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[phoenix]

Hi bluebug,

[quote]We’ve had our Cirrus Luxe for a little over a month. My husband and I both felt it wasn’t softening quickly enough, so we took the advice here and tried removing both the fire sock and cover. It definitely feels much different (softer and more conforming) without the cover. After sleeping on it one night like that, we both agreed that we actually liked it less than we did with the cover on. We both thought the bed slept way too hot, and my husband thought it wasn’t supportive enough - which was one of his concerns about getting a very soft bed.

We then tried putting the cover back on, but leaving the fire sock off. The bed still seemed a little warmer than ideal, and the amount of conformity/softness was in between having both layers on and both layers off.[/quote]

Taking the cover off would certainly affect the feel and performance of the mattress and it would also eliminate any cooling effect of the cover and put you in more direct contact with the memory foam so it’s not surprising that it would affect your sleeping temperature. I would only remove the fire sock because a mattress needs a cover. The fire sock will also affect how much you sink into the mattress and how well the memory foam conforms to your body shape but there are always tradeoffs involved with any change and when you sink into memory foam more deeply then this can also affect sleeping temperature. There is more about the factors that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here and one of the variables is that softer mattresses where you sink in more deeply will generally be a little warmer than firmer mattresses where you don’t sink in as much if all the other factors involved in sleeping temperature are the same. Your mattress protector and your sheets and bedding can also play a significant role in sleeping temperature.

Also, a couple of observations when inspecting the memory foam with the cover off. Touching the foam directly, it definitely seems like it has the conforming properties of memory foam, just with a quicker response. I also noticed that with our bed, there is 3" of 4 lb density foam and 1.5" of the 8 lb density foam, when the advertised specs say 2.5" of 4 lb and 2" of 8 lb. I found this kind of disappointing, since the 8 lb foam feels like it performs more like the Tempurpedic foam than the 4 lb gel foam. I’m wondering if the bed would feel any different/better had we gotten one that had specs that matched the web site.

The higher density memory foam is actually 7.2 lbs see here which was changed from the 8 lb memory foam they were using because their testing indicated it was a better foam and had a better “feel”. Some parts of their site such as here don’t reflect the change. They would be equivalent to each other in terms of quality/durability (once you are past about 6 lbs density or so with memory foam then the increased density has little effect on durability).
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Of greater concern to me though is the difference in the thickness of each layer. The layer thicknesses that are listed on the site are supposed to be correct (and I’ve confirmed this with them) so if your mattress has layers that are out of spec then either your mattress is an anomaly or their supplier is not making the mattress with the correct specs. I would call and talk with them and send them a picture that includes a measuring tape showing the thickness of each layer (and you are welcome to post the picture here as well) so that if your continuing experience indicates that you aren’t happy with the mattress once you have given it a little more time (and followed any of the other suggestions they gave you when you talked with them on the phone which is always the first step before making any changes) that you can start all over again with a mattress that has the correct specs. If your continuing experience with the mattress without the fire sock or as it breaks in more indicates that you are happy with your mattress and you would like to keep it then I would also talk with them about a small refund to make up for the changed specs.

Overall, the jury’s still out on whether or not this is the bed for us. Regardless of whether or not we decide to keep it, we’ve definitely learned some about our likes/dislikes in a sleep surface from having had it.

I’m looking forward to your updates over time

Phoenix