Serta icomfort? Costco tempurpedic?

Well, we were trying to avoid the big 3 s brands, but we have taken another look at the serta icomfort line, since we have slept on an icomfort genius from 12 years ago.

We tried various well made hybrids, we are just super sensitive to motion transfer. Neither of us like latex at all. So the icomfortpro is out. Does anyone know about the icomfort foam only? This is really close to what we had. Felt like brick wall, but we know it will break in.

My concern is that I’m 6-3 230 now, and she’s 5-4 180, so my concern is that the bed may not hold up to our bigger sizes.

Costcos firm tempurpedic is in play too, since it seems cheaper than elsewhere. We know it’s kinda similar to the entry level ones, or maybe last year’s model.

Thanks!

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Hey Coreyward,

I appreciate the different perspectives here, and I’d like to better understand the thought process behind some of the choices being considered. I realize everyone has their own budget and comfort preferences, but I believe the core of this conversation should really be about understanding the quality of the materials being used, and whether they align with the long-term comfort, durability, and longevity one expects from a mattress purchase.

It has unfortunately become more common for many of the larger, legacy brands to cut corners in their materials and construction, prioritizing profit over long-term performance. This makes it all the more important to look past the branding and focus on what is actually inside the mattress.

There’s no question that, with some mattress brands, the quality of materials, particularly the foams, just isn’t where it needs to be for consistent, long-term support. This is especially true for those of us who are heavier or who have specific support needs. If you’re trying to replicate something like the old iComfort Genius, and you’re okay with the likelihood of shorter-term durability, then yes, a firmer iComfort model might feel familiar and work for a while.

That said, I understand the appeal of buying from Costco because of the generous return policy, and it can definitely offer some peace of mind. But for me, I don’t make purchases based on the idea that I might need to return them. A return policy is a fallback, not a buying strategy. I’m not saying anyone here is planning to return a mattress from the outset, but I’ve seen many people default to the mindset of, “I’ll just buy it from Costco, and if it doesn’t work, I’ll return it.”

The reality is, you don’t really know if a mattress will work for you until you’ve slept on it for several weeks, which is step one. And if it does seem to work, step two is figuring out whether it will hold up over the long run. That’s why evaluating the actual construction, the foam densities, the quality of materials, and the thoughtfulness of the design, is so important.

The Mattress Underground provides excellent guidance around this. It shows how, when higher-quality components like dense foams and natural fibers are used, and they’re thoughtfully layered and constructed, they tend to provide better durability and long-term value. Provided the highest standards of manufacturing of those components have been employed.

I do think there’s a place for retailers like Costco, Sam’s, and others with flexible return policies, but ultimately, the best decisions come from looking carefully at the product itself, how it’s made, what’s in it, and whether it truly supports the kind of long-term comfort and performance you’re looking for.

There are mattresses that are memory foam, if that is your comfort zone, such as @Tempflow or very supportive mattresses with modification ability, like @BackScience that are design, constructed and offer trial periods, warranties, and assurance that the mattress chosen is what is important, not a universal store policy.

There are certainly others who offer non latex mattresses, since you suggested that latex is not your comfort zone, that can satisfy the most discriminating of sleepers. And I am not suggesting it has to be a 5 figure Shifman, although it would be a sensible long term choice. Folks like Tempflow and BackScience, are simply higher quality versions of some of the Tempurpedic and viscoelastic foam memory mattresses out there. Additionally, they can be modified and targeted for enhanced support and comfort for individual sleepers in the same bed.

The same way there are much better alternatives to the very popular Sleep Number, such as Personal Comfort, Isense, Isleep, and Airpedic, brands that dont get as much air time, but offer better quality alternatives in their respective spaces.

This does not answer your specific question, but just another perspective on the entire search. Choose your battles of importance. I know you say there is super sensitivity to motion transfer, but would you be willing to sacrifice long term quality for the best motion transfer option? Think about where you might be able to compromise and list your preferences in order of importance and have a discussion with someone like @Tempflow who has been designing mattresses for decades, that dont incorporate latex.

All the best,

Maverick

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Thanks. The icomfort came into play because we had one for 12 years, and the Costco tempurpedic isn’t really for the return policy necessarily, really just pricing. In the stores, she loved the tempurpedics the most-the higher end ones too! But or budget is really low 2000s top for a set- so that’s where Costco came in.

I personally loved the King koil natural, and paramount HD we laid on for about 20 mins. The Airelooms were awesome too, but no sales there. I liked OMF more than my wife did, she wasn’t having it.And I know about shifman, but we are people who have to lay on the bed to try it.

I am also 2 plus hours away from companies like Pittsburgh mattress factory in bradenton or Fix mattress in Daytona, but we simply don’t have the time to go to those mom and pops.

Im trying not to sacrifice quality at all. So maybe if those companies you mentioned have good foam mattresses, maybe worth a look. Have a feeling I may be more of a hybrid person than my wife.

I am familiar with the King Koil Natural, and it is a very nice mattress. Fox mattress in Daytona are very knowledgeable and experienced folks. I think Aireloom, while better than the Legacies, depending on where your buy them can be hit or miss, and they do incorporate perimeter foam edge support both for Macy’s and private retailers.

Yes, @tempflow and @backscience use very high quality versions of their category of components.

Thanks, I called them and they are worth considering!

Also came across Costco sleep science 13 inch cooling bed? Any knowledge on that?

Although Maverick already gave some great insight with how legacy brands often work, to be even more specific, the older iComfort beds used a 4lb. density memory foam over a 5lb. density, so they were more robust to be sure. Tempur-Pedic has also decreased some the density of their mattresses, which is likely why the warranty went from a 20-year to a 10-year limited warranty. Tempflow has maintained the same 40-Year limited warranty for almost 20-years and has that same 4lb. over 5lb. or all 5lb. formulations that both iComfort and Tempur-pedic were originally using, so I do think it does work very well with both of your weights and should hold up very well over its lifespan. Feel free to give us a call or email us if you have any additional questions whatsoever and if you do purchase, be sure to use the TMU10 discount to receive an additional 10% off as a TMU member.

Thanks!
Dr. Rick Swartzburg, D.C.
Head of Product Design
Back Science and Tempflow Mattress

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Good info, and the price is reasonable too. We are in the midst of replacing many things! So we need to make the judgement call of adding 1k to the budget. Plus, if something isn’t right, you guys are in California and we are in Florida. If the bed has a relatively close feel to a firm pro adapt, it may be worth it.

Question… since the reviews are so good, and the materials and service are so good, how come your company isn’t more well known?

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Corey,

Interesting observation. Well known to whom? Here’s an example of something a bit random:

In my day job as a Licensed Optician (42 years), I am the only Licensed Optician and resource in the entire United States who fits Zeiss Z1 F133 lenses, which are used for patients with photosensitive epilepsy, and I keep them in stock as part of our regular inventory. These lenses are incredibly specialized, and there are neurologists in the U.S. who don’t even know they exist. The reason for that is simple; they would have to have been exposed to the Zeiss studies and researched them at some point in their professional training or experience. Once they realize this special lens is available, they begin referring patients to me, rather than sending them to Europe for a solution.

I’ve been fitting these lenses for over 15 years. Ninety-nine percent of the public has no idea who I am when it comes to this subject. Yet, every single patient who has ordered these lenses from me has expressed gratitude equivalent to a 5 out of 5 review, if such a review thing existed for this niche service. On certain epilepsy related websites that focus specifically on this area, there is often recognition of this praise. But for all practical purposes, more people know me for my work here on TMU and Reddit for my mattress expertise.

Recognition is always relative to what you are looking for at the time you need it.

I can not speak for Dr. Rick @BackScience and how he would respond, but unless you would have the need to look elsewhere, where someone is pouring millions of dollars in marketing and advertising, the little guy tends to remain in the smaller circle of specialized products.

We think of fashion designers, we often hear about Gucci, Armani, Lauren and other the popular ones you find in the local mall. Names like Vivian Westwood, Christian Louboutin, Stefano Ricci, Brunello Cucinelli and a ton of others that most have never heard of.

Much like Brands like Hastens, Hypnos, Savoir, or Janjaap Ruijssenaars magnetic 1 million dollar bed. Most have no idea who these mattress brands are.

Just my two cents.

Maverick

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Understood. I really did mean that post as a compliment. I called and the service was great, and the product appears to be way better, pricing is better. Was just curious since it was all better than what I’m seeing here.

Oh, I didn’t take it as a slight or criticism at all, didn’t see it that way for a second.

Sometimes, before a chef like Emeril becomes a household name, or even someone like my college buddy Mario Batali, people might not recognize their talent unless they gain fame, or even notoriety, along the way. To many, they could walk right past them on a beach and never know the kind of culinary brilliance they bring to the table. But that doesn’t diminish the incredible food they create.

People like Dr. Rick often focus simply on helping others, choosing to lead with quality and integrity. That path doesn’t always lead to fame or fortune, but it speaks volumes to the value they offer.

I was just trying to put it into perspective.

That is a great question and I am a big fan of the fact that there are really no bad questions unless they are repetitive, which is not the case. Maverick has the right point, but there is even more to this. Economy of scale is a really big part of this picture. We have chosen to hold the line and use a quality of foam that costs us over 4 times more than the next level we could use and even that level is up to several times more than the lowest quality. As one of the first companies to sell mattresses online, I imagine that we would be ahead of most of the leading brands that have only come on the scene over the last 5 to 10 years, provided we just made a cheaper mattress that would have enabled us to reap the profit margins and volume that would have brought us to that level of household name. Anyway, we continue to hold that line, but we are growing and hopefully, our story isn’t fully written yet :slight_smile:

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I loved my iComfort for 15 years and then had to begin the search. I made many mistakes along the way.
Check out Comfort Option! Quality foams and excellent customer service!
I’d never heard of them until reading a random post here. I’ll now sing their praises to anyone who wants a customizable memory foam bed!

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