep is appealing also, but itā€™s that little bit of addā€™l $$, even with the luxurious cover. Dnā€™s positive feedback on the vicense is keeping in my short-list, but Iā€™d need to head back to Soma to try it out.
Flobeds certainly is best on price and great on-line reviewsā€¦just the risk of purchasing on-line and dealing with potential cross border exchanges that weigh in negatively, despite the wonderful customer service provided. So much easier to drive to a local storeā€¦
fYI, in case you havenā€™t spoken with Flobeds re shipping, the fee is @ $99 to US address and @ $300-350 to Canada.
Weā€™ve shipped to a UPS store in Buffalo before ( weā€™re in Oakville so just 1 hr to the border) as it eliminates the risk of added brokerage fees. Would just need to pay the 13% ON sales taxā€¦no duty as made in the US. ( I called Customs to verify)

Iā€™ m with you in the look and feel of the cover being important to me, despite the fact that it will be covered with a mattress pad and sheets. I have to say that I did see the St Dormier pad and wasnā€™t wowed with the feel of the terry.

Dn, does the Greensleep vasilo pad look as pictured on the TMASC website? ( I think crib version)
Iā€™ve seen pics on other website (natural sleep store) and it looks a little different.
Would also love to hear your thought on the wool topper one you receive itā€¦Iā€™m all for that cozy/ plush:)
Your bed (s) sound heavenlyā€¦even if you are banished to the snorers Ron,lol.

Happy shopping!

Hi Lisa_mocha,

Weā€™re probably closer to the same track than you realize.

After not even being open to ordering online, I am slowly but surely making my way towards ordering a Flobed. The logic behind the decision is based on a couple of factors.

The biggest reason is that it seems to offer the best value for the configuration that I have found most comfortable. The two beds that I liked the most were the Sleeptek Euro 4 (4"/4"/2") and the Ideal (7"/3"/1"). The Flobed (3"/3"/3"/2") is very close to that and possibly offers some additional benefits:

  • Instead of having the 7" Firm support layer in the Ideal mattress Ltd, I am going to go with a 3" x-Firm and a 3" Firm as the bottom two support layers in the Flobed. This way I can have some more flexibility in tweaking the feel of the bed by being able to switch the two layers around.

  • The V-Zone is appealing to me. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Ideal mattress had the 7-zone thing going on and I actually found it quite comfortable. I have been a little concerned about getting the V-Zone right and dealing with a bunch of layer exchanges, but I spoke with Dewey on the phone and he said that they can include the additional components to make either V-Zone a Med/Firm combinationā€¦and at no extra charge. This is a big plus in terms of being able to have the ability to adjust the mattress and not have to worry about layer exchanges and cross-border issues.

  • The 2" convoluted layer works for me (in theory). It seems like it would be close enough the the 2" layer on the Sleeptek and the 1" layer on the Ideal mattress that it would provide the softness/pressure relief that I am looking for over top of a firm support layer. This, along with the V-Zone is what steered me towards Flobeds and not SleepEZ (even though they do seem to be a better ā€œvalueā€). I havenā€™t found the 3" comfort layer on other beds as comfortable as the 2" or 1".

So based on that, I am definitely leaning towards Flobeds at the moment. I have read quite a few of Phoenixā€™s comments around the risk of going with more layers and zoning and the challenge in getting it right. And it does concern me, especially since this is all based on theory and not any real testing. I recognize that I am making some pretty big assumptions about how different materials and layers will feel when put together. Having said that, I do tend to obsess about these things and am constantly tweaking/adjusting things. Having the ability to make these changes will bring a certain level of satisfaction and hopefully result in a great sleeping experience.

Will definitely do the shipping to Buffalo.

I have a call into Ideal trying to confirm their pricing. Depending on what they come back with that could be an influencing factor. To be honest though, I probably havenā€™t gone about the Ideal experience the right way. The interaction so far has been kind of spotty. The sales guy on the weekend was kind of weak and didnā€™t really add much value to the process. Also, with only the one model on the floor, it was tough to really do any comparisons. I should have called and tried to deal directly with Stan or Christina and hopefully have had a more productive visit. But I ended up with a few hours between running kids to an from activities and took my chances by going in.

Would definitely welcome any feedback on my logic.

Also interested in feedback on the foundation - the tweaker in me wants the Euro Slat option. The practical guy doesnā€™t think it will be worth the extra $200. Thoughts?

Same for the bed cover. I was going to go with the St. Dormier site unseen. Feedback here seemed good. Also, I donā€™t really have enough experience to know what my preference would be.

Thanks,
Van

I certainly like it the greensleep (both the Vicence and Dolcezza), but Iā€™d have equally bought a sleeptek. The decision between the two was purely comfort (i.e. only consider the green sleep it if itā€™s amazing for you!). We started with the Vicence because we felt it was a bit more modular than the Dolcezza with respect to toppers and didnā€™t know if we wanted a topper in the first place.

Yes, the vasilo I got looks exactly like the one on the tmasc website, although obviously not a crib size. Iā€™ll take a picture of one of mine and post. I looked at the natural sleep store picture, and mine does not look like their picture. Interestingly, I canā€™t find another vendor with the same pictures as tmasc, so I donā€™t know if there are different models or prints in the top fabric that can be ordered or something.

The vasilo is deepā€¦ it fits deep mattresses, but that does mean you need to tuck it in, so to speak, on less thick mattresses. Plus, theyā€™ve left some room for shrinking in the wash, and we didnā€™t pre-wash it, so there is extra material that we tuck in. I consider this a feature, since when I get the wool mattress topper (or any other topper I try if another), I can put the topper under it too and protect the topper. But if youā€™re looking for a very snug fit then this doesnā€™t match that requirement. It doesnā€™t interfere with itā€™s use at all, but may change the aesthetics a bit I suppose.

I also note, the ā€˜organic cottonā€™ and ā€˜greensleepā€™ embroidered in the fabric can be seen through lighter colored or thin sheets (itā€™s by no means darky written, but my wife noticed it in near-white sheets). It doesnā€™t bother us at all, but just to be super detailed about our experience with it.

Iā€™ll post pictures of the vasilo as I can.

yes, Iā€™ll be ā€˜reviewingā€™ the sleeptek wool topper. Iā€™m doing it on the twinxl first, which is where i sleep most of the timeā€¦ then wife can test too, and I can swap out a bunch of combinations of latex and topper. I like the feel of latex, but think I might like some more ā€˜fluffyā€™ feeling better, especially sleeping on side. Iā€™ll definitely post the wool review info and pictures.

Iā€™ll be trying:

soft / med / firm / no topper - tried, too firm
soft / med / firm / with wool topper - to test

soft / soft / firm / no topper - tried, very nice, but sometimes think maybe Iā€™d like more padding/softness)
soft / soft / firm / with wool topper - to test

soft / soft / med / no topper - to test
soft / soft / med / with wool topper - to test

Yes, Iā€™m a perfectionist who likes a perfectly comfortable bed :wink:

And apparently, thereā€™s an experimental ā€˜ultra softā€™ green sleep latex being tested for durability right now in quebec, but not available and wonā€™t be unless it passes their quality controls.

Hi All,

Van, your logic makes perfect sense to me! Itā€™s the convuloted topper and the vzone that has appealed to me from Flobeds, as I know Iā€™ll want some softness, esp. in the hips and shoulders. Dewey has certainly been kind on the phone.
(heyā€¦if itā€™s good enough for Barbara Barry and Mark Ruffalo, good enough for me,lolā€¦Celeb reviews)
Iā€™m more comfortable with shipping to Buffalo tooā€¦pay the Receiving fees etc. That way, no extra ā€˜surprisesā€™ with a delivery to the door in Canada.

FYI, we did go to Foamite in Vaughan on the weekend. They did have a few beds with posted ILDā€™s so that might be of interest for you to check out. (now, whether or not their ILD/ratings would be comparableā€¦)
I tried a 19,23,26 and 29. I even found the 29 on the firmish side. Liked the 19, but I know too soft, so I guess my preference was 23-26max, but I was advised 29 might provide better support. My husband prefers a firm bed and was happy enough testing a mattress with ILD of 34. I might end up a little softer than what the Flobeds website shows as a recommendation based on weight, sleeping preference etc.
Foamite offers both dunlop and talalay (about a $1000 price diff), but I have to admit I was a liitle confused as to how these mattresses were built. We both preferred the feel of the Sleeptek at Soma.

Re: the St Dormier cover, Iā€™m pretty sure Soma had them and I think you mentioned you lived nearby. Elte, just a few minutes away, had them upstairs in the Bedding Dept which is where I saw it. Maybe under a sheet, the texture of the terry wouldnā€™t be as noticable, but it did throw me off a bit. (although wool component good for temperature regulation)
Iā€™ll be looking at Sleeptek, Cozypure or Greensleep option,the vasilo dn has recommended. If itā€™s anything like the quality of the Greensleep mattress cover, am sure itā€™s great.

dn-wow, you have lots of options to test! Iā€™m glad Iā€™m not the only one in search of the perfectly comfortable bed.
My husband thinks Iā€™m insane for spending this much timeā€¦then again, I think he could sleep on his head in a corner:)
Would be great if you could post a pictureā€¦thank you!

Will keep you posted on the continuing saga of ā€˜the mattrress missionā€™
(is it just me, or can purchasing a home be easier,lol)

Hi Lisa_mocha,

I know you know this but for the benefit of others who read this ā€¦ I would be very cautious about using an ā€œautomatedā€ method for choosing your layers of giving them much weight in your decisions because these are only very generic and often not the most suitable choice. Personal conversations and the suggestions they make are usually a much more effective way of making layering choices.

Phoenix

Picture attached of vasilo on king.

Also, Clawdia in this thread:
https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/mattress-protector-inquiry

Says sheā€™s found the vasilo at 20% off.

Iā€™ve pointed her at this thread, due to the question about the finish of the fabric.
And Iā€™m posting a link that thread in this thread (that thread being about mattress protectors).

Thank you dn! Does not look like the one posted on some of the US websites, but this one sure looks ā€˜authenticā€™ with greensleep name all over it:)
I did see the sale at the Clean Bedroom.

Do you think it sleeps ā€˜warmā€™?? We had 1 protector I ended up removing as it just seems to have built up too much heat.
In that regard, the St Dormier would be a good option with the terry/wool.
Decisions, decisions on mattresses, pads and pillowsā€¦Iā€™m going gray:)

Iā€™m going to try to finalize this weekend!

[quote=ā€œLisa_mochaā€ post=25143]Thank you dn! Does not look like the one posted on some of the US websites, but this one sure looks ā€˜authenticā€™ with greensleep name all over it:)
I did see the sale at the Clean Bedroom.

Do you think it sleeps ā€˜warmā€™?? We had 1 protector I ended up removing as it just seems to have built up too much heat.
In that regard, the St Dormier would be a good option with the terry/wool.
Decisions, decisions on mattresses, pads and pillowsā€¦Iā€™m going gray:)

Iā€™m going to try to finalize this weekend!
[/quote]

Hi Lisa,

Iā€™m not sure if the one at the Clean Bedroom is just a different pattern embroidered into it, totally different stock, or a bad picture. I do know the one I got is identical to the one I saw in tmasc, which is the same as on their website. I have no idea :frowning:

As to warm? I donā€™t think it does no. I sleep exceptionally hot, soā€¦ Now that said, Iā€™ve worked many means to sleep cool because usually Iā€™m so hot. We have air conditioning, and itā€™s programmed to drop the house to about 19 degrees Celsius at night. The blankets we have are wool from Bed Bath and Beyond, and tend to be a touch more temperature regulating. The sheets in my bed are pure linen, which is quite cool too (more so than cotton I find), and my pillows are encased in st dormier (the down pillow), or have a cooling treatment of some form and light cotton protector (zedbed breeze pillow). Needless to say, I needed a hot water bottle the other day (which is unheard of for me). The biggest impactor on that being the air conditioningā€¦ Once you get 9" of dense latex cooled, it takes a while to heat up :wink: in other words, no I donā€™t think the mattress protector sleeps hot, but I do have several things Iā€™ve used to cool down.

I seriously gave up on the decision making. Buy it all and sort it out through actual use is what I decided :wink: hopefully my experiences and comparisons can be helpful for others. For whatever itā€™s worth, as mattress protectors go, I wouldnā€™t wish anything different about the one we have.

And the plot thickensā€¦

So I just received a very nice phone call from Stan at Ideal Mattress Ltd. Itā€™s 8:30pm so a little unexpectedā€¦but was pleasantly surprised that he called. About an hour before I had re-sent my message from yesterday looking for some additional information. He called me back right away, apologized for not responding sooner, and was extremely helpful on the phone.

We talked about the various mattress options and got into some of the details of the one I tested in the showroom (7" firm, 3" firm, 1" soft"). He indicated that the firm is in the 27-28 ILD range, and the soft is in the 17-18 ILD range. Iā€™m not really overly concerned about the specs (which is why I didnā€™t ask in the showroom), but it is helpful to have an idea when comparing the layers for other mattresses.

I did ask about a medium layer and he gave an interesting answer. He said that they have found that there isnā€™t much of a difference between the firm and medium cores that they get from their suppliers. Instead if they feel the need when working with a customer they will try and create an ā€œin-betweenā€ layer from a firm core. To get their layer combos they cut a 7" core into 2 x 3" and 1 x 1". He said that because the cores arenā€™t consistent all the way through because of the baking process, there can be some subtle differences in firmness that give them a little flexibility if someone is looking for something a little less firm.

In terms of pricing, he is right in line with the other options - about $3,000 for a King.

Lisa_mocha and dn, maybe you want to check him out for a mattress cover. He said they do a very luxurious silk cover. About $600 for a King. Might even rival dnā€™s Vasilo cover!

Lol, youā€™d be shocked (I was) at some of the super high end bedding, some of which is all for showā€¦ Some of which is more comfortable than I could imagine.

For fun, I looked at a set of sheetsā€¦ $3,000 for a single queen flat sheet. More than $10k for duvet cover, flat sheet, fitted sheet, and 2 pillow cases. Cashmere and silk. Itā€™s horrible, and Iā€™m sure uncomfortable! Apparently Celine Dion has them. Also, apparently most of the ā€˜salesā€™ have been of the fabric swatches for people to see in showrooms.
http://www.tmasc.ca/st-geneve-custom-bedding/CashmereSet.html

Or, look into a genuine eiderdown duvet or pillow. $5,000 for a pillow, $10k for a duvet. Apparently, there are more Ferraris sold than eiderdown duvets each year.

(Just examples of tmasc stuff. Iā€™m sure there are high-high end retailers that go way beyond that)

I went with pure linen for sheets, which is sufficiently costly, and wool for duvet and maybe topper. Please, Donā€™t get me interested in trying out silk! :wink: :wink: :wink:

there are people out there that have 1 flat sheet more expensive than any of us have spent on the entire bed. You could easily spend $50k outfitting one king bed if money were no object.

(Yes, I had a blast shopping for bedding. Who couldnā€™t be entertained when looking at a bedding set the price of a small car. But every fabric we looked at had a storyā€¦ Which mill in Europe each fabric comes from, how the mill has been around for generations, what they specialize in, how their fine European fabric feels vs. a different fine European fabric. Me and my wife felt like a million bucks! And no, we donā€™t have a million :wink: )