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Hello,

My husband and I have been on a new mattress journey since this summer. We’ve had a couple missteps in mattress selection (a Sleep Number and a Casper, both of which are being returned), so I am trying to regroup. I want to make sure to take it more slowly this time, and the information your have here has been very helpful (though I’m still trying to absorb it).

I am interested in exploring latex mattresses. From what I’ve read it has a lot of good qualities, but I want to do what we can to try it out locally before buying and also to expand our “bed vocabulary” so that I can better explain our desires if it comes to ordering online.

We live 30 miles north of Boston, so I have been looking at the suggestions you listed in this post (#2)https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/have-settled-on-a-latex-but-now-need-recommendations Yesterday, we got a chance take a look at Gardner Mattress and Boston Bed, as they were among the closest to us.

Gardner had two 8" mattresses that were all-latex with a quilted cover of different firmnesses. I kind of liked them, and my husband was ambivalent. We also kind of liked the latex/polyfoam hybrid mattresses they had.

At Boston Bed we tried a few models that had latex as some part of them, but the one we most liked was a latex/polyfoam model, with 6 inches of latex and 7 inches of other foam.

I am really trying not to fall in love with any particular mattress at this point, but I have to say that we both really, really liked the latex over polyfoam model. To be sure, I would have to go back for more in-depth testing based on your steps for checking comfort and alignment, but for the time I laid on it, it felt really comfy in all positions, and my husband thought so too. I liked the bounce of it, and I liked the feel of it under the stretchy cover.

Based on what I read on the card that accompanied the mattress, it is the “Natural Splendour II” model on this page of Therapedic’s site: http://www.therapedic.com/mattresses/puretouch/puretouch-ii/ Is there anything you can tell us about the quality of that mattress based on the specs given there? What are the pros and cons of a latex over foam mattress versus an all-latex mattress?

One thing I wasn’t quite sure about at Boston Bed was the sales guy. He wasn’t pushy, and he was friendly. He was a bit overly chatty, rambling on about various mattress-related things that was sometimes more wordy than helpful, and there were a few things he said that made me wonder. I asked what pros/cons there were to having poly foam as the base versus an all latex mattress like the Savvy Rest, and he seemed to doubt that anyone made an all latex mattress. He seemed to be a fan of latex in general, though. It struck me as odd. Am I overreacting?

I do tend to lack patience, a tendency I’m really trying to fight in this process, so I’d like to check out a few more places. I am interested in looking into latex more. One of the other places on the list close-ish to us would be Spindle, but I was looking at their site, and they apparently don’t recommend their latex mattress to anyone with a BMI over 31, which puts me way outside that range (I’m 5’10", 270 lbs), and even my husband is barely in it (he’s 5’8", 205 lbs). On the other hand, I think that I have read that latex is considered a good material for heavier people, so I’m not sure what to believe. I still want to try more latex, but if Spindle doesn’t think that my body is a good fit for their mattresses, then would going there only be wasting my time and theirs?

I am thinking of going to one of the organic places in the area to give something like the Savvy Rest a try, even though it will be way outside what I want to spend. I think I’d really prefer to stay under $2k for a queen set, but I could maybe go a bit higher for the right mattress.

Since I liked the stretchy knit cover at Boston Bed, do you know of any other latex mattresses that I might be able to find for local testing with a similar cover? Do any of the online latex mattresses have a similar cover?

Thanks,
Tamara

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Hi tamracks,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! … and I’m glad you found us :).

Outside of the tutorial post which it looks like you’ve read … post #3 here also has more information that may be helpful for those that are in higher weight ranges.

The Natural Splendour II mattress uses good quality materials (Talalay latex and 1.8 lb polyfoam in the base layer) and there are no obvious weak links but I would be a little cautious because the comfort layers may be a little on the thick/soft side for your weight and could be a little risky in terms of alignment so I would make sure that you do some careful testing on this mattress for PPP. There is more about the pros and cons of a latex/polyfoam hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here.

It would seem odd to me if they weren’t aware that there are many all latex mattresses in the market (especially in the greater Boston area where there are many) but they may just not be aware of some of their competition. As long as they are knowledgeable about their own mattresses and the materials inside it I wouldn’t be particularly concerned about how knowledgeable they were about other mattresses that they don’t carry. You may also have just encountered a salesperson that was less knowledgeable about other mattresses.

It would certainly be worth talking to them on the phone about your circumstances to see if the information you read would still be relevant to what they currently have available but as far as I know they don’t make mattresses that are thicker than 9" or that use the firmest latex so they may still advise you to consider other manufacturers.

Some of the members here that sell latex mattresses online (that are listed in the optional online step in the tutorial post) make mattresses that are quite similar to Savvy Rest (component mattresses that use multiple 3" layers in a choice of firmness levels with Talalay or Dunlop latex and that have a zip cotton cover quilted with wool) so if your testing indicates that a particular Savvy Rest configuration is a good match for you in terms of PPP it would certainly be worthwhile talking with them because most of them are familiar with how their own mattresses and the options they have available compare to Savvy Rest and they are in lower budget ranges and will usually have better exchange and return options as well. There are also other component latex mattresses that use different designs (different layer thicknesses or different combinations of latex) that may also be worth considering that are in your budget range.

I don’t know off the top of my head no. Unfortunately it’s not possible for one person to keep up with all the specifics of all the mattresses that each retailer or manufacturer has on their floor in all the hundreds of lists around the forum in a constantly changing market so you would need to check the websites and/or make some phone calls to some of the manufacturers or retailers on the list to ask them. Having said that … I do know that the Pure Latex Bliss mattresses (that use blended Talalay latex) also use non quilted stretch covers.

With a few exceptions … most of the component latex mattresses that are sold online also use quilted covers that are often quilted with wool (wool is a great temperature regulator and can also be used as a fire barrier) but there are few exceptions and some of them may also have the option to replace the wool quilted cover with a stretch knit cover as well so it would certainly be worth asking them if they can do this if this is your preference and you do decide to consider purchasing online. There is more about different types of quilted covers vs stretch knit covers in post #12 here and the posts it links to.

Phoenix

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Thanks, Phoenix. I appreciate the insight. I want to find a mattress that is comfortable after 8 hours, 8 weeks, 8 months, or 8 years, and the resources you offer here will hopefully guide us there.

I definitely think some testing of Savvy Rest is in order. While I liked the stretchy cover on the Boston Bed mattress, that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t also like the quilted cover. Something like SleepEZ seems like it could be a very good option if the Savvy Rest appeals to us.

I would certainly ask this question of any retailer we might order from, but in general, do you think that mattresses with 12" of latex are likely to be a better choice for heavier people?

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Hi tamaracks,

It will depend on the specifics of the mattress and the person’s body type and sleeping positions but people in higher weight ranges will often prefer and sometimes even “need” a thicker mattress yes. There is more about the effect of thickness in post #14 here.

Phoenix

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dear tamaracks,
i just happened to go over all the vendors listed in the membership list looking for an all latex with organic cover king sized mattress and I was able to find at least three vendors that offered a very similar product - they were all under $2000! Just wanted to throw it out there - i believe once you know what kind you want it is relatively simple to compare and shop around.
thanks,
nel

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Thanks again, Phoenix.

One more question for now. In the posture and alignment step of mattress shopping, are you suggesting to bring one’s own pillow to test a mattress? Just curious, because I think I’d feel weird bringing a pillow into a shop, but if that’s your suggestion and others have done it, then I’d give it a shot. :wink:

Thanks for the suggestion, nel, although to be clear, it wasn’t organic covers I was interested in exploring, but the thin, stretchy type of cover instead of the quilted variety. Not that I’m stuck on that type, it was just that one mattress we potentially liked had it, and I don’t see that type on as many of the latex mattresses that I’ve seen online so far, or in person if we wanted to test locally.

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Hi tamaracks,

Yes … this is a good idea because the goal of good mattress testing is to “duplicate” your experience when you sleep at night as closely as possible. Most good retailers will also provide you with a pillow to test their mattresses but this may not be as “familiar” to you as your favorite pillow.

A suitable pillow is an important part of a sleeping system that can have a significant effect on the alignment of your head and neck and your upper body and can also affect the pressure you feel in your shoulders.

Phoenix

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Okie doke, thanks for the confirmation. Now to find a time to get my husband out to some more stores!

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Hi tamaracks,

That’s also a very good idea because a mattress can feel different when two people sleep on it rather than just one and you will be able to test for things like “roll together” if you sleep close together in the middle of the mattress or motion isolation if one of you tends to wake up with the movements of the other over the course of the night and of course to make sure that a mattress is suitable for both of you in terms of PPP as well :slight_smile:

Phoenix

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I agree, I don’t want to go without him. It can just be tricky to find the time to get there, since so many smaller retailers are only open during his work hours, so that often just leaves Saturdays. That, and the places to try Savvy Rest are not as close as the places we visited last weekend. Not super far, but maybe 45 minutes, and on the other side of Boston, so dealing with more traffic, blech. :wink: It’s sometimes amazing how long it can take to get around a city that is not all that big.

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We tried a few different beds this weekend. We went to The Clean Bedroom in Wellesley on Saturday, hoping to try Savvy Rest. They didn’t have much Savvy on display, because it seems that the Wellesley showroom is featuring Obasan now, so three beds in the tiny shop were devoted to that. They directed us to Obasan first (I didn’t ask about the Savvy until later). Obasan has a three section head-to-foot zoning that we really enjoyed. I don’t think we want to plunk down $5,299 for a mattress/foundation, but it did kind of sell me on the head-to-foot zoning idea in general. That may have just shot up our priority list. Some really nice people working at that store, and it was mostly empty because the weather was lousy.

They did have one twin size Savvy that I tried. It was a (bottom to top) firm/med/soft Dunlop with a soft Talalay topper. I liked the feel of the topper, though I suspect that the bed as a whole would have been too soft to sleep in. It did make me wonder if the Dunlop on the Obasan was feeling a little too firm on the surface to me. My husband thought it was too soft, but he liked the bed without the topper.

Today, we went to Bedrooms (creative name, huh?) in Peabody, MA, because a web search told me they carry PLB. PLB’s retailer locator is not currently available online, and I didn’t get a response from an email I sent to them. I wanted to get a little more experience with Talalay latex. They did have three beds on display, Pamper, Nature, and Beautiful. I think we liked the Pamper with the InteLa-Tec topper the most. My husband liked the Nature on its own, but I thought it might have felt just a little firm.

One thing I regret is that I was trying to find a combination that might work for side and stomach sleeping with the Obasan, but after I left, I thought maybe I should have tried focusing on just side sleeping also to see how that worked out.

I’m having trouble defining my sleep style accurately (not that I think you can define it for me, but maybe you have some feedback on my thought process). I’ve never had a mattress I picked out just for me. About 12 years ago, I moved in with my now husband, and ever since we’ve been sleeping on the innerspring mattress that he had bought prior to that. I’ve liked sleeping on my stomach because of the coziness (I think even before moving in with my husband), but also because I think the mattresses I’ve had have not supported me well on my side, so I end up not being fully comfortable in either position, thus switching back and forth. More recently in our time with the innerspring, I’d been stomach sleeping less both because the pressure on my knee would bother me and because the support of the lower back was becoming worse. I am not sure how much of the knee issue was due to my knee getting old and how much was due to the mattress breaking down.

We did in-home trials of both the Sleep Number and the Casper, and with those I haven’t been stomach sleeping at all, because they are too soft for my lower back. At this point, in the last several months I think I’ve been sleeping on my side pretty much all the time, turning from one side to the other.

It’s really hard (for me at least) to find a mattress that’s supportive enough on my stomach without being too hard on my hips while on my side. At this point, I may have trained myself to sleep on my side, so maybe I should just go with that. It is true that stomach sleeping can be really hard on my neck, and picking a pillow that works for both may be even more difficult than a bed that works for both. Maybe if I dial in a really comfy side-sleeping mattress setup, that will do the trick.

At this point, I am starting to lean towards Floods and plan to call them up tomorrow for a chat to see what advice they have.

I do have some questions the differences between Talalay/Dunlop and synthetic/natural. From what you’ve said, I know it’s mostly a personal preference, but I’m just trying to clarify what I’ve read to see if I’ve assimilated it correctly, especially since Flobeds is only Talalay.

  1. Talalay is often a synthetic/natural blend, in that 100% Talalay
    wasn’t available until more recently, but it sounds like that’s not necessarily a disadvantage. There isn’t a strong body of evidence for durability one way or the other.
  2. If it’s not explicitly stated as 100% natural Talalay by the manufacturer, then most likely it’s some sort of blend. I suspect that the Therapedics/Boston Bed model we tried is blended. The Savvy Rest topper seems like it would be 100% natural? Do you know about the PLB mattresses? I would guess blended. Also, the retailer had three toppers on display, one was labeled organic, so that might have been 100% natural, one was labeled InteLa-tec, which as far as I can tell is a blend (unless it’s all synthetic? Is that done?), and the other was labeled Active Fusion, which seems to be their temperature-regulating version of latex. Seems likely to me that it would be some kind of blend, but it did feel different than the InteLa-tec. Mostly I’m just trying to get a handle on the ways in which the latex we have felt in person might compare to Flobeds either blended or 100% natural Talalay).
  3. Dunlop is often regarded as firmer feeling than Talalay at the same ILDs.
  4. Talalay has a somewhat different compression response than Dunlop?

Are there any drawbacks related to higher weight individuals with Talalay (i.e. durability or support) as opposed to Dunlop? Or is it just a matter of choosing the correct firmness (and the personal preference factor of course). Mainly, I’m just trying to figure out if there are any obvious gotchas lurking if we go with Flobeds.

It’s hard to say without testing the exact mattress, but at this point, we’ve tried some Talalay that we liked, so I think there’s at least a good chance that it could work out for us preference-wise. We haven’t done the most thorough job at alignment testing. I don’t have the best confidence in my testing abilities in general, and I feel kind of awkward in stores, but that’s where a return policy/comfort exchange comes in handy.

I really do feel more comfortable having a return policy versus the local retailers where often you can only exchange for another product they sell or do a comfort exchange on layers (i.e. Savvy and Obasan). While I believe we’ve tried enough latex at this point that I really think it could work for us, there’s still that element of the unknown. The Flobeds comfort guarantee (I know it’s not an exchange because you keep the old piece) is more expensive on their cores than some other manufacturers would be in the short term after purchase, but it does extend longer. Additionally, the vZone model adds a big advantage because they will send you free sections for the vZone in the first 100 days and only $20 in the next five years. That gives a lot of flexibility to adjust after purchase without too much extra cash outlay (unless of course one of the full cores turns out to be the issue).

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Hi tamaracks,

With some of the issues that have been involved with their chapter 11 bankruptcy they have probably lost some retailers so they may have decided to take it down so they can update it. It’s unfortunate though especially if they aren’t replying to emails in a timely way.

[quote]One thing I regret is that I was trying to find a combination that might work for side and stomach sleeping with the Obasan, but after I left, I thought maybe I should have tried focusing on just side sleeping also to see how that worked out.

I’m having trouble defining my sleep style accurately (not that I think you can define it for me, but maybe you have some feedback on my thought process). I’ve never had a mattress I picked out just for me. About 12 years ago, I moved in with my now husband, and ever since we’ve been sleeping on the innerspring mattress that he had bought prior to that. I’ve liked sleeping on my stomach because of the coziness (I think even before moving in with my husband), but also because I think the mattresses I’ve had have not supported me well on my side, so I end up not being fully comfortable in either position, thus switching back and forth. More recently in our time with the innerspring, I’d been stomach sleeping less both because the pressure on my knee would bother me and because the support of the lower back was becoming worse. I am not sure how much of the knee issue was due to my knee getting old and how much was due to the mattress breaking down.

We did in-home trials of both the Sleep Number and the Casper, and with those I haven’t been stomach sleeping at all, because they are too soft for my lower back. At this point, in the last several months I think I’ve been sleeping on my side pretty much all the time, turning from one side to the other.[/quote]

If you find it relatively easy to avoid stomach sleeping then that can be a good idea because stomach sleeping is a much more risky sleeping position than either back or side sleeping. It’s also more challenging to find a mattress that provides good pressure relief for side sleeping without being too soft for stomach sleeping since the two sleeping positions have almost opposite requirements. Stomach sleepers generally need a thinner and firmer comfort layer to prevent their pelvis from sinking down too far and sleeping is a swayback position (which can lead to lower back pain and discomfort) while side sleepers generally need thicker/softer comfort layers so that their pressure points (hips and shoulders) can sink into the mattress more deeply to provide the pressure relief that they need. When you need to make a compromise between these two sleeping positions then it’s generally best to choose a mattress that is “just barely soft enough” to relieve pressure points for side sleeping so that there is less risk to alignment in your other sleeping positions … especially your stomach. Firmer zones under the heavier parts of your body can also be helpful for combination stomach/side sleepers.

I’m not sure if you’ve read this but there is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here and there is more about the differences between the “feel” of Talalay and Dunlop in post #7 here.

[quote]1. Talalay is often a synthetic/natural blend, in that 100% Talalay
wasn’t available until more recently, but it sounds like that’s not necessarily a disadvantage. There isn’t a strong body of evidence for durability one way or the other.[/quote]

100% natural Talalay may be a little less durable in softer ILD’s but would probably be similar in terms of durability in higher ILD’s. There is more about 100% natural talalay vs blended Talalay in post #2 here. I would also keep in mind that all latex will be a durable material compared to other types of foam (polyfoam and memory foam)

This is probably a “safe” assumption in “most” cases but part of good research is to make sure you can find out the type and quality of all the layers in a mattress which in the case of latex means the type and blend (see this article) so that you don’t have to make any assumptions in the first place.

Yes … Savvy Rest uses either organic Dunlop or 100% natural Talalay (made by Radium).

The InteLa-tec is a new latex formulation that has only been available for a few weeks. It’s made from 100% synthetic Talalay latex.

The only organic latex would be 100% natural Dunlop.

Active Fusion is blended Talalay latex that has phase change gel added to the formula. There is more about what Latex International calls Talalay GL fast response and PLB calls Active Fusion) in post #5 here and post #2 here.

[quote]3. Dunlop is often regarded as firmer feeling than Talalay at the same ILDs.
4. Talalay has a somewhat different compression response than Dunlop?[/quote]

Dunlop gets firmer faster than Talalay when you compress it more deeply but it would depend on how deeply the layers were compressed. If both layers were the same thickness and ILD and they were both compressed 25% (which is where the ILD measurement is taken) then they would feel about the same. If each layer was compressed more deeply than 25% then the Dunlop would feel firmer for most people. If each layer was compressed less than 25% then the Dunlop may feel softer than the Talalay. Since most top layers are compressed more than 25% … if all the other factors were equal then the Dunlop would tend to feel firmer.

It would be a matter of choosing the most suitable combination of layers in terms of thickess and firmness for each person and wouldn’t be an issue of the type of latex which is strictly a preference choice.

There is more about the different ways to choose a mattress and how to lessen the risks involved with each of them in post #2 here but if for any reason you aren’t confident that the choice you make will be a good “match” for you in terms of PPP then the exchange or return policy and all the options you have after a purchase would become a more important part of the “value” of a purchase.

I think that you have a good handle on all the pros and cons involved “in theory” so I think a more detailed conversation would be the next step in the process.

I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding … and of course any other questions or comments you may have along the way.

Phoenix

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Yeah, I could have called PLB to see if I got a response that way, but once I found one retailer, I wasn’t too concerned. I mostly just wanted to have another latex mattress we could try in person. The mattresses seemed pretty nice, but I do like the idea of a component mattress more. Interestingly, the price cards in the store seemed to be way cheaper than the MSRP advertised on PLB’s site.

Thanks for the reply! I’ve read a bunch of the posts here, but after a while of reading pieces scattered about it helps to have confirmation that I’ve integrated the information correctly. I’ll be calling Flobeds soon and put my knowledge to use.

I would once not have thought that I could avoid stomach sleeping, but clearly making it extra uncomfortable was the key. :wink: I think the more comfortable I can make side sleeping, the less tempted I’ll be to switch to my stomach.

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Hi tamaracks,

If you can avoid stomach sleeping it’s usually a good idea for the sake of your back as well as for the sake of your neck which certainly doesn’t like to maintain a twisted position. At the very least it’s a good idea to put a thin pillow under the hips/lower abdomen when you are a stomach sleeper. Along the same lines of being “uncomfortable” … one of the ways that people often use to break the habit of stomach sleeping is to tape a tennis ball to the front of their pyjamas (or putting it in a front pocket) so that they will wake up if they switch to sleeping on their stomach.

In some cases … a body pillow that you can snuggle up to can provide some of the “emotional” satisfaction or sense of “safety” while you are side sleeping that is part of the reason that some people prefer to sleep on their stomach.

Phoenix

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A body pillow would be nice, but I don’t think it would fit well on our bed with the two of us. Sometimes it would be nice to have a king size to have room for something like that, but a queen fits so much better in our bedroom.

Although, in the future, if a new mattress makes me toss and turn less, then maybe a body pillow would have less chance of ending up on the floor than it currently would.

I had a couple phone conversations this week with Dewey, who was very pleasant and helpful with picking out the right firmness for our order and answering all my questions. We placed our order today, but I asked them to hold off on shipping so that it won’t arrive until after we return from holiday travel.

Being on the other side of the country from Flobeds, we wouldn’t have much time to get the mattress set up and use it before we leave at this point. Also, if I loved it, then I might not want to go sleep on the awful bed at my mother’s house. :wink: And if I didn’t love it/adjust to it right away, I’d be fretting about what that meant while we were gone.

So, a little more patience is necessary, but it gives me something to look forward to when we come home! The Sleep Number has been returned and refunded (except all the bedding I ended up buying. Ah well.), the Casper is being picked up next week, and a new bed is on order, things are coming together! Whether this selection turns out to be right or wrong, I at least feel like it’s a more informed choice this time, thanks to you and this site.

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Hi tamaracks,

It sounds like you made a great choice and as you know I think very highly of Flobeds and the quality and design of their mattresses.

Congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback once you receive it after your holidays and have had a chance to sleep on it for a bit.

Phoenix

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FYI, in my conversations with Dewey, I asked where they got their latex from and he said that the blended Talalay is from Latex International while the all natural is from Radium (which looks to be confirmed here: https://www.flobeds.com/information/latex/what-is-latex.htm). I believe in past discussions you’ve stated that they used Radium for both blended and natural, so just putting that out there in case you weren’t aware of what I assume was a change in suppliers at some point.

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Hi tamaracks,

Yes … I thought that they had switched to Radium for both the blended and the 100% natural so I appreciate the updated information … thank you :slight_smile:

Phoenix

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Just popping in for a brief update since it’s been a while. We just got the bed yesterday. Not Flobeds’ fault at all, I had asked them to hold the shipment so it would arrive after we returned from Christmas travel, and then between the holiday closures and higher demand, it was almost 2 calendar weeks before it got here. It was in the nearest UPS depot for a week, but it arrived on the day that UPS had said that it would, so it wasn’t late, just frustrating!

We got it all together last night. Probably shouldn’t have started as late as we did, since I had to wait for my husband to get home from work, but I didn’t really want to wait any longer! I think it took us about three hours for everything.

We ordered their foundation (with the fir slats), the high impact plastic glide legs, and the accompanying headboard brackets. The foundation seems quite solid and went together easily with the eight wing nuts (except we thought we only had seven washers until I moved the foundation and found the eighth washer on the floor underneath). The legs went on easily also. Some of them seemed a little not quite straight, but I don’t think it made a difference once everything was flipped over on the floor.

The headboard brackets had to be screwed to the foundation. I kind of wish that they had drilled pilot holes or something, because it was a little hard to be sure they were even/square. I also wish they held the headboard a little steadier, though I think that’s often an issue with many headboard mounting systems.

The separate left/right foundation sections make sense with the way they are constructed and shipped, but they do make it a little challenging to get lined up with the head board and to slide the bed afterwards. It all seems quite solid in the end, though, and that’s the most important thing.

The mattress cover seems quite nice. The top feels nicely plush, but I think the knit fabric leaves a good amount of give, even with the quilting and wool. The top of the cover comes off completely, which was handy when loading in the latex, and the zipper works smoothly.

With some wiggling and waving, we got the latex in. Our bottom two layers are the same on each side, super firm on the bottom, then extra firm. The vZone usually follows the firmness of the middle layer, so my husband’s is extra firm, but when I spoke to Dewey, I mentioned that when we tested mattresses, the ones my husband liked I found to be a little too firm on the shoulder and hip area, so for me he recommended the firm vZone layer. The convolute layer went on top, then it all zipped up in a nice package.

I put a Luna mattress protector on, then the sheets. and voila! So far, it seems pretty comfy, and I think I like the vZone, but one night isn’t a good test, of course. After all that wrangling, my back was killing me, so it’s hard to say if the alignment is right yet, and I’m still adjusting to the feel. It is fairly bouncy. It’s interesting to me that I can feel the tips of the convolute layer through the mattress cover. Not significantly, just a faint bumpiness. It’s neither good nor bad (at least not yet), just different.

We had also ordered the free pillows, but I had called back before shipment to request standard size instead of queen (because very few pillow cases I’ve ever seen have actually been queen size) and the ones we got turned out to be the queen anyway. (I think. The markings for the size check boxes are a little smudged, and they are enormous, so at first I thought they were king, but either way, not standard.) I phoned them up today, and they are going to ship us out the standard size with a label to send back the queen ones for free, so that should be remedied soon enough. I didn’t open the ones we have, since I figured we’d have to send them back. Looking forward to trying them once we get the right ones.

So those are my initial thoughts. I’ll be back after we get some more sleeping time in.

Thanks,
Tamara

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Hi tamaracks,

Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and such detailed feedback … I appreciate it :slight_smile:

I’m looking forward to any additional updates you have the chance to share once you’ve slept on your mattress for a bit.

Phoenix