I am literally laying on the very edge of my winkbeds softter mattress at this very moment and I can tell you this (and I weigh 178, you have to know how much a person weighs in theses discussions) and I can just sense that Iâm on the very edge because it seems just a tad firmer than the rest of the mattress. This is what I want, because i need for the edge to conform to my body the same as the rest of the mattress and this mattress does this. I could still sit on the side of the bed if i wanted, but after doing way more reseach on mattress building than is reasonable for someone not in the mattress business to do, I have come to realize that the old folks were right in saying that a bed is for sleeping, not sitting, lol. Although my wife and I do sit up and read before bed every night.
Like i said before my 95 beautyrest had metal frame work around it, but it mashed down more than my winkbeds.
That said, if I could spend eight grand on a bed I might try a Vispring. But I think the edge support would still match the rest of the mattress.
I wonder if all this edge support talk came about when companies started stuffing pieces of polyfoam in a bag and calling them a mattress.
Just tried the edge again, still excellent.
Don
Thank you for the welcome Phoenix.I have used the info on your site many times and found it very informative .the winkbed does in fact have what I would call tufted buttoms that my husband and I could feel while laying on our sides.
both of us felt very little difference between the medium and softer version of the winkbeds.We moved on to a luma sleep hybrid that we gave about 60 days with the medium topper and a week on the soft.I thought the medium was comfortable but my husband was waking with lower back pain and hip pain.He is the one with the average BMI.We just returned the luma(excellent customer service) .We ordered a 9 inch medium mattress from sleeponlatex .We also ordered a medium 3 inch topper.We thought the mattress alone offered great support but both thought we could use just a touch of sink so we tried the mattress with the topper last night.The topper made the mattress so firm I had to go sleep on our guest bed(cheap zinus).We will go back to just the mattress tonight and see how it goes.Sleeponlatex has had very responsive customer service.They shipped out the same day
our mattress search has led us to feel we need a Dunlop latex base with a softer top layer for comfortable side sleeping.This whole process requires lots of research a d trial and error
Hi earlds,
Thanks for your feedback.
And edge reinforcement systems, in various configurations, have been around for decades. Some people prefer the feel of certain types (foam, springs), and others prefer different levels of firmness (minimizing roll off to feeling like a chair). Mattress companies use various methods to achieve an extra level of support without (hopefully) sabotaging the consistency of the sleep surface.
Phoenix
Hi Bestsleep1,
Iâm happy that youâve found the information here useful.
You may be calling these âtuftsâ, but as I explained in my earlier reply they are not. Tufting is a very specific process in mattress construction where the mattress is pre-compressed and a cord is run through the entire mattress with a button both on the top and the bottom to hold this cord in place and the tension on the mattress/foams. What you experienced was the circular stitching that is the quilting of a mattress, which generally secures the top few layers of material to the ticking of the mattress. I make the distinction because these are two very different processes and someone reading through your reply might erroneously think that this mattress is tufted, and as this is a process that many people desire, they may end up making a decision on inaccurate information. Of course, none of this takes away that you were sensitive to the feel of the quilting pattern. 
With your current mattress, keep the people at Sleep on Latex âin the loopâ, and it may be that with your testing you may prefer their softer topper over the medium.
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix or anyone else who has experience with this,⌠but Winkbed does not ship to Canada and I really want to try out their mattress! Has anyone somehow gotten around this barrier in Canada or know how? Iâve tried calling services for freight forwarding and itâs a confusing mess (maybe iâm calling the wrong ones) and seemingly super expensive just to get a mattress here to try. Also would really suck if i had to return it for even more costs! Any advice? Why Winkbed? Why no Canada?!
There seem to be many issues currently making it less practical for mattress companies to ship across borders with all of the additional expenses involved. The average size and weight doesnât help with the logistics and the costs can make a given product less competitive in another countryâs market.
Iâm a large guy at 6â4"/300lbs and recently had the opportunity to try a range of the Winkbeds models and found them all way too soft for me. I know of another member here who purchased one of their firmer models and ended up returning it after coming to the same conclusion. Unless you have had the opportunity to try a given mattress yourself I think making such a purchase across the border is quite a risk considering the potential for a return and its high related expenses.
There are several sources for some quality mattresses within Canada and if I were there Iâd strongly consider them before going beyond the border. Some members of this forum as well as some other Canadian manufacturers may be worth your consideration.
Hope this helps! - Bill
Thanks Bill, itâs just so hard to know which direction to go when trying to purchase online. Iâve checked out some Canadian brands on your suggestion and came up with Brunswick, Novosbed, Douglas, Logan and Cove etc. But like i said itâs so hard to know how truthful online reviews are. There are many sites like Slumber yard, Sleepopolis, Sleep Advisor, Mattress Clarity, Goodmorning etc etc. I feel like they are all to some degree paid off by companies so iâm not sure who to trust!
I mean Goodmorning even states that they are owned and operated by the company that used to own Novosbed, Logan and cove etc. And on their site the scores are so heavily in favor of their beds and the direct competitionâs beds have notably lower scores.
Were there any âqualityâ mattresses from Canada that you were thinking of or did i mention them all?
Iâd honestly suggest trying some of the Canadian based members of this forum which you can see listed here. That would include CBH Wood Furniture, Dormeo Organic Beds, MFC, Restmore Bedding, and SnugSleep. Many of the US based members do ship into Canada but as previously mentioned issues and additional costs with border crossing and possible returns may make them less attractive propositions. Sounds like youâve already considered most of the other Canadian based brands which I was familiar with.
Hi Phoenix,
Can you make any comment in regards to the MemoryLux version of the Winkbed? Itâs an all foam mattress with the following specs:
MemoryLux Soft:
3" layer gel infused hypersoft pillowtop (1.8 lb density, 17 ILD)
2" Soft AirCell Foam (2.5 lb density, 12 ILD)
2" 5-Zoned progression foam (1.5 lb density, 65 ILD)
4" Atlas core foam (1.8 lb, 28 ILD)
Both my wife and I are side sleepers. I have a BMI of 17.1 (112lbs) and my wife a BMI of 23 (148lbs).
We want something that is soft, but durable.
Thanks!
Hi freddie98,
Thanks for posting your questions and posting the updated specifications of the MemoryLux mattress.
You can see some comments about the quality/durability of the materials in the Winkbeds in non-members post #3 here in the simplified choice topic along with post #2 here.
That being said, most of the previous posts about Winkbeds was for their original mattresses. Both you and your partner have low BMIâs so your risk of having durability problems is less than with higher BMI consumers.
Winkbeds promotes the fact that this is not âViscoâ it is more of a new generation foam. Faster recovery, not as temperature-sensitive, etc. Have you asked them what changes are made to go from firm to medium to soft? Are these the âsoftâ model, and what is the medium model specs? I am trying to gauge is there is a big difference between the three firmnesses? I am trying to determine if is going to be âsoftâ enough for you. Also, are you sure the top quilt layer is 3" ⌠or ⌠2"? As on their website, itâs stated that:
As mentioned in some old posts my general concern about the durability of the 2 inches of foam in the quilt, that is more than I generally believe is optimal. The next layers seem to be good quality foam, although they use the trademark for AirCell, Zoned Progression Foam and Atlas Core Foam. I can find the Trademark for Aircell which is owned by Standard Fiber, but the others I have not located trademark detail.
As we did not have many comments on the MemoryLux Iâd be interested to hear about your next steps and decisions.
Phoenix
I recently purchased the Winkbeds softer version. My husband (180lb) and I (120lb) are both side sleepers and this is what they recommended to us. It is the most comfortable bed I have ever slept on! I didnât realize that my shoulder and hip pain was caused by a too firm mattress that made me toss and turn. With the Winkbed I barely move all night and it feels so luxurious and comfortable and get excited to got to bed. We have only had it for a month, so I am unsure about the durability especially since the company has not been around that long and it looks like they may have changed the makeup of the bed since original production. One thing I wanted to add is I contacted the company before making my decision and they told me that the top hypersoft gel infused foam is 1.8 density with 17ILD (not 1.5 that is stated on TMU) The softer has 3" of this gel foam and luxury firm and 2" (along with coil zoning differences). I asked Winkbeds for a spec sheet with details on materials used in my mattress and they said they do not have that to give to customers. I am not sure if they used to use 1.5 and changed, but they assured me that my bed has 1.8 density. I guess I am hoping that the foam is 1.8 and combined with the microcoils underneath will make the mattress last a decent amount of time. We have been rotating it as they recommended and it is on a extremely solid slatted platform. I just love it so much and hope it holds up!
I wanted to add one more thought. One of the main reasons I purchased the Winkbed was because they stated that they used a third party, Carpenter Technical Center, to simulate years of use by using the âconstant force fatigue testâ. The results of test showed that the foam would sag less than 2% over 20 years. Does anyone know anything about the legitimacy of this claim? Warranty covers body impressions over 1.5" which is standard, but obviously more than 2% of foam.
My wife and I are in year four with our Winkbeds mattress (softer model) and its still perfect! We both find it to be outstanding.
Don.
Thanks for the information on the Winkbed. Do you still have it and love it?? My husband is about 210. Do you think the softer would be TOO soft for him. Iâm 135 so I know for me Iâd probably prefer the âmore softâ version. Thank you.
My wife and I are laying on it right now and we still like it very very much. It is very supportive yet it feels pretty soft. A good balance. It shows no sign of wear since we bought it and I do rotate it once a month.
Don
You got the hybrid model in soft: heard good things about that ine two, but it would probably not be supportive enough for me in the lumbar area, so I have the Memory Lux Firm. Love it. Guess a lot of people say the Soft Hybrid is still supportive so good to hear for the other member who wrote in!
Great to hear! Thank you for replying!
I started with the luxury firm model and my wife (130lb) was ok but I (180lb) felt like there was a board under the micro springs yet many people my weight like the luxury firm so to a point its guess work. But I did feel confident that the softer one would be perfect and it was.
Good luck.
Don
I just wanted to second this. I also contacted Winkbeds and asked them specifically what the density of the top/comfort layer âhypersoft gel infused foamâ was and they responded that is 1.8lb as opposed to 1.5.
Therefore I believe that addresses Phoenixâs only concern in terms of durability of this mattress for low/mid BMI people.
Hi, I have also been in contact with Winkbeds and am having difficulty getting those specs. I am interested in the Soft model, so not sure if that makes a difference. They said the foams were between 1.5 and 2 lb/cuft. They said same foam in Soft and Luxury Firm, but different amount (2" luxury firm, 3" soft). I asked for them to specify that range and they would not. On the website, it says they have Carpenter Tech Center do a constant fatigue test by dropping 168lb weight on a block of their foam 80,000 times to simulate 10 years of use. They said their foam had less than 2% compression. Given this, can I feel safe that the foam in this bed is not going to sag? The 1.5 makes me nervous, and 1.5-2 is a bit of a big range to provide.
The other mattress I am looking at is the Oceano whose specs have been listed on this site. Not sure if there is any quality / durability advantage of one over the other?
I have been sleeping on a medium all latex mattress with 2" 20ILD Dunlop and 6" 34ILD Dunlop for almost 2 months now. While generally comfortable, my shoulder (bursitus) is quite sore. I added a 2" soft Dunlop topper, and then my lower back hurt - that was too much soft foam without enough support. I also miss the bounce of springs, as I came from an old pillow top innerspring. I am looking for good conformance/hug for my shoulder without losing support for my back. I am 53 and 5â7/138lb and a combination sleeper, although I always fall asleep on my side so I notice the pressure relief/back support in that position most. I wanted to like latex for environmental reasons, but it just does not provide enough hug/coziness for me.
Any help would be appreciated. I am in analysis paralysis!