The 1.8 base density looks like it will be a deal breaker for me because of my weight. If the base was 2.0 or preferably higher this might have been a good option.
killowatt59, you might look at the Dreamfoam ULTIMATE DREAMS EUROTOP. It has 2 lbs. HD poly foam base, and the comfort layer is exchangeable if the original firmness isnât right for you. I believe that it cost a little more than the #BestMattressEver, but still in a reasonable range.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out.
Hi GJL3,
While the change to the different base foam is a slightly lower density, it is still a high-quality material. While I do provide a very slight caution for those in the mid 200 pounds or above range for 1.8 lb polyfoam cores in general, there are many larger BMI individuals who still purchase mattresses using 1.8 lb (and even 1.5 lb) polyfoam cores and like them. Itâs just not what I always recommend. Their factory uses quite a few different polyfoam cores, so this wasnât a case of designing a mattress around SKU minimization. Instead, the decision to go with the specific core was related to the overall design and comfort to be achieved in the new line using the high performance TitanFlex polyfoam and upping the ILD to 36 in the core is higher than the old BME design.
Iâll be very interested in learning of your opinion of the new BME once you receive it and have had a chance to sleep upon it for a while. I think you may be the first forum member to purchase one! Congratulations on your new mattress! :cheer:
Phoenix
Is this a deal breaker for anyone over 200lbs?
Hi kc12,
Whether or not something is a âdeal breakerâ would come down to your own personal value equation. With this design I would advise a very slight caution for someone in the mid 200 pound range or so or above with 1.8 lb density core, but this mattress uses very high quality materials, especially the new ultra high-density TitanFlex polyfoam and the higher ILD in the polyfoam base. Itâs not something that would objectively âdisqualifyâ someone over 200 pounds from purchasing an item like this.
Phoenix
If you order on Amazon problem solved? Do you get same kind of warranty?
HI kc12,
I see that they still have a few of the previous models still available on amazon.
Brooklyn Bedding addresses your question on their web site here:
Any order placed through Amazon.com for the #BestMattressEver which is not fulfilled through Brooklyn Bedding or Amazon Prime is not covered under BB Warranty or Trial Policy.
You may also contact BB at support brooklynbedding com for other more specific questions, or chat with them on their site, as I know if can become confusing with such policies when amazon is involved and which policy in a certain area takes precedence over another.
Phoenix
I wonder if the new TitanFlex foam is a rebadged, newer polyfoam available from one of the U.S. manufacturers or if itâs strictly proprietary (?)
Hi Manimal,
You are correct that it is one of the newer âlatex alternativeâ ultra-high density, high-performance polyfoams, and Iâve been told that they are working on a trademark for this at Brooklyn Bedding. Foam pourers will often make proprietary blends to meet the specific demands of larger vendors, which in this case Brooklyn Bedding would be one. The actual make-up, of course, is proprietary, as you mentioned, and that information is necessarily closely held. Itâs an interesting new polyfoam with some unique properties and high tensile strengths.
Phoenix
Hello All,
Mario here from Brooklyn Bedding, I just wanted to reach out to answer some of your questions and address any concerns. As always there is reasoning to upgrades and changes. Here at BB we are always innovating. As most of you know, latex foam has been around for quite a long time. Based on an aggressive amount of research we have done for the past few years along with helpful feedback from our customers. We have developed a great new material called TitanFlex. By working along side our foam vendors to improve on what we have had such great success with. Our TitanFlex foam is a latex alternative not to be mistaken with memory foam. It offers a very responsive feel similar to latex (slightly bouncy, pressure activated not temperature sensitive) and is highly durable, supportive, comfortable, and much cooler than latex and memory foam materials. With the TitaniumGel thermal infused material, it offers greatly improved cooling features compared to the conventional gel materials which are currently being used for temperature relief.
I will list the information of our mattress below for any of you to research as it can be hard to find most of this information online. It is a fairly new to the market material but has been tested for quite a long time. The new TitanFlex is 4LB Density. Firmness levels are similar to the original BME. We have changed to a 1.8lb 36ILD base foam, we did increase the overall ILD to increase the firmness for added durability, this is similar to offering a 2lb 30-34ILD. All foam materials are CertiPure US Certified, made in the USA. Still suitable for individuals for over 200lbs
This information is simply for educational purposes.
SOFT
2" TitanFlex Comfort Layer- Soft 13ILD
2" TitanFlex Transitional Layer â Medium 18ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
Medium
2" TitanFlex Comfort Layer â Medium 18ILD
2" TitanFlex Transitional Layer - Firm 28ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
FIRM
4" TitanFlex Comfort Layer - Firm 28ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
If anyone has any questions or would like more technical information feel free to reach out to me.
Thank you,
Mario
[quote=âMarioâ post=70748]
This information is simply for educational purposes.
SOFT
2" TitanFlex Comfort Layer- Soft 13ILD
2" TitanFlex Transitional Layer â Medium 18ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
Medium
2" TitanFlex Comfort Layer â Medium 18ILD
2" TitanFlex Transitional Layer - Firm 28ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
FIRM
4" TitanFlex Comfort Layer - Firm 28ILD
6" 1.8lb 36ILD HD Base Foam
If anyone has any questions or would like more technical information feel free to reach out to me.
Thank you,
Mario[/quote]
Thanks for the information Mario, out of curiosity are all of your mattresses already in stock and ready to ship or do you have them made as an order comes in? I ask because I wonder if for some people it would be beneficial to have two medium layers and then the firm base. I actually just ordered your new mattress last week and will be receiving it this Thursday. I was debating between soft or medium and ultimately chose medium after speaking with a representative. Hoping I chose right!
Hi GJL3,
We do have them built for stock, unfortunately we do not offer any customization of the layering system. We have found, through multiple testing methods that these came to allow the most balanced comfort in all 3 comfort levels. I am glad you got the opportunity to speak to a rep as well, based on our data we have found that selecting the right comfort level has proven twice as successful when one of our customers interacts with a specialist first.
Thanks,
Mario
Hi Mario,
Thank you for taking the time to monitor the forum and explain some of the new innovations in the Best Mattress Ever. I appreciate you taking the time to answer everyoneâs questions and confirm the durability of the new materials in the BME line.
Phoenix
I asked âKeatonâ about the weight limit for the new TitanFlex Foam setup and he responded with this:
âThere is no specific weight limit but i would say 900+lbs.â
I revisited the site at two different times and they both responded the same answer. Kind of interesting to see them claim such a high weight limit.
I just wanted to give my very first impressions on the new #BestMattressEver which I ordered in the medium firmness. Please keep in mind this isnât meant to be a review but my first take on the mattress after having slept on it for only one night.
It feels very firm
It feels very unresponsive
I also own the the ultimate dreams latex mattress in the 6 comfort level (guest bedroom), which is the same rating as my #BME so I was expected it to feel similar. However if my Dreamfoam is a 6 I would put this at around 8.5. So Iâm slightly concerned that they may have shipped me the firm model on accident. (EDIT: Brooklyn Bedding and Dreamfoam do not use the same comfort scale, I was shipped the correct mattress)
The other thing that has caught my attention is how the titanflex foam doesnât feel or react like latex. It feels dead, like a dense and firm memory foam but without much contour.
Iâve read that it can take the mattress a while to soften up, so Iâm hoping that after a few weeks it will. This wasnât really the case with the ultimate dreams latex, but obviously latex is different then the titanflex foam so perhaps they have different break in periods.
Hi GJL3,
Thanks for taking the time to provide some initial feedback about your new BME mattress.
You are correct that there should be more softening as time goes on with this mattress (even high-performance polyfoam will have some "false firmnessâ that it tends to lose in the first few months or so, along with the covering). While the TitanFlex is described as a âlatex alternativeâ, it will not be as buoyant feeling (as Mario described, âslightly bouncyâ) as the latex in your Ultimate Dreams Latex mattress (what I think youâre noticing with your contouring comment). The polyfoam core is also firmer feeling than used in your Ultimate Dreams Latex.
The âsoftness scalesâ used by BB are useful to compare models within the same lineup, but when comparing across different lines with mattresses using different materials then the number scale wonât be quite as useful. Iâll be interested in your comments and your personal âcomparative ratingâ once the item âbreaks-inâ a bit, and how it compares to the initial feel. Itâs also important to mention that with the new Best Mattress Ever, BB wasnât looking to duplicate the feel of the old BME, but to continue the genesis of the line itself, so feedback like yours is always interesting.
Iâm looking forward to your future comments.
Phoenix
I was thinking of this as #BME 2.0, and that it would have a similar feel but with better cooling and durability.
Iâm guessing because it is very firm right now that I canât properly assess the mattress responsiveness or pressure relieving qualities, and that once it loses its false firmness it could feel more similar to latex in both of these attributes. Would you say that is a possibility?
Also Iâve read that walking on the mattress can help lose the false firmness more quickly. Would you agree this is a decent idea to speed up the process?
Just my opinion but donât think anyone should have to walk on a mattress to âbreak it inâ, though I understand in certain circumstances it could be beneficial. I also have my doubts that any kind of polyfoam will be able to compete with latex with respect to maintaining bounce/ responsiveness/ buoyancy in combination with other characteristics like pressure relief and contour. Energex is a good example- it has some nice properties- including good pressure relief- and certainly isnât slow response, but it isnât nearly as âbouncyâ as the marketing language may lead you to believe. BB clearly plays up the responsiveness/resiliency of the TitanFlex foam on their website (along with other attributes), so hopefully people looking for bounce and responsiveness wonât end up disappointed with a stiffer, polyfoam type feel. That said, so far Iâve found that âonly latex is latexâ⌠not sure what to make of the BB marketing just yet.
Hi GJL3,
As Mario stated, itâs an ongoing evolution. As with most responsive brands, thereâs always a search to improve the product and refine the comfort based upon experience and feedback. I would judge the mattress based upon how it actually feels, versus how you think it might feel as compared to the model it is replacing or other mattresses you currently have at home, and from there see if you enjoy the comfort or not.
All new mattresses will go through this process of softening, especially in the first few weeks, and at that point the product will be a bit more representative of the feel it will maintain moving forward. However, this mattress isnât intended to replicate a feel, but is its own level of comfort, and even when completely broken-in it will not have the same feel as latex. But it may be a bit more buoyant at that time. Iâll be interested in your opinion on this after a few weeks.
Walking on a mattress (the white sock treatment) is commonly referenced by manufacturers as a way to âspeed upâ the break in period as a way to help break open the cells, and itâs more commonly recommended with higher density foam which can take longer to break in. It also assists with the breaking in of the mattress covering.
These are both great points!
Phoenix