Not sure where to turn! Could use some expert help!

Hi- this is the best website I have found to help with our never ending (or so it seems) search for help in selecting the right mattress.

I have read almost everything posted on how to shop for a mattress (great education) and have read endless discussions in the forum. In addition I went through the website of every one of the preferred sellers! Needless to say it’s been a journey.

I’m hoping to get some expert advise/feedback from the experts here on some of my conclusions- based on my research.

Based on our sizes, sleeping patterns, aches and pains, budget and research I’ve come to the conclusion that a hybrid mattress would work best for us. However, the type of coils and the type of latex (size-width, type) is where I’m getting stuck.

This is us: husband: 69 yo, 6’ tall and fluctuates between 228-248lbs, side and back sleeper, has many lower back problems and painful hips- lots of aches and pains- prefers something a bit softer but will go with whatever I prefer. I’m 62 yo, 5’5, 138lbs, side and back sleeper (mostly side), no back problems but hips can be sore from time to time. We currently have a hybrid Ashley furniture mattress that has horrible indentations- despite turning it. I’m sure it’s made of some cheap foam. It’s more on the firm side. The mattress kills my husbands back after a full nights sleep. Our budget isn’t big- and would prefer to say within the $1500-1600 range and based on what I’ve seen I think we can do it.

Based on that info my research has taken me to the following specs for a bed suited for us: Latex hybrid:

comfort layers: standard wool/cotton cover, 3” latex possibly split due to weight difference but unsure of talalay or DuPont and don’t know what firmness + a potential 2” topper since I’ve read some people can feel the coils with just 3”!

Core layer: 8” coils with caliber edge and bolsa center, individually wrapped but unsure of the correct guage.

Foundation or bottom layer- is there such a thing and is it important?

EXPERTS: here is where I need your assistance! If you read the post you can see where my questions are- based on our profiles. I’d love to make a purchase asap so would really appreciate your guidance and feedback.

Here are the companies, in your recommendations list and our profile, that I think could help us: @Sleep_EZ @Arizona_Premium @MyGreenMattress, @EXP-LatexMFactory @Maverick

But anyone else who could help point us in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!

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Hi DGollin,

Thank you for the vote of confidence in the Mattress UnderGround, our goal is to help folks understand the buying process and what to look for to help meet their preference and comfort needs.

A latex hybrid mattress can be a very smart choice given your and your husband’s needs, especially considering the weight differences, sleeping positions, and the chronic pain issues involved. The combination of latex and coils can offer the pressure relief, durability, and support you’re looking for, while also helping regulate temperature and reduce motion transfer, which is great for couples.

I should mention that our sizes and weights are pretty close to you and your husband, and we’re not too far off in age or sleep preferences either. I’m 6’0 220 lbs now (used to be over 250 just a year or so ago), and my wife is 5’4 135. Originally, I narrowed my choices down to a couple of Shifman mattresses, specifically the Chagall and the Rembrandt. One is a pillowtop and the other isn’t, but both have a firm coil system with a fairly firm comfort layer, which matches what we generally like. We are mostly side sleepers but usually fall asleep on our backs.

What’s interesting is that even with similar sizes and sleep habits, everyone reacts differently. What works great for us might not work for someone else, and vice versa.

Ultimately, I went with the Brooklyn Bedding Plank Luxe. Curiosity was probably the biggest factor since I just really wanted to see how firm it actually was and whether it would live up to the reviews. I knew I could either send it back, or more likely, put it in a guest room.

Is the Shifman higher quality in terms of materials and construction? Definitely, not even a fair comparison. But as it turns out, price doesn’t always equal comfort. I know Shifman delivers, but the Plank Luxe delivered for us too. Funny enough, when we travel, whether it’s to a fancy hotel or staying with family & friends, we actually look forward to getting back to our Plank L. It’s been that good for us.

Enough about me, but I thought it would be interesting as I suffer from a bad

When it comes to the comfort layer, a 3-inch latex layer is a solid starting point. Many people in your situation do well with split firmness (something we did not need), and it could be a great solution here given the nearly 100-pound difference between you and your husband. For your side, being lighter and mostly a side sleeper, a medium to medium-soft feel would offer nice contouring to relieve hip and shoulder pressure. Your husband, on the other hand, will likely need a firmer side, something in the medium-firm to firm range, to prevent sinking too deeply and to keep his spine properly aligned.

Talalay latex is usually preferred for comfort layers due to its softer, more responsive feel, which is especially helpful for side sleepers. Dunlop is denser and more supportive, and could work in the support or transition layers, though it might feel too firm on top. One point about Talalay Processed Latex verses Dunlop. Today with the improved procedures for making Dunlop, and with good quality control, washing procedures etc. ( other than the fact that Talalay can be made a bit softer, and Dunlop can be make a bit firmer), the noticeable difference between the two has narrowed quite a bit. In some cases even experts can not discern the difference in a mattress.

If you’re worried about feeling the coils through the latex, you could either choose a slightly thicker comfort layer (4 inches instead of 3) or plan to add a 1–2 inch topper later if needed. Many couples do that once they’ve tried the mattress for a while.

For the support core, your idea of an 8-inch coil unit with a caliber edge and bolsa-style zoning is a is reasonable. Zoning helps relieve pressure under the hips and shoulders while reinforcing the lumbar region, something that could benefit your husband especially. Gauge can also important. For heavier sleepers, coil gauges between 13.5 and 14.5 are typically recommended. A lower gauge number generally speaking, means thicker, more supportive coils, which are ideal for maintaining durability and preventing sagging over time. There are other factors regarding the coils, number of turns, coil diameter, amount of times it has been hardened, all contribute to the quality and usefulness of the coils per situation. Reinforced edges (caliber edge) are also helpful when one partner is heavier and when there’s frequent use of the mattress perimeter.

As for the base or foundation, yes, it does matter. You’ll want a stable, non-flexing foundation. A platform bed with wooden slats spaced no more than 3 inches apart is ideal Something like the @MattressFoundations Terra foundation is a perfect example of a solid, tank of a foundation . Alternatively, a solid wood foundation or an adjustable base (if you’re open to spending more $$) can work very well. Avoid reusing or using traditional box springs, which are outdated and not suitable for latex or hybrid mattresses. If you’re placing the mattress directly on a platform, just be sure it has adequate center support, particularly for queen or king sizes, to prevent long-term sagging.

Given your budget of $1500–1600, you are in a fair position to find a quality latex hybrid. Manufacturers like @Sleep_EZ , @Latex_Mattress_Fact1 , @Arizona_Premium and @My_Green_Mattress all offer options that meet your criteria. These folks will let you customize firmness levels on each side of the bed, which is perfect for your needs. You might even look into DIY-style builds from places like Latex Mattress Factory, where you can order the layers separately and assemble them at home, but working with a seasoned mattress professional is often the better way of crafting a successful sleep system. You may have to extend that budget a bit, but I am certain these folks can fall close to your budget.

There are also some ready to go mattresses that may be suitable for your situation. @DLX and @EngineeredSleep offer some mattresses with split internal comfort layer options. Even companies like Brooklyn Bedding have a few mattresses that can meet your needs. @yawnder offers their titan plus elite, which uses a robust spring support and the comfort layer is supportive enough to offer side sleepers the pressure relief they need, and back sleepers the support they need. The Helix Elite line have some nice options too, but the helix elite does not have latex, but does utilize microcoils for better air circulation.

You are certainly in a good position to accomplish a sleep environment that suits your comfort and preference needs.

Hope this places you on the right path.

Maverick

Maverick-

Thank you SO much for your wonderful, thoughtful reply! I really appreciate all the feedback and all the advise and mostly for taking the time to reply :slight_smile:

The only reason that I was hesitant on Brooklyn Bedding Plank Luxe and/or the Helix Elite was because they are made with foam vs latex and everything I have read on the site ALWAYS says that foam might be good for the short term but but won’t last for the long term. We are hoping to get 15-20 yrs out of the mattress this time vs 6 yrs.

Thank you again for taking the time to respond. I always enjoy reading all of your comments on the various posts that are made. You are a very well educated person on the subject of mattress shopping. Who knew it was such an in-depth subject of research and not just a casual, afternoon purchase!

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DGollin,

Everything is relative, especially when it comes to comfort. Who knows what your preferences will be in 15 or 20 years? We all know they tend to evolve with age. For example, I used to swear by the original Tempur-Pedic neck pillow I bought back in 1993 when they first came out. It was super firm, and I loved it. But about 8 years ago, I bought two new ones to replace it, thinking they’d be just as good, and they were a total letdown, they were as firm as I remembered, but not the right fit anymore. Now I use the Oxygen Pillow. It’s firm, has loft, made of latex, and it’s wonderful for where my comfort preferences are now.

When I chose the Plank Luxe over the Shifman, I had similar thoughts. The Plank Luxe was $1,400. The Shifman was $14,000. I was ready to buy the Shifman, but curiosity won out. I figured if the Plank didn’t work, I could return it or move it to a guest room. Even if it only lasted two years but was comfortable during that time, I could repeat that 10 times and still come out ahead over 20 years. And if I eventually wanted something softer or more luxurious as I get older (and I suspect crankier, haha), I could still buy something like the Shifman later, maybe just in a different firmness.

I guess you can look at it from a price standpoint. My Plank Luxe is closing on 3 years, and is still perfect, not a dip, sag, or issue thus far. My initial 2 year thought ($700 per year) now dropped in average annual cost ($466 per year) as compared to the Shifman (which I know is a much better quality mattress, but as far as comfort, we are doing ok with the plank. But the Shifman would be around $4600 per year. So, what did I do the the extra money. Got my wife a new car. She loves it.

I guess it is all a matter of perspective.

Fun to ponder about it though,

Maverick

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