update on my above post. This bed is too firm now that it is fully inflated. I had the worst night’s sleep last night. Not only is it not relieving pressure points, but it is also creating new ones. And I literally could not breathe without pain because my ribs and lungs felt compressed.
I could buy an expensive topper. Or I can exchange the latex layer for a softer density. This is a 7.
I am in tears over this. It felt so great the first night.
I think I should ask Chuck the actually density of the 8,9 and 10 latex cores so it is not
So much “guess work”.
This is a nightmare.
Any advice anyone? Is it the metal frame doing this??
TY
Hi Squeaky,
The mattress would have been fully inflated the first night as well (the latex will decompress within minutes) but your experience on a new mattress can vary from day to day and will change over the course of the first few weeks as you adjust to a new sleeping surface and the mattress breaks in. There are also some suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful.
Outside of some of the suggestions there … the best thing to do before deciding on any changes to the mattress would be to do nothing so that you give yourself some time to get used to a new mattress and to give your experience a chance to become more consistent (so if you do decide to make any changes that it’s based on a longer term pattern of experience).
I don’t think so no.
Phoenix
Hi, I’ve been doing a lot of research on this site and am confused by these Brooklyn Bedding offerings. The Dreamfoam Eurotop seems to be also BB (I get this impression from reading the Amazon reviews) but there is no equivalent on the BB website. The customer service rep told me they do not offer the eurotop, but it’s similar to the Camilla, which is only 10 inches and does not have a bamboo cover. From reading the threads on this mattress it seems like the more durable core of the Bamboo Bliss could result in a longer shelf life for the mattress-the BB rep definitely said this but didn’t specify how long.
I am 125 lbs and my partner is around 150 lbs, do you think the more durable core of the Bamboo Bliss is necessary?
thanks!
Hi Phoenix
The mattress did get plumper as did the pillow. The pillow looked smaller and flatter. Now It is noticeably more filled out. It feels firmer and it stays that way after I try to use it.
This bed is not relieving pressure points. Even my clavicles hurt from it.
This is different than just the adjustment period. It’s just too firm for me.
I emailed Chuck but no response. I will call him in the morning.
My family members also noticed the bed was so comfy at first and now they are like oh no.
Latex is supposed to be firm but OMG is this firm. I feel like I am on a rock.
It’s a nightmare.
Hi bbandc,
Dreamfoam and Brooklyn Bedding are sister companies that each sell different mattresses although there is some overlap between them (such as the Total Latex mattress). There is more about each of them and how they compare in general in post #4 here and in post #3 here.
Post #4 here and the posts it links to has more information about the many factors that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person. The density of the base layer will have less effect with lower weights than it would for someone that was in a higher weight range but there isn’t any way to know exactly how many years a specific mattress will maintain its comfort and/or support for any specific person outside of saying “this one will likely last longer than that one” (see post #6 here and post #36 here).
All of the mattresses you are considering are great quality/value in their budget range but there are a few differences between them that may make a difference in deciding which one is the best choice for you (regardless of whether it may be the best choice for someone else) based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
The Eurotop and the Cotton Camilla both have a cover that is quilted with polyfoam while the Bamboo Bliss also has wool in the quilting which can help with temperature regulation and is a more costly material.
The Eurotop and the Cotton Camilla both use 1.5 lb density polyfoam in the support core and the Bamboo Bliss uses the higher density 2.17 lb polyfoam so while it may be less important for you than it would for someone that was heavier (around the low 200’s or higher), it would still make “some” difference.
The Cotton Camilla also has fewer firmness options than either the Eurotop or the Bamboo Bliss.
The Brooklyn Bedding mattresses also have a more liberal exchange policy than the Dreamfoam mattresses.
The Eurotop cover can’t be washed or cleaned while the Bamboo Bliss can (see post #39 here).
Phoenix
Hi Squeaky,
While comfort is very subjective and “too firm” for some people is “too soft” for others … most people would consider a “7” to be in the softer range. While it’s usually a good idea to wait with any changes … you still have good options available to change the comfort level of the mattress and if none of the suggestions in the post I linked previously are either applicable or helpful and it’s not possible to wait for a few weeks then I would definitely call and talk to them about exchanging your latex top layer for something softer.
Phoenix
I agree, too many choices!!
Hi wbandrh,
There certainly are many choices but the good news is it’s better than not having enough 
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix.
Chuck emailed me today with my info.
He said the Talalay latex core I have now is a 24 ILD which they call level 7. An 8 is less dense at 19 ILD and the 9 and 10 are both 14 ILD. The 6 is described as medium soft.
I would probably love the 8. I may buy it for the 150.
U cannot put price on good sleep.
The bed was better the third night.
Yes…It is good support
But if u have some aches say from stretching or just straining a bit from housework, this density is not as forgiving on the aches.
I did buy a topper from Amazon that arrived today from another company, but the smell is really toxic and set off my VOC alarms.
Nothing from my new bed and bedding did that.
The smell of the shredded latex pillow has faded. That was more of a latex smell than a toxic smell.
So…I have time to make a decision. Chuck said he will work with me.
But anyone who is used to a boxspring is in for a shock. Or if u are used to bouncing on old coiled mattresess
U can read tons of reviews on the same bed and everyone has diff experiences with the level of density. Plus latex is firmer anyways which is why I picked it. But being on the larger side, I am weary of the level 8. I did wad up a plush blanket for some cushioning under my ribs. I know my back is thanking me for this bed. But if u like to lounge in a cushy bed at night reading or surfing net…it is not the same for me.
Hi Squeaky,
Thanks for the update :).
The 19 ILD is probably a little softer than most people of your weight would normally choose but each person is unique and if you do choose to try it I hope you have the chance to share your feedback.
You would also have the option of trying the 19 on top of your current mattress and the combination would be softer than either one by itself but there would also be a higher risk of alignment issues with that much soft latex in the upper layers of your sleeping system. Regardless of “theory” though … your experience will be the best way to know how well it works for you.
I certainly wouldn’t go any softer than 19 ILD at your weight.
Phoenix
Received the Dream foam ultimate dreams cushion firm latex mattress in queen about 3 weeks ago. It is more than I expected. Supportive while being very comfortable. I won’t say that every pain I had is gone, but the ones that apparently came from my old mattresss are noticeably gone. I do believe I will order the all latex mattress from brooklyn bedding. I am very excited, we have to furnish a 2nd home and this one was a trial (success). I am in hopes that the full latex will be even more than this one.
Just wanted to let you guys know, and I really thank MU for all the assistance I received.
Rachel
Hi wbandrh,
Congratulations on your new mattress
You certainly made a great quality/value choice and it sounds like you picked the best comfort level for you as well.
Thanks for letting us know what you ended up deciding and for your update.
Phoenix
It is time to replace my old mattress. Read a lot about DreamFoam on Amazon, however, it is kind of different to decide between this
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Latex-Mattress-Comfort/dp/B0051AQXZK/ref=sr_1_12?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1399833282&sr=1-12&keywords=king+mattress
and the Eurotop option https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Eurotop-Latex-Mattress/dp/B008KQ8YZO/ref=sr_1_1?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1399833282&sr=1-1&keywords=king+mattress.
Just wondering whether spending extra $250 is worthwhile.
Do you know how much to buy a replacement latex (not exchange) assuming after a few years we need a new latex top?
Please help.
Hi jiqiangxia,
All the mattresses made by the same manufacturer would be in a similar “value” range based on the cost of materials so from a material point of view any of their mattresses would be “worth it”.
Having said that … the most important part of the “value” of a mattress purchase is how well it matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP. No matter what the cost or quality of a mattress … if it’s not a good match for you and you don’t sleep well on it then it would have little value to you.
The biggest difference between the two mattresses is that with the Eurotop you can customize the mattress both before and after your purchase with a layer exchange if you need a softer or firmer comfort layer while with the Ultimate Dreams you can only choose the firmness of your comfort layer when you order it and you can’t change it after a purchase.
As you mentioned … a top layer that you can remove and replace also allows you to make changes to the mattress years down the road if you need to without having to replace the entire mattress.
Which one would be the best “value” for you would depend on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you and how confident you feel that the initial comfort choice you make will end up being the one that is best for you.
Both mattresses would make very good quality/value choices but one may be better “value” for you regardless of whether someone else may make a different choice because their criteria or confidence level was different from yours.
It depends on which type of latex, the size you are looking at, and where you buy it from but you can source the prices of a range of 3" latex layers in the component post here. Just as a single example … you can see Dreamfoam’s price for a 3" Talalay topper here.
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,
Thanks in large part to the information on this site, I just purchased this mattress! I have been sleeping on a terribly cheap mattress for way too long. It has visible dents and I can’t lie in the middle without rolling to one of the dents made by me or my wife (both sub-160lbs). Figured it was about time to move on. We debated between this and the Casper, ultimately settling on this due to the ability to switch out the firmness top layer, and the fact that they have been around longer and have more reviews of durability/longevity from long-term owners.
Looking forward to receiving it next week! Will keep you posted on how we like it after it gets here.
Thanks again for all your information!
Hi pschoult,
Thanks for letting us know what you ended up deciding and you certainly made a great quality/value choice.
Congratulations on your new mattress
I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback once you receive it.
Phoenix
Appreciate all of the information here, also having a hard time deciding between the eurotop & bamboo bliss, but I love the option to change out a layer since we are also having a hard time deciding on level 5 or 6.
Hi eminnick,
You may have seen this but just in case you haven’t … post #16 here may be helpful.
Phoenix
Just over two years on this mattress-its still a winner! Decided to stay with this one and not go with the latex. So happy!
Hi wbandrh,
Thanks for taking the time to come back after two years and share an update with us.
It’s great to hear that your mattress worked out so well for you :).
Phoenix