Need Mattress Topper Help Please

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I currently have a Latex mattress I bought in 2024 from 45th Street Bedding in Seattle, the Woodland Park in the medium plush. It is 8" of what they call “Botanicore” Latex, which seems to be Dunlop. The mattress is too firm for me, as I sleep primarily on my stomach but also like to lie on my back to read.

I used to have a similar model from the same company back in 2013, which I know had talalay as the comfort layer. I didn’t realize they had changed so much with this “botanicore” and it is just too firm with no give at all for me.

I tried 1" toppers of dunlop, nothing. I gave in and bought a 3" memory foam, which is soft enough for me when stomach sleeping, but gives me agonizing pain if I try to lay on my back. And I have a pillow factory for various positions and fills, etc. On my stomach, I instinctively spread legs and arms and stuff to probably spread out weight and pressure points. On my back, I feel like my tailbone is lower and there is this horrendous pain between my shoulder blades - even without a pillow.

I want to put a 2" Talalay topper over the latex mattress (and remove the memory foam), and I’m unsure if I need the soft or the super soft. When I look at the adjustable mattress, the details say the topper is “soft 19”, but in the Talalay mattress topper dropdown 19 = super soft (15-19) and soft is 20-24.

I’m thinking 2" is right, but I’m worried that might not be enough? I do like the springy feel of Talalay. I saw the “blended” but not sure that exactly that means - but it does seem to have that magical #19 as the “soft”

I live in Mexico so once it’s delivered to my mail service in Yuma, another service brings across - but I can’t get anything back for returns. Makes trying things difficult.

I am a 60 year old female, 5’ 4", 170 - 190 lbs (I keep losing that same 20 lbs, haha)

My stomach position is with me head turned and my right leg out, not face first in the mattress.

I have feather pillows of different fill and one pure down.

Goal is to have the give the memory foam provides for my various parts and not have aches under the breast and side. For the back, I’d kill to lie there and not have to bolt upright in agony.

Any suggestions appreciated. Pure Talalay vs Blended? 2 versus 3?

Thanks in advance,
Sleepless in San Felipe :slight_smile:

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You would need either the Blended #19 or the All Natural #20-24. Personally I use the #19 but no right or wrong. If needed a minor change then the 2" but if you need a major change go with the 3" Talalay for sure.

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thank you. are there advantages to the blended versus the non blended?

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In my opinion the blended soft natural talaylay in 3" would work. The blended latex is even softer, so it would be a very top topper for just pure plushness. The natural soft would be very plush but hold up a touch better. It’s a fine balance between plush and firm; you need the firmness for your alignment. But i tested the luxury organic avocado mattress with the box top of latex, which has 5" of soft natural latex on the top that you basically sunk straight through, into its firm support and that felt great. Their green avocado box top has 2" of ultra soft (8 ild) with 1" of soft on the top and it felt good.

My worry is that if you felt pain with your memory foam topper, which those are usually in the very soft range, that the same thing could happen with very soft latex if the topper you got was too thick. You have to decide the feel you want.

The 2" soft natural would feel like a top layer of plush that doesnt fully cave under you, it would still kind of hold you up.

2" of blended soft would be a very light and you would feel the softness of it, but ultimately you would still feel the firmness of the layer underneath it and still feel a touch of the plush feel.

3" of soft would still kind of hold up under your weight, but my fear is that for what it is, it could curve too much underneath you and cause pain.

My thought is to get the 3" of blended soft. Because it would provide plenty of plush like the avocado box top, but youd still have the firm bed underneath that to support your spine.

So in my opinion, either the 2" or soft natural or the 3" of blended soft. I would probably pick the 2" of natural because itll cost less.

Would probably be good to put this layer either under your sheet or in a topper cover, itd feel better that way.

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how do I really know if I need a “minor” change for a 2" or a “major change” for a 3"? I currently have a ViscoSoft 3 Inch Memory Foam on top of my latex bed, and it’s just not really right. But it definitely is soft and sinking like

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I really hate how memory foam feels on a comfort layer. If its underneath quilted foam it’s tolerable to me. It never really feels “plush” just smushy and gross and dead.

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The only way you can know which one you need is to imagine how it would feel. Thats why i laid on a bunch of different beds, like the avocado ones. I was curious why they would use an 8 ild ultra soft latex on top, and i realized why. If you have an ultra plush layer on top, it basically just feels like a cloud. It feels like you sink straight through the top into the firm support, so it still works.

But from now on all i will ever be using is either standard foams, natural materials like cotton, or latex to manipulate the feel of my bed. Im really not a fan of memory foam for the most part.

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Is 1" just too little to make a difference? I stripped the memory foam off last night to go back to just the mattress. I really just have the smallest bit of pressure to soften on the bed and worry 2" might just make it all too soft again. Your description of the softness of an ultra plush cloud layer..

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Id try 2 1 inch layers and 1 and see which you like best