Help select a new mattress. Pretty please

Hello all,

First off, I am very grateful to have found this site, and feel fortunate to have poured over so much info over the last 3 or 4 hours!

Before I jump in: I would like to ask for some help/advice. I can tell you what I have found from big box brands that felt good to me, and ask, if possible, to be pointed in a direction you feel is a better purchase.

Preface: I am in the middle of purchasing my first new mattress in over 15 years, and am truly blown away by this industry.

To make a long story short, I have spent two half days driving around to local stores, and laying on around 40 or so mattress, with what I felt was different levels of “help” from sales folks. To be honest, the fellow at the “mattress firm” seemed to be the most help, and stated he has been in the industry for 18 years, and did seem knowledgeable and not pushy at all.

I am a side and stomach sleeper, and have seemed to narrow down my choices to a more plush feel, but am still open for suggestion.

The three models I seem to favor at this point are (All in KING size) a “spring air” vesco gel euro pillow top, witch runs about $1200, the Simmons beautyrest providence plush for about $1600, and the beautyrest black Wellington from “mattress firm” witch runs about $3500. All are before tax, but include in home delivery, new boxsprings (yes, much needed as age of old ones match mattress), and the beautyrest black includes mattress pad and 2 new pillows. These are all "hybrid " models, and seem to feel both soft and supportive to me, with the black model feeling the best. I realize there is a big price gap, but I am trying to keep an open mind, and pick what truly feels best, not based on cost (with a cap not much higher than the black).

I am hoping to make a decision this holiday weekend, not necessarily because of sales, but because I have put this off for too long, and for the last month or so been experiencing pain from my old mattress. Need to make a move!

Are there any brands you recommend that may have models with similar profiles to these that I can consider?

I am located in the Sacramento California area if that matters.
Any advice at all will be much appreciated!!

Hi jay001,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum!

While I can certainly help with “how” to choose … It’s not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first “rule” of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will “feel” to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or “theory at a distance” that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

I’m not sure what you’ve read since you found the site but just in case you haven’t read it yet … the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).

While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will “feel” for someone else or whether it will be a good “match” in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress … outside of PPP (which is the most important part of “value”), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t see or “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

The major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here).

There is more information in post #9 here about the different ways that one mattress can “match” or “approximate” another one. Every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover and any quilting materials) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress “as a whole” so unless you are able to find another mattress that uses exactly the same type of materials, components, cover and quilting, layer thicknesses, layer firmnesses, and overall design (which would be fairly unlikely) then there really isn’t a reliable way to match one mattress to another one in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) based on the specifications of the mattresses (even assuming that you can find out all the specifications you would need for both mattresses you are comparing in the first place).

There are also no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.

In other words … the short version of all of this and the “bottom line” is that spending time testing major brand mattresses or any mattress where you can’t find out the specifics of the materials and components inside it and where another manufacturer doesn’t make a better quality/value mattress that they specifically describe as being similar is mostly wasted because it would be too risky to purchase and it can’t be used as a reference point to purchase another mattress that is “similar”.

Some of the better options I’m aware of around the Sacramento area (subject to making sure that they are fully transparent and that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here) are listed here.

Phoenix

Great!! Thank you, I will visit a few of these locations.

Hi jay001,

If you come up with future questions about something you find, I’ll do my best to be assistive.

Phoenix

Based on recommendation here, I went to 3 additional stores today.
The healthy bed store had some very knowledgeable people, and guided me through some options. They highly recommend putting a 3" topper on every bed, which seems a little strange, why can’t the beds just have that built in? But I did learn more about latex and the advantages. They also have a brand called diamond, a competition of Casper, for a low price, with a 20 year warranty.

One other store has a very simple set up, all beds can be opened, and interior parts exchanged. Spring packs, latex, and wool were all that were in these beds. Very simple, seemed high quality materials, but rather expensive.

The 3rd and last store also carried Simmons, and I again laid on the beautyrest black hybrid bed. To be very honest, this bed still feels the best to me. I am trying to talk myself out of it, as the sales person could not even explain to me how the “black ice foam” helps keep the bed cool, but when u feel it, it really does! This store also had the stressopedic as the house brand and it felt nice, but again this sales person could not provide many details to me.

I want to go with one of the more honest companies, that beautyrest just feels so nice! I have been reading complaints online about their warranty process, so am trying to weigh that heavily.

Any input you can give to help steer me away from the beautyrest black hybrid?

Also, any thoughts on the phantom mattress?

Thank you again

First of all I want to thank you all for such an amazing site! I’m new here and spent most of yesterday reading. I’m really impressed with the knowledge and experience that you all have and am so grateful that you take the time to share with newbies like me!
So here’s my question–my husband and I really need a new mattress. He is 6’6" and weighs 330 lbs. I am 5’2" and 120 lbs. we both have back problems and are in our 60’s. He has other orthopedic problems as well. We are having trouble deciding on whether look for a high quality foam core or an innerspring core mattress. I know there are many factors to consider but I wondered if one or the other is a better place to start. I should say that we live in CT and have not yet visited any stores. I can see we have a lot of work to do but just wondered if we should concentrate our search in one direction or another. My husband does not like to go to stores and I am trying to narrow our search if possible. We are also considering online mattresses
Thanks so much for any guidance!

Hi Jay001,

The best advice I can give you is to go and actually read the mattress shopping tutorial and the information I linked to in my earlier post. It seems as all you’ve done is to look at the link I provided for some retailers in your area and follow that instead of learning about mattresses and their componentry, which is the only way to be able to objectively compare and analyze a product. If you can’t find out that information then I would avoid making such a “risky purchase”, as well as avoiding any of the major brands that tend to use lower quality foams.

I am not personally familiar with the Phantom mattress by Diamond, but if you are able to acquire the specifications of that product and post them back here I’ll be happy to be a “sounding board” for the quality of materials contained within.

Phoenix

Hi Chinamom4596,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

You’re very welcome, and thank you for taking the time to read through the site and learn!

I can help provide some basic information on how to start your process. And as you probably are already aware, I can certainly help with “how” to choose, but it’s not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first “rule” of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will “feel” to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or “theory at a distance” that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

Just in case you haven’t read it yet … the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).

While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will “feel” for someone else or whether it will be a good “match” in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress … outside of PPP (which is the most important part of “value”), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t see or “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Your husband having a higher BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially). This could be firmer latex or innersprings (the type of support component would be a personal preference and in the right design either could be suitable) or even a zoned construction. The same overall guidelines apply with higher weights though that PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) along with using high quality durable materials that will maintain their feel and performance for longer periods of time are the way to make the best choices. Heavier people in general will need firmer and thicker comfort layers and firmer support layers than those who are lighter and because no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components is even more important than normal. I wouldn’t “rule out” any types of mattress and base your choices on your own personal testing. Post #3 here has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading.

If you want to, you can read a bit more here about polyfoam cores or springs for a support unit.

This will give you a good starting point and can help you narrow your focus as you being the process and help limit your store visits. If you do decide to shop online, I would start and use the experience and expertise of the members listed in post #21 here who are all very experienced and knowledgeable and specialize in providing the type of help and guidance on the phone that can help you make good choices for your situation. There are a wide range of options included in the choices there and I believe that all of them compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency.

If you list your zip code in CT, I can see if I am aware of any better choices in your area, or you may use the search feature of the site for your town (or the closest larger town).

Phoenix

Thanks so much, Phoenix. I really appreciate all your great information and help thinking through this choice. We live in zip code 06013 and are planning to venture out tomorrow to try out some mattresses. I saw that one of your members is in Branford, CT (CSS) and that’s where we are headed. If you have any other suggestions they will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

Hi Chinamom4596,

Actually, Comfort Sleep Systems would be an excellent choice to start your experience, I do think highly of them and their advice and quality of their products. I’ll be interested to learn of the results of your trip.

Phoenix