Out shopping and really like the Serta iSeries......

man, who would have thought that there is a discussion board dedicated to mattresses!
Love it, read all the tutorials, guides, faqs and related posts.

Excellent information is found here.

Lets get back to business:

me: 270lbs

currently sleeping on a 2007ish Simmons Beautyrest Palm Cove Plush (model M13484707435) something mattress.
also have an IKEA Sultan Finnvick (latex I believe) mattress in the house which is hard a rock but gets nice and comfy later on. However super later at night it becomes a heat scorcher…

upgrading the bed from queen to king and am now shopping for a new mattress.

Been reading various posts on reddit and other related websites until coming to a stop here.

Tried the “dump buyer in a national mattress store” approach just to see what different salespeople were pushing and what is out there.
Went to a Mattress Warehouse and laid on one of their mattress decision computer mats as well.

From being at the two stores so far it seems that sleeping on your stomach is bad which the wifey does sometimes. Both salespeople starting talking immediately about that “back issues in the future” topic.

One of the salespeople however made us put out hands below the lumber area to see how difficult it would be for our hands to slide underneath and also mentioned how there is a gap in certain beds below our knees… I assume that goes with the PPP rule mentioned here.

So after laying on some mattresses it seems that we really like some of the hybrid beds ala Serta iSeries Vantage or the tempurpedic beds with the breeze cooling gels. iSeries would have been 1685$ in King and the TP would be 3450$ both delivered.
Also looked at some Tuft&Needle reviews and a bunch of Amazon vendors: DreamFoam, Dynasty Mattress and Classic Brands among others.

Read a ton of reviews and opinions about the iseries:

Really liked (past tense) the mattress in the store but reading reviews about fat people (200lbs and over) with cheaper materials and then also the 1"foam rule seems to be ruling this one out now.
Reading about the weight issues it also brought back some memories with an older Sultan Latex Ikea mattress which had developed a deep impression after 4 years of single usage. This mattress had then been replaced with the Finnvick version which is currently the guest room mattress in the house.

Currently I am really overwhelmed with the selection and information found.
Would really like to try out a Tuft&Needle in person in my area before committing to buying it over the internet. Also looked at BK Bedding and DreamFoam which all seem to have nice options.
All the material descriptions of the foam density layers make sense but are overwhelming without having some sort of matrix to compare them against others.

Basically we are looking for a mattress that will last 6 years at least without issues, have some sort of cooling as I do get very hot when sleeping and maybe a hybrid since the top foam comfort layer has felt nice. Firm to semi firm due to my weight and within reason up to 2000$.

Also would like to find what we call a Lattenrost in Germany which are adjustable:

Somewhere here in the states.

Phoenix, what am I missing to help me make a sleeping decision?

I can link all the Amazon beds that were found to be very attractive money wise as well. Ranging from 300-1100$


It may be a good idea to do some local testing (step 3 and 4 in the tutorial) so that you have a better frame of reference to “translate” much of what you are reading in more meaningful terms regardless of whether you end up making a local or an online purchase. If you let me know your city or zip code I’d be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in your area.

There are also several posts that will probably be among the most useful to focus on while you are doing the research that will lead to your finalists.

Post #3 here has more information that will be useful for those that are in higher weight ranges because durability will become a more important factor in your choice and in many cases a mattress that is suitable for someone in a lower weight range won’t be suitable for you.

Post #13 here has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase that can help you make more meaningful comparisons.

Post #2 here has more about the different ways to choose a mattress (online or local) and how to minimize the risk involved in each of them as much as possible.

Other than these it’s really a matter of following the steps in the tutorial post one step at a time until you narrow down your choices to a few finalists so you can make your “final choice” between them.

There is also more information about the many variables that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

Post #2 here also has more information about the variables that can affect sleeping temperature so that you can choose designs and materials that are likely to be more temperature regulating.

The foundation post here has a few options for flexible bases that are both position and tension adjustable under the heading “Combinations of flexible, tension adjustable, and position adjustable bases:”

Hopefully this will help you to focus on the most important information that will help you narrow down your choices to a few finalists that are suitable for you in terms of PPP, that all use very high quality materials that are durable enough for you relative to your weight, and that are all good value based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.



Also heading to ikea today to get some furniture and looking at their mattresses. However looks like they won’t make based on forum research.


The better options and possibilities I’m aware of in and around the Washington, DC area (subject to the “value” guidelines I linked previously) are listed in post #2 here.


Went out to ikea today and really liked the sultan heggedal spring mattress they had on display.
What’s the word on that?

Going to try to head to Mount Vernom store to check out some of the Paramount mattresses seems here:

Sorry couldn’t liked to the compare.


You can read a little more about the Heggedal in post #3 here and a forum search on Heggedal (you can just click the link) will bring up more information and feedback about it as well.


I’ve read those heggedal posts after leaving the store and after reading realized that we didn’t check out which base the mattress was supported on so we will see.

Currently it’s between the ikea heggedal and the Serra iseries vantage until we get some other mattresses tested out.


As you probably know from your reading here … the Serta Vantage certainly wouldn’t be an option I would consider and the lower quality materials would likely be an even bigger durability issue with your weight (see post #2 here). I would be very cautious here.

I would also make sure you can find out the information listed here about the Heggedal so you can make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses as well. It wouldn’t have any obvious weaknesses like the Vantage but once again with your weight and the lower coil count pocket coil it may also not make the best possible choice either.


Yeah good points but I haven’t been able to go out yet.

Saw these:



Not sure what the body decompression code means.


Really need to go down and check out the store in person

After reading this post:

And checking out this dream foam mattress:

How hot would this Get compared to the ikea sultan finnvick that’s currently in the bedroom? Or how does this one compare to the tuft and needle?
Would the firm 11 inch be a better option due to my weight?


I don’t know what it means exactly either (other than perhaps referring to the spine decompressing and the discs rehydrating over the course of the night) and I didn’t see the terminology on the pages you linked. Do you have a link to where this term is used?

I don’t have any personal experience on any of these mattresses and there are too many variables involved with sleeping temperature relative to different people and mattress constructions to know for certain how hot or cool any mattress will sleep for any particular person (outside of actually measuring your sleeping temperature with testing equipment over the course of the night). There is more information in this link which I posted in my previous reply that can help you decide whether you may be more or less likely to sleep hot on any particular mattress based on the materials and components inside it.

The Dreamfoam is a softer memory foam mattress that is comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe in terms of its softness/firmness. The Tuft & Needle is a polyfoam mattress that would probably feel firmer for most people.

As I mentioned in my previous replies … when you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance will be a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced online retailer or manufacturer who will be in the best position to help “talk you through” the options they have available that would likely be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done, and the “averages” of their customers that are similar to you (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).


12.5 Gauge, tempered coils
475 Coil, 6 turn spring unit
Reinforced center third with head-to-foot helical lacing
Ultra dense foams, combined with a pre-compressed design for durability
Hand Tufted
20 year, non prorated warranty
1" Body Depression Code
Available in all standard sizes, as a mattress set, or mattress only

What’s your take on atlanticbeds in terms of their quality? They seem to be disclosing all their foam densities and weights.


The mattress you linked is missing the information you would need about the type and blend of the latex in the upper layers and the density of the polyfoam support core to make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

If you can provide the specifics of all the layers (see here) and list them on the forum I’d be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials in any of their mattresses.


What about the dreamfoam mentioned?

After reading this post:

And checking out this dream foam mattress:

How hot would this Get compared to the ikea sultan finnvick that’s currently in the bedroom? Or how does this one compare to the tuft and needle?

Or this amazon version https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007TBZU3U/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?qid=1420263748&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70


I would help me if you could ask more specific questions instead of the type of open ended questions you are asking. I’m not clear what you are asking me to comment on that I haven’t already answered in my previous replies.

The first link in your post isn’t working but I believe I answered this in my reply here. You may be looking for an answer with a degree of specificity that doesn’t exist and outside of the general information in the link I included about sleeping temperature that will give you some sense of the variables involved that can affect sleeping temperature with a particular mattress … the only way to know exactly how cool or hot any mattress will sleep for you compared to another mattress will be based on your actual sleeping experience.


sorry, I had been on my cellphone or Ipad while travelling. Typing from a laptop now.

Seems to list all the specs for the their foam but the low star reviews are all from 1 year owners claiming that impressions are forming.

Ultimate Dreams seems to have high reviews everywhere including here but long term they all seem to go down:
Really liked this option; but the high rate of sinking mentioned in the comments.

Tuft & Needle has changed its foam recently?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QBZ25SS/ref=gno_cart_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

It seems to me that all foam mattresses are great for a year or so and then turn south; most reviews do not disclose the weight of the reviewer so that could be another factor in the purchase price.

So far I’ve come to the conclusion that pocketed springs are great for me along with some sort of cool type material (latex?) would be beneficial. Most of these would be a hybrid but hybrid could be a mix of latex or dreamfoam.

Atlantic Beds has their genesis which seems like a neat fit
but there is no exact disclosure about the materials being used.

They also talked about anything that is vacuum packed to become an issue later on down the road; some recent DreamFoam buyers had been talking about their mattresses not inflating all the well as well. So is dreamfoam stock piling at this point and then dropshipping?

Today everyone seems to be talking about SleepEZ. So its time to do some research on them now it seems.


I’m not sure where you are reading about all their specs because their description is missing most of the specs for the foam layers including the mygel memory foam, the 3" of “pressure relief” foam, and the base foam but they do mention that the middle layer is 3 lb memory foam which in combination with the other missing layer specs (which are also likely to be in a lower density range) would be enough to make me very cautious about this mattress and I would avoid it unless the only lower quality/density layer was the 1.5" of 3 lb memory foam.

I would be very cautious about using reviews as a meaningful source of information but you can read more detailed comments about this (which would also apply to any similar mattress) in post #2 here.

Yes … and you can read more about the specific in posts #2 and #6 here and the rest of the same topic.

This would depend entirely on the specifics of the mattress and the type and quality/density of the “foam” (latex and memory foam and polyfoam are all “foam”). Again … I would be very cautious about using mattress reviews (either positive or negative) as a particularly meaningful source of information and research (see post #13 here).

Their mattresses that are stocked and fulfilled by Amazon may be compressed and stored for longer than the mattresses they fulfill themselves but either way it’s not likely to be long enough to be an issue with the durability of the materials.


Went to a local independent store in Warrenton called Mattress Authority http://www.mattressauthoritywarrenton.com/
To look at their setup specifically their Body Tech Mattress lineup.
Mattresses felt good but were cheap (cheaper than I think they should be).

Owner wasn’t in and the saleperson on duty didn’t know the exact specs of the foam layers and told me to call back tomorrow once the owner is back in.

All the Body Tech Mattresses are made by Mattress Tech of NC in Thomasville NC. Have you ever heard of them?
Found them online under: http://www.carolinamattressguild.com/
And plenty of posts all over the board including thishttps://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/mattress-search-in-the-dc-metro-area

Sadly the spec sheets are bland as everywhere:

Salesguy mentioned that they sell more Body Tech Mattresses than anything else and that he has one for his son. Forgot to ask him what he is sleeping on.

Also went to sears and checked out a Simmons BeautyRest

But then again no specifics on what foam is used and nor did the sales people now.


Unfortunately (as you mentioned) none of the information you listed says about the quality of the layers and components inside the mattress and without this information it’s not possible to make any meaningful comments about the quality of the materials in any mattress or make meaningful comparisons to other mattresses. It would be safe to assume though that the polyfoam is on the lower end of the quality/density range.

Mattress Tech Enterprises isn’t the same manufacturer as Carolina Mattress Guild (which went bankrupt in Dec, 2014 and closed their business) although they are/were both based in Thomasville, NC. Mattress Tech has a very limited website and there is a list of their trademarks here that they make for various retailers including Mattress Warehouse/Sleephappens (Timeless Bedding and Cheswick Manor), Mattress Authority (Timeless Bedding), and Boscovs (Euro Tex). None of them provide any meaningful information about the quality/density of the materials in their mattresses.

As you probably know … I would strongly suggest avoiding the Simmons (unless you can confirm the quality of the materials in their mattresses) because of the low quality foam that they use in their comfort layers. I have seen some airfeel foam lower than 1 lb density and some aircool memory foam as low as 2 lb density (which are both very low quality/density materials).



called the owner earlier today and he confirmed that the CMG is not the manufacturer. Looked up both and they are 3 miles apart all in the same area which is the furniture assembly village it seems.

Going back to the store and asking them about the specifics on the warranty and exchange procedure (if needed).
Will also try to call the manufacturer tomorrow and see what they say.

Update: we went back to the independent store in Warrenton and purchased the BodyTech Dover Firm mattress. It’s a traditional coil spring with a cooling gel layer up top. Order to delivery had taken a week. Price was just slightly above IKEA heggedal and the mattress felt better and had a better “warranty”.

Still waiting for the log bed sadly so it’s setup like this for now: