Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!

First off, howdy folks and thanks for all of your help with the site. Okay, a little background. I just got out of the military and I’m suffering from back pain and joint pain. I am also a stomach sleeper mostly, sometimes on my side. My wife is a side sleeper. I have been meaning to buy a mattress for some time and did quite a bit of research of this site prior to going out today. I visited a number of stores(in windsor ontario) that all carried the big brands ie. serta, sealy, S and F etc…) and just feel completely discouraged. I educated myself on the different materials and technologies and came away no closer to making a decision.

One bed I did find comfortable was a Sealy Posturpedic Angus Glen Euro top. It was a dual layered coil, which I didn’t really like the idea of and a euro top, which I didn’t expect to like. I do need a firmer mattress because of my back and stomach sleeping, but am very concerned with durability etc… I didn’t have an opportunity to try a quality firm latex bed, are there any dealers of such beds in windsor? I have been unable to tell. what is your thought on these dual layered pocket coil beds, gimmicky, crap, not bad??? Can you recommend a dealer or place to check out locally, or point me in a direction manufacture wise? I am just looking for something durable, with good isolation, support and not too hot. I am a very warm person naturally, so something like tempurpedic is not going to work for me, and is too soft too. I did try them out. As you can see from this post, I am all over the place ha, ha…

Oh and I’m not a brand snob, I am more than happy to avoid the big brands, but I had a very hard time finding anybody who a) were honest b) were knowledgeable and c) sold anything but the major brands. Factory direct sleep expert sounds perfect!

Hi Ejones,

I am not a mattress expert, but I can respond to several of your points for my own experience only. My husband and I purchased a Sealy Posturepedic mattress twelve years ago. Before long, there was “hump” between the area where my husband laid, and where I laid. I said to him that when they delivered it, they must have given us the wrong mattress, as this one must be designed to keep each person on their side of the bed. Eight years later, my back was killing me, and I was getting muscle spasms because the bed was getting saggy.

We loved my brother-in-law’s bed and asked what brand/model it was. It was so super plush and cushiony, we were in love!! They said it was a Sealy Posturepedic. Not remembering what brand/model our existing bed was (and forgot to look), we went to Sleepy’s and laid on many beds. Again, we went with a Sealy Posturepedic with a euro pillow top that was pretty firm. Within 6 months, there was already impressions in the pillowtop, where we both lay. Because of the pillowtop, we cannot flip it, just rotate it, so we did. What made me crazy, is that neither of us are big people – I was 5’7" and 135 lbs, and my husband was 5’4" and about 165 lbs.

At that time, I was in love with the latex, low profile soft pillow that I bought at Sleepy’s, and called Latex International, the manufacturer to find out where I could buy more (for a cheaper price than the $100 Sleepy’s was charging). They pointed me to a former executive of LI, Bob Zukowski, who now owned his own pillow and custom mattress store. When I spoke to him, I mentioned about how I was frustrated that my “new” bed already had ruts in it. He said it’s because of the foam in the pillowtop is petroleum based, and begins to break down immediately with pressure and body heat. Talalay (natural latex) does NOT do that because it’s natural, and in general, lasts around 20 years without a break-down in performance. He told me about custom beds, and it’s ability to be customize each person’s side to their personal comfort (which may not be the same as your partner), it’s excellent support for people with bad backs (at that time I only had one herniated disk), and it’s ability to isolate movement. All of these were of particular interest to me (my husband has Restless Leg Syndrome, and in the Sealy Posturepedic, I am jostled around with every shake of his leg!), but having just spent over $3,000 on the Sealy, and it only being 6 months old, I couldn’t justify trashing it.

Flash forward three and a half years, and the ruts in my Sealy Posturepedic are HORRIBLE. There is a big lump again between us, and the coils are no longer functioning the way they should. I recently woke up screaming in the middle of the night because of back spasms. When laying on my side, the area between shoulders and my hips is completely concave, and my spine is in a U shape!

3 months ago, I injured my back even more, and had 3 herniated disks in 4 places; one was so bad, the herniation was pressing against my spinal cord, causing paralysis in my foot. I couldn’t have slept ONE night in the Sealy bed after that – not for $1,000,000. I’ve been sleeping on an Ikea firm foam mattress ever since (a little too firm). So now I have a $3,000 mattress that is completely useless to me, and quite honestly, my husband is completely disgusted with that mattress too. He is 5’4" and now close to 200 lbs, and is bottoming out in the mattress. I was shocked when I saw it this morning!! Now he is waking with muscle spasms and a sore back, and the mattress is only 4 years old!!

Since I knew about the latex beds, I told my husband about how I thought this would be a good thing for both of us. He has never slept on anything other than a spring/coil bed, so I think he was a little uncertain about the latex, but we went to a local retailer and tried the Savvy Rest Serenity. We each tried different configurations of the layers until we both found a combination of layers that was comfortable for each of us, and they were different! I don’t know why companies have not thought of this before!! Every person is different, so why does one person have to settle for something that’s not comfortable for them?? In either case, we are BOTH THRILLED to be getting the latex bed – for many reasons – it does not permanently compress or disintegrate so we will never get ruts or a hump, and we both love the feel of the latex bed – we feel like we’re floating in mid-air!! No pressure points whatsoever!! There will never be a hump between us, it will give us superior back support and pressure relief (no more arms going dead and waking up with pins and needles), we both get to sleep on what’s comfortable for us, and no motion transfer! After spending almost $7,000 on Sealy mattresses over the last twelve years, I am DONE. They will NEVER see another penny from me! Now, buying a quality latex bed, that’s a $3,000 (or less) investment in your health, both for your back and for sleep quality!! And best yet, it should last about 20 years!! YAY!!!

As for your question about what mattress is not hot, I don’t have my bed yet, but if my latex pillow is ANY indication, you shouldn’t be hot in it, either. My daughter has a 2" Talalay topper on her bed, and she’s never complained about it being too hot. There are holes that run throughout the material, and as long as you have the proper foundation or platform bed with spaced slots, then it can breathe. The layers are also encased in a mattress cover that should have wool in the top zippered part that you lay on, so that again is a good, natural material that will breathe.

I would try to find ANY retailer in your area that has a multi-layer latex bed for you to try. If you can’t find one at all near you, yet think it may be right for you, I would order it from sleepez.com – they have a 90 day refund policy that you can return the entire bed for a refund if you don’t like it!

I wish you much luck in finding the right mattress for you. And thanks for your service to this country. I hope you find a mattress you’ll be happy with, soon!! :slight_smile:

Best,
Melissa

Hi Ejones,

The first place I would start your mattress research is post #1 here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices. Perhaps even more importantly it can help you with what to avoid such as most major brands and mass market retailers and chain stores.

A mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality of the materials inside it and being able to assess durability and any weak links in a mattress (usually in the upper layers) is the reason that it’s so important to know the specifics of every layer in a mattress because you can’t “feel” the quality or durability of a mattress in a showroom (low quality materials can feel just like higher quality materials … they just don’t last as long).

Some of the better options and possibilities I’m aware of in the general area are listed in post #8 here but there is only one that is local to you (and their website is no longer working) so I’ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can do some preliminary research and narrow down some of the better options and possibilities in the Windsor area.

Phoenix

thanks so much for the replies. I went out yesterday with the intention of finding a high quality latex bed from an independent dealer but ended up at the big box stores for lack of options to be honest. Your stories are the exact reason I don’t want to do the sealy option, I’m just not feeling much option at this point. Hopefully you might be able to find someone Phoenix, and THANKS for taking the time to even try! cheers. P.S. I’m only in my 30’s and I’m waking up like an old man every morning, not cool.

For others in the area, Monarch Mattress is still around and advertising in the Windsor Star, just no website. What’s your take on these guys Phoenix, I’m thinking of checking them out. I have two little kids with me, so the more informed I am the easier it is when i get there. There number is 519-252-8329. I’ll call them myself, are there any questions in particular you like to ask when vetting a dealer?

I bought a Latex mattress online - from Brooklyn Bedding.
My previous mattress was a Sterns and Foster. I had it just over 7 years but woke up in so much pain each and every day; sometimes, I couldn’t even sleep. I was visiting either the chiropractor or acupuncturist at least once a week. All of that is history…My new Aloe Alexis has changed me from feeling 80 back to the mid 40’s that I am.
I was a little scared to buy online but I am so happy I did it. The quality equation was resolved by learning what to look for (on this Forum); so, I believe that I have up to 20 years of excellent rest coming before I need to replace my bed.
As for your preference, only you can determine what feels good, relieves pressure and supports correct alignment.
My opinion is this: Try several different types of bed locally (Latex, Memory, spring…) but if the price isn’t right and you cannot get the quality details (Density, type of foam…etc) consider the companies that are listed in this forum.

I agree with Jefmoody. Definitely NOT cool to feel 80 when you’re much younger, but I can certainly identify!! I’m 43 but I feel 100 after my back surgery, and I am waiting for my Savvy Rest with baited breath, because I KNOW that will definitely help in my recovery. There’s no way to heal when you’re sleeping 5 hours or more in a Ikea foam bed that a little too firm, and not in the proper alignment… :frowning:

I just wanted to mention that SleepEZ.com offers a 90 day full return period, if I’m correct. During that time, layers can also be swapped via mail, until you find the perfect configuration for you.

I don’t know what happened to Sealy’s quality recently, but I’ve been through 2 Sealy Posturepedics in 12 years, which is absolutely ridiculous. The last one is only 4 years old, and is only comfortable to our daughter who is 10 years old and 80 lbs. And it’s not like we’re big or heavy people! I’m 145 and my husband is 185. No quality mattress of any make-up (innerspring, memory, etc.) should fall apart like that in only 4 years!! I would definitely avoid any of the regular names (Sealy, Serta, etc.) you can get at the retailers.

the problem i’m running in to is finding somewhere I can try these mattresses out. I don’t want to order online blindly. The more research I do and the more feedback I read, the more I am intrigued by the benefits of a high quality latex bed, but I haven’t even been able to lie on one yet.

Are you in or near NYC? You can try a Savvy Rest mattress (dual side customizable, 3 layer latex bed) at The Clean Bedroom and at Scott Jordan (if I remember correctly).

I am in Queens, and didn’t want to worry about parking or traffic, so I went to Massapequa to Sleepworks to try the Savvy Rest. I originally had planned just to try the bed, and buy from SleepEZ – I just wanted my husband to try the latex bed (he had no previous experience with latex beds and was a little apprehensive about it), and also wanted to try to find the configuration that would be right for both of us, in order to limit the number of layer exchanges we’d have. However, I DID buy the Savvy Rest from Sleepworks because layer exchange would be much easier. I’d just have to drive to Massapequa, instead of shipping the layer back…

I’m in Windsor Ontario, across the river from detroit.

Ejones, if you can stand an hour or so drive, Mattress to Go has several all-latex and latex and foam hybrids you can try, and the owner is very knowledgeable and helpful.

That’s what I am going to look into, it just isn’t working out here in windsor. I went to Monarch Mattress and didn’t really like their warranty policies(you buy it and you better like it, no exchanges).

I tried out a few latex ones, but they all pretty well 2" comfort layers over foam or some gimmicky gel memory foam. I’m so sick of misinformation that I’m just going to suffer with back pain. I had one guy tell me this continuous coil with poly foam was an all natural latex bed!

Hi Ejones,

I did some research in the Windsor area and here are some of the better options and possibilities in the area (and the manufacturers I would consider at each which are more likely to provide the details that you will need to make an informed decision) …

http://www.monarchmattress.com/ Windsor, ON. They are a local factory direct manufacturer which fits the profile of the type of manufacturers that provide good quality and value and this would typically be the type of manufacturer that I would make sure to include in your research.

http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Ontario/Windsor/Saks-Bedding-Inc/6873457.html Windsor, ON. Another factory direct manufacturer. I talked with them and it was a very strange phone call where getting even basic information about their mattresses was like pulling teeth and they were very “suspicious” of my questions. I finally managed to find out that they make latex, memory foam, and innerspring mattresses. Started in London 23 years ago apparently but have been manufacturing mattresses in the Windsor area for several years (see this article). They would be well worth a visit and hopefully the information they provide to their local customer base is a little less stressful to find out.

http://www.mattressoutlet.ca/index.php/en/ (Worldwide Mattress Outlet) Windsor, ON. Springwall (which will supply the specs of their mattresses to consumers if the store doesn’t know)

http://bedroomdepot.ca/index.html Windsor, ON. Carries a range of locally manufactured mattresses including Springwall, Endless Comfort, Galaxy, Foamco (Dreameasy) which includes latex, latex hybrids, and gel and memory foam as well as traditional ininerspring mattresses. Said they would call manufacturer for any information they didn’t have available.

http://www.windsormattressplus.ca/ Windsor, ON. Therapedic, Galaxy, Endless Comfort (one gel only). They also confirmed that they would call their factory to find out any specs they didn’t know.

Products | Guaranteed A Fine Furniture | High-Quality Furniture in Windsor Windsor, ON. Therapedic, Foamco (Dreameasy), Marshall Mattress, Galaxy, and waiting for some Natura models. Knows the importance of mattress specifications and will also provide them to his customers.

Don’t forget that customers pay for an exchange policy and in most cases the customers who test a mattress more carefully and don’t need to use it pay for the exchanges for those who don’t pay as much attention to their testing and end up exchanging it (these costs are built into the cost of the mattress). Careful and objective testing can mean that an exchange policy is less important and can lower the price of a mattress purchase. It may also be worth asking if they will make comfort adjustments to a mattress if necessary (rather than exchanging it) which typically results in better value than manufacturers or retailers that exchange the complete mattress.

Better manufacturers and retailers will usually give you much more accurate and meaningful information about what is in their mattresses than most mainstream options or salespeople that are less knowledgeable and of course if you have the specifics of the layers (top to bottom) then you are always welcome to post them here so you can do some “fact checking” if you need it.

Hope this helps :slight_smile:

Phoenix

I recently purchased a Pure Latex Bliss mattress. I had to drive two hours to find a store with a decent selection of mattresses to try but it was so worth it. We are sleeping better than we have in years. I initially felt really confused as well. Especially because it was so hard to find good info. This sight is a great source of quality info. I also called a few places that sell quality latex mattresses and asked questions. I decided that even though ordering one on line would have been cheaper my comfort level just wasn’t able to make that leap. Keep looking and asking questions, drive aways if you need to. We made a fun day trip out of it. In the end it was so worth it.

Hey Phoenix,

Thanks bud, you really do a fantastic job with the information, obviously a subject of passion for you and I am really appreciative of that. I went to Monarch and Saks and they didn’t give me anywhere near the same vibes as I got from the guy at Mattress to Go in michigan. Saks was kindof sketchy. If the guy from Monarch’s contacts you back I would like to hear what you think about their Latex bed in there. I did take a look but wasn’t completely clear on what the actual support layer was. Sounded like Poly foam with a density of 1.5?? which he said was high quality and high density?

Finally I decided to check out Mattress to go and really like the guy on the phone. My wife is going to check one out this weekend. I would love your feedback on these two models.
https://www.matt-to-go.com/PLB_Nature.html
https://www.matt-to-go.com/PLB_Pamper.html
(those aren’t the prices btw)

Those are the exact two mattresses we ended up deciding between. We ended up picking the nature and love it. The pamper is VERY firm. I considered buying it and adding a topper to save money but when I tried the floor model topper I didn’t like how it felt.

Great minds think alike:) I plan on going with just the mattress and using our existing foundation. It’s funny what excites you as you get older ha, ha… Do either of you guys sleep on your stomach by any chance, that is the one thing I haven’t really been able to get much feedback on?

Hi Ejones,

Jeff (the owner) at Matt-to-Go is one of the most knowledgeable people in the industry and we have had many great (and lengthy) conversations. He is truly one of the “good guys” and is a member of this site.

I didn’t realize you were open to crossing the border and the Detroit list (including Matt-To-Go) is in post #2 here. I updated their listing to include the PLB which they recently added to their lineup.

Pure Latex Bliss makes some high quality mattresses (mostly blended Talalay latex but they also have some hybrids and 100% natural latex versions as well). They all use high quality materials and their range of models means that they can “match” the needs and preferences of a wide range of people. They have MAP pricing (which means minimum advertised pricing) but at the store each retailer can sell for less. Jeff’s margins are also lower than the norm for a retail store so he has some good value.

Phoenix

Detroit’s an easy drive from Windsor, but I don’t know what’s involved in taking a mattress either way across the border. I think it’s likely you’d have to pay duty.

Here’s a little info from my shopping experience (in Southeastern Michigan) of earlier this summer. Springs and memory foam were easy to find everywhere; latex much harder. Looking specifically for latex:

Banner Mattress in Toledo no longer carries latex, at least according to the person I talked with on the phone a few months ago.

Michigan Discount Mattress in Farmington also had no latex mattresses. They had a few really tall ones with layers of springs, memory foam and latex, but nothing that was all latex or latex and other foams. I was not at all impressed with them, but maybe I just hit them on a bad day.

Mattress to Go was great; well worth the drive. Not only did they have several models to try, they also had samples of both Talalay and Dunlop foam, and different firmnesses of Talalay. Your descriptions are great, but there’s nothing like actually getting to see and feel them.

In Ann Arbor, Dragons’ Lair Futon still has the SavvyRest, and the owner is very helpful about switching the layers and answering questions.

Van Winkle mattress also had a few latex and other foam mattresses, made by Sealy. They’re described on their website.

Hope that helps someone.

Hi eek,

If the mattress is made in the US there won’t be any duty but there will be taxes that need to be paid if the cost of the mattress is over the exemption (which varies depending on the length of your stay).

The Sealy mattresses aren’t what I would call “latex” because they have several inches of polyfoam above the latex core so you are really sleeping on fairly thick layers of polyfoam which would be the weak link of the mattress regardless of what is underneath it … not to mention they are also not good value for a mostly synthetic Dunlop latex mattress.

Thanks for the update on Banner as well. I called them and they confirmed they are no longer making their all latex mattress and they have also discontinued their latex hybrids and when current stock is gone there won’t be any more. I changed their information in the Detroit listing to bring it up to date.

Phoenix