After almost 10 years I’m doing research again on a new queen size mattress for our guest room. Jeff Scheuer on one of his Beducation videos recommended this website. https://www.matt-to-go.com/Beducation_Videos.htm
This is what the other mattress forum should have evolved into. I was a member of that forum back in 2003-2004. Back then latex mattresses took a back seat to inner spring and memory foam mattresses, but that seems to be changing.
Even though I worked as a chemist for a large chemical corporation that manufactured isocyanates and polyols for polyurethane products, and knew the limitations of pu foam, in 2004 we purchased a queen Sealy Newport Reflections latex mattress set. My wife insisted that we try the mattress out before we bought it. Maybe we got lucky, but the mattress will soon be 10 years old and it has held up very well, no indentations or sagging. We turn the mattress every 3 months. We have the matching Sealy foundation and a heavy duty steel, head to toe center beam, 1 center + 6 legs, frame.
Yes, the mattress is not all latex. It is ~10.5” high. The comfort layer is 2” of stitched in pu foam and 1” of 19 ILD Talalay latex. The core is 7.5” of 34 ILD Dunlop latex surrounded by a 4” wide HD pu foam racetrack edge. According to Sealy the HD pu foam edge was added to give it more edge support. The problem with this is that it reduces the width of the Dunlop core to 52”. Sealy could have had a great latex mattress if they would have just replaced the pu foam in the comfort layer with latex, but as with any big corporation it’s all about the bottom line.
You may have noticed that some pu foam products, i.e., foam lined speakers, old car seats, do not like high humidity. The foam turns very soft and in extreme cases to dust. We keep the humidity in our house low, and instead of making the bed right after we get up we turn it down and let it air out for a few hours. I’ve heard that this is a common practice with Brits.
Pete Cancelli (The Mattress Expert), who has an online blog, has suggested to those complaining about sagging Sealy Reflections that instead of replacing it, turn the mattress over and try sleeping on the Dunlop latex core side, and if this is too firm add a latex topper to it. He also has an online store where he sells the S brands and latex mattresses, EverEden? and pure LatexBliss. I have not checked if his prices are competitive. As of 2004 he also had a b&m store in Cherry Hill, NJ. Back in 2004 Pete was very helpful in getting me the specs for the Reflection mattresses. For the record, I am not affiliated with him or his business. http://www.themattressexpert.com/
So for the new mattress I’m staying clear of all the S brands and going with an adjustable all latex mattress from an online store. I have read all the articles and the forum latex mattress posts. Great info and the 5% discount from member retailers is a plus. We live in the Knoxville/Maryville TN area and although our cost of living is one of the lowest in the country are sales tax is high, 9.75% (7% state + 2.75% county). So buying from an online mattress retailer that does not charge sales tax in TN is a big additional saving.
Although this is going to be a guest room mattress, my wife wants again to try before we buy. The Bed Store, http://www.bedstore.com/, a local chain mattress retailer in TN, sells pure LatexBliss mattresses. We tried out the Pamper and Nutrition models. Unfortunately those are the only models they carry. Thanks, Phoenix for providing the specs. The salesman was clueless. https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/new-plb-blue-specs We both agreed that the Pamper was too firm and the Nutrition was a bit too soft. Since this is going to be in the quest room we would probably go with something between the two, like their Nature model.
The Bed Store’s best price for the Pamper queen was $1948., $600.for the PLB Latex base + 9.75% sales tax. Ouch! It was definitely worth the time though to try them out.
I made an Excel spreadsheet listing the pros and cons of various online latex mattress retailers and narrowed it down to a few that I thought were the best bang for your buck. The differences between them are mainly in their comfort exchange costs and policies, warranties (read the fine print), the 5% member discount, and prices for comparable mattresses. I’m not getting into details. They can be found on their websites.
BrooklynBedding 10” Queen Total latex mattress, $1709. with discount shipped.
https://www.sleepez.com/ 10” Queen ISleep EZ 1000 $1662.50 with discount shipped.
https://www.mattresses.net/ 8.5” Queen Adjustable Ultra Plush Latex Sleep System. $1277.75 with shipping and discount, great price. They also sell this with a 3” topper. I will call to get price.
The Eco-Sleep mattresses do not meet my criteria for adjustable but I thought I would mention them because of their low prices.
http://www.us-mattress.com/eco-rest-sundance-latex.html These are non-adjustable all Talalay latex mattresses. 9” Queen Sundance, 2” 19 ILD Talalay, 2” 24 ILD Talalay, 5” 36 ILD Talalay core $1149. shipped.
http://www.us-mattress.com/eco-rest-cassidy-latex.html 9” Queen Cassidy, 2” 19 ILD Talalay, 2” 24 ILD Talalay, 5” 33 ILD Talalay core $1149. shipped.
Their comfort guarantee: http://www.us-mattress.com/cusser.html
These are made with blended, not all natural Talalay latex. http://ecosleepmattress.com/latex.html
I could not find any info or reviews on the Eco-Sleep mattresses on this or the other forum. Does anyone on the forum own one?
Thanks Phoenix for doing the search for me without the hyphen. Ecosleep
Since I am replacing a full-size mattress and frame with a queen-size I am going to have to purchase either a KD wood or metal foundation. Thanks Phoenix for your foundations /base post. It’s a great place to start looking. https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/the-best-foundations-or-base-for-a-latex-or-all-foam-mattress
https://www.mattresses.net/wood-foundations.html Queen $249. shipped, 2.75” wide spruce slats, 2.5” spacing between slats, 8” high. I would need either a queen metal frame or bed legs to raise it. http://www.sleepsolutionscenter.com/bedlegs.htm
Has anyone tried putting casters on a wood foundation? Like these: http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1414510&cp=2568443.2568451.2626210.2627538.2627556
http://www.usboxspring.com/metal.htm $275. shipped, maybe able to get a 5% discount by mentioning the forum post 134, 12.5” high with attached legs, 13 flexible birch slats + 6-1”x3” adjustable slats. With legs can be used as a standalone. Birch has a high compressive and bending strength. http://workshopcompanion.com/KnowHow/Design/Nature_of_Wood/3_Wood_Strength/3_Wood_Strength.htm
http://www.usa-beds.com/glideaway_space_saver_frame-25958.aspx Queen $169. shipped, possibly cheaper if they accept your offer, 14.5” high, 11 wires, 12 legs, head board adapters included. I agree that some type of fabric should be placed over the wires. Would a bed skirt work? Those skinny legs could be carpet killers.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ZQCJVC?tag=theeway155-20 Queen $124.99 shipped, 14” high, 10 wires, and 12 legs. Complaints of it being squeaky. The headboard bracket set is an extra $29.99 shipped. https://www.amazon.com/Structures-HIGHRISE-Headboard-Footboard-Bracket/dp/B005CRVQY0/ref=cm_cr_dp_asin_lnk
Forever Store More Foundation
http://www.foreverfoundations.com/ They also make a lower non-storage Forever Foundation but I could not find anyone online that carries it.
This is a steel foundation. A reviewer at Amazon states that the gap between the slats is 9.25”, and the width of the slats is 0.75”. I would not consider purchasing this for an all latex mattress but I thought I’d mention it to get some opinions on it. https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Store-More-Mattress-Foundation/product-reviews/B00B1W67RQ/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
http://www.wayfair.com/Forever-Foundations-Forever-Store-More-Mattress-Foundation-FSM-FEL1008.html Queen $349. shipped, 16” high standalone, headboard brackets included, no center support. Wayfair also sells this through Amazon and Walmart for the same price.
http://www.usbeds.com/forever_foundations_forever_store_more_mattress_foundation-31130.aspx Queen $349.99 shipped, possibly cheaper if they accept your offer. Chatted with Jenn. She told me that their product specialist said that this frame was approved for latex mattresses. I still would not use this for a latex mattress because of the large gaps between the slats.
More info on it here. Post #153
We were so impressed with the quality of the pure LatexBliss mattresses that I threw out my adjustable criteria for a latex mattress and ordered the PLB Nature set from Pete Cancelli for $2499. shipped, no tax. This includes the matching PLB queen 9” foundation. http://www.themattressexpert.com/pure-latexbliss.html I did an extensive Google search and this was the best price I could find on this mattress, and it also solves my what foundation to get problem. Now I just have to get a queen size steel frame for it.
I hope that some of the info in this post has been helpful to others. Phoenix this website must really be a labor of love. Keep up the good work.