Mattress Shopping in Ottawa

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I’d like to start off by thanking Phoenix and all of the contributors to this forum. Reading it over the last couple of days has made me feel like a “mattress insider”!

My wife and I are looking for a king-sized mattress to replace our 7 year old S&F Visco Comfort Cloud. We paid over $3000 for this supposedly “premium” mattress which was incredibly comfortable for the first few years, but has fallen off in comfort dramatically over the last 2 or 3. The bed now feels very hard and has little “give” in the comfort layers, and adding a memory foam topper no longer seems to solve the problem. For reference, I am 5’11" 235lbs and my wife 5’9" 155lbs and we are in our early 40s.

In the last few days, we’ve visited two local manufacturers - Obasan and Lapensee Mattress. They seem to have very different philosophies about what makes a good bed; and although they both seem to have strong conviction in their opinions, they are at complete contrast to each other.

We are considering Lapensee’s top “Luxurious” model. According to them, pocket coils make the best cores and soy-based foam is far superior to any latex in durability. They are willing to make a mattress with latex in the comfort layers, and even in the core… but don’t have any display models with this. They are also willing to adjust the firmness of the of the comfort layers for the two sides, but that will impact the ability to rotate this 2-sided mattress (will only be able to flip longitudinally). They claim that we can expect 12-15 years of comfort from this mattress, if not the full 20 years of their warranty. The salesman today told me that if in year 15 we were unhappy with the comfort they would work with us to address it. The price of this is approximately $3600-3800.

We are also considering Obasan’s Acadia 4.0, which provides a 4" soft rubber top, a 4" 3 zone per side customizable layer, and a 4" medium base layer. They would customize our two sides as soft/firm/medium for my top layer, and soft/medium/firm for my wife’s side. According to Obasan, the latex rubber changes very little with use and the comfort life expectancy of this mattress should be in the 20-30 year range. This mattress felt amazing in the store, but the price is approximately $5500 with a couple of accessories thrown in (pillows, mattress protector).

Part of me is thinking that at least with the Obasan we can buy new “modules” to replace worn out pieces (top layer, middle layer supporting mid-section); but they have to be around in 10-15-20 years for us to do that.

Any thoughts? Is there more fact supporting one opinion or the other?

We are looking for comfort and durability, and we are willing to pay IF we can get both of these benefits for a long time. The other option is to get comfortable but less durable (and cheap!) mattresses and replace them every 2-3 years…

If you do have any less expensive alternatives we should consider that would deliver the same value to us (comfort and durability) that would be great!

Thanks

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Hi orange260z,

You will find this is very common in the industry where good manufacturers have completely different opinions about what makes the “best” mattress based on a different set of experiences.This is part of what makes the industry so interesting :slight_smile:

You would find a great deal of conflicting opinions from other manufacturers but in the end the choice between different types of support systems is a matter of personal preference and not a “better / worse” issue. Some people tend to prefer innersprings with high quality comfort layers and others tend to prefer latex or other types of support components or materials. There is more about latex/polyfoam hybrids vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here and there is more about innersprings vs latex support cores in post #2 here.

So called “soy based” or “plant based” polyfoam is just polyfoam that has replaced a small percentage of one of the two main petrochemicals that are used to make it (the polyol) with a chemical that is derived from a plant oil (see post #2 here). It is directly comparable to any other type of polyfoam. Latex is also a more durable material than most polyfoam although the support core of a mattress isn’t usually the weakest link of a mattress in terms of durability regardless of the type of material used and the quality of the comfort layers is a much more significant factor in the durability and useful life of a mattress. There is more about the many factors that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

There is also more about the pros and cons of a two sided mattress in post #3 here and the posts it links to.

Component latex mattresses have some significant advantages including the ability to adjust the comfort and support both before and after a purchase, to replace individual layers if one layer softens or breaks down before the others, and in many cases to choose a “side to side” split where each side of a mattress can be layered differently for the different needs and preferences of a couple. Having said that … this is a very high price compared to other mattresses with a similar design so I would make some very careful value comparisons. There is more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here and if there is a compelling reason that makes this mattress so much better than anything else that is available to you based on your own personal criteria that the much higher cost compared to other similar latex mattresses is justified, then it may be “good value” for you even if most other people may not agree with you because it wouldn’t be better value for them.

I would also make sure that you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices for you. It also includes this link to a list of some of the better online options that are available to Canadians that if nothing else you can use as “value” reference points.

The better options and possibilities I’m aware of in the Ottawa area (Including Sleeptek and Mattress Lapensee) are listed in posts #2 and #3 here.

Phoenix

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Phoenix,

Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply! I agree that the price at Obasan was quite high, and despite the comfort of the mattress this is something we are having a great difficulty accepting.

Last night I visited Hardy Mattress and spoke at length with the owner, Tony. He says that he can build me a similar mattress with the same layers of latex for significantly less money; the compromise is that he can’t provide the same quality of quilted cover that Obasan can. Rather, his cover would be a simple bamboo/rayon or coolmax cover with a zipper, no quilting or padding (compared to Obasan’s thick quilted velour-like cover. Tony seems to be a very honest and open guy, and has offered to bring in (at no risk to us) the foam to create the layers, so that we can try “the stack” and see if it provides the comfort we are seeking.

Does the cover have a significant impact on comfort?

Regards

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Hi orange260z,

Yes … different covers can certainly have a significant effect on the feel and performance of any mattress including a latex mattress … and they can have a significant effect on the cost as well.

Phoenix

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[quote=“orange260z” post=41410]
Does the cover have a significant impact on comfort?[/quote]
If the Obasan cover contains a lot of wool for padding, then the initial comfort it has may decrease with time as the wool compresses thus losing the initial advantage this cover has over the simpler Hardy cover. You may be better off with the Hardy cover and getting a separate wool filled pad that can be replaced as it firms up from compression.
Did Tony say where he gets his latex from? If it is 100% natural from overseas I have heard rumours that Health Canada will treat these with insecticide before releasing them to the vendor.

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Hi magpie,

I’m not so sure I would frame this as a better or worse choice as much as a personal preference because there are pros and cons to both sides. There is more about the pros and cons of wool quilting in post #6 here.

Almost all 100% natural Dunlop would come from overseas (the only North American source would be the continuous pour Dunlop that is made by Mountaintop foam) but a shipment only has to be fumigated if it’s shipped on untreated wooden pallets and I doubt that any experienced importer would be foolish enough to use them (see post #2 here).

Phoenix

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[quote=“Phoenix” post=41429]Hi magpie,
Almost all 100% natural Dunlop would come from overseas (the only North American source would be the continuous pour Dunlop that is made by Mountaintop foam) but a shipment only has to be fumigated if it’s shipped on untreated wooden pallets and I doubt that any experienced importer would be foolish enough to use them (see post #2 here).

Phoenix[/quote]

Is there a reason I am denied access to the post #2 you linked? I get redirected to a page that says I do not have access to that page.
Thank you.

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Hi magpie,

Oops … the reason was me. I made a mistake in the post I linked. It’s fixed now :slight_smile:

Phoenix

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Thank you :slight_smile: