Thanks for the answers. I was looking for it from past few days as I was having trouble related to matress.
Hi Phoenix,
Thanks for your response! I’ll definitely look into your recommendations, especially firm latex hybrid mattresses.
I’m in the process of returning my current mattress and the company I bought it from is offering to let me try a Simmons Beautyrest Platinum Holloway extra firm mattress for 120 days (I pay the difference, but I can return it for a full refund plus no return fee). It seems like a good option to get some back relief right away until I do some more research on other mattresses. Here is the link to the mattress: https://www.mattressfirm.com/simmons-beautyrest/platinum-holloway-13.5-inch-extra-firm-mattress/mfi126479.html
What are your thoughts on the Simmons Beautyrest Platinum extra firm? It seems to be a few inches of firm foam on top of pocketed coils. I tried it out at a store and it feels supportive, but do you think it would hold-up well over time?
Thanks
Phoenix, when trying to find a durable mattress for my wife and I (18 BMI and 22 BMI) do I look for mattresses that suit higher BMIs (adding up our weights e.g. 254lbs) or do I look for a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI?
I’m concerned that if I get a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI rather than adding our total weights and looking for a mattress that suits that weight total, the mattress will not be durable enough and deteriorate quicker.
Thanks!
Hi freddie89.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum! 
The recommended durability guidelines are relative to each of the individuals sleeping on the mattress and I’d certainly use the highest BMI of the two sleepers as a baseline (in this case 22 BMI) and not their two BMI’s added together. In either case you both are well within the normal weight ranges and typically the weight is distributed on the entire contact surface quite evenly with some exceptions for people with heavier “areas” or who are more “active” on a mattress that can wear out materials a little faster than lighter, more evenly proportioned, or less active people in which case higher density foams than just the “minimum” guidelines can be more important. I would not have any durability concerns but just in case you wish to rule out some other factors that can affect durability you can peruse post #4 here or post #2 here.
Phoenix
Hi drderek.
I generally advise against the major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta, as they all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors. This lower quality material will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay, which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here).
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,
I tried to Fleep mattress and didn’t find it comfortable, and I’m currently trying the Novosbed medium with the comfort+ firm topper and it seems better for me than just the mattress without the topper. I’m realizing that I need a firmer mattress to be comfortable. It’s been a few days with the topper, but since it’s foam do you think it will soften up once it gets “broken in”?
Also, I wanted to ask you your thoughts on two mattress I’m considering, the Logan and Cove firm and the Silk and Snow Hybrid. These are the specs for each:
Silk and Snow:
- 1’’ 1.8 lbs density quilted cooling gel foam 1.8lbs density
- 1’’ 3 lbs density gel memory foam
- 1’’ 1.8 lbs high density foam
- 1000 pocket coils (Queen)
Logan and cove:
Pillow top:
- Silk blend fill
- 1’’ 2.5 lbs cooling gel
- 1’’ 1.8 lbs contouring eco foam
Mattress:
- 2’’ 1.8 lbs supportive (?) eco foam
- 828 pocket coils (queen)
On the surface is looks like the Silk and Snow uses higher quality materials as they have a slightly denser gel foam and more pocket coils. I wanted to ask you:
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Is there a concern in either of these mattress for someone with an average BMI?
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Would the extra pocket coils be beneficial in terms of durability or comfort? They have the same gauge (13.5 in the top and bottom 3rd of the matress and 14.5 in the middle)
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Is there any concern with a silk blend fill pillow top? I’ve read that pillow tops tend to sag/compress over time, and I believe I read in one of your durability guidelines that quilted tops are generally more durable which the Silk and Snow has.
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Anything else you can speak to regarding these mattresses?
Thanks in advance.
Hi Caeser,
Thanks for the question and the information. All toppers will soften up in time regardless of construction, but it will be difficult to tell on a day to day basis, as it happens gradually. Also FYI, we will probably move this post to a more appropriate topic once you reply.
Here is a link regarding the durability / BMI / support for 12" hybrid Silk and Snow… right here. This article discusses your concerns about the quality of
Regarding the question about support of coils:
In general the properties and support of a spring unit are given by many interrelated factors such as wire gauge - typically between 12 and 19 (the lower the gauge number the thicker the wire and the more firmer coil), the number of turns /wraps of coils (the more turns the softer the coil), the diameter and the number of coils (the higher the diameter the softer the spring), You do not list the gauge /diameter for a the S&S While none of the spring units would be the week link within a mattress in terms of durability all the layers work together and the pocket coil is part of the general design of the mattress and in this case I’d tend to focus on how well the mattress “as a whole” matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences)
Concern with a silk blend fill pillow top:
Yes, quilted pillow tops generally will sag less, but any pillow top made of fibers used in a quilting machine will compress over time. Whether it is silk, polyester, wool, cotton, etc, etc. They are comfortable when you lie on the mattress but will break down quickly…these fibers are not of the quality of high-end foam or latex to be so close to your body. Not saying they don’t feel wonderful to many people, I am sure they do.
Thanks again
Sensei
I have another question this time regarding the Novosbed firm. The mattress layers and densities are:
Firm:
2" - 2.5lb / 22 IFD - 5th generation open-cell pneumatic memory foam
1" - 2.5lb / 22 IFD - 5th generation open-cell pneumatic memory foam
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
7" - 1.75 lb / 38 IFD - Premium support foam
Am I missing something or are the two top layers significantly under the recommended foam density for durability for average and heavy BMIs?
I know Novosbed is a trusted member on this site so I’m curious why that is if they offer this particular model of mattress that uses low quality foam densities.
Hi Caesar,
You are correct the 3" of 2.5lb memory foam is lower than our durability guidelines. So we at TMU would be cautious about the long term durability of these memory foam components, assuming all you quoted information is correct.
Here’s the thing, I have felt many samples over the years of some great 2.5 and 3.0lb memory foam, and I know some of these mfgrs. make these beds and they feel great to a lot of people, but long term durability is sometimes sacrificed when trying to hit a certain cost and feel. It’s not a bad bed, but for high BMI’s TMU advises caution.
Novosbed is not listed as one of our trusted members.
Thanks,
Sensei
Hi again,
I was looking at the Novaform Serafina Pearl Firm mattress sold by Costco. The breakdown of the layers are:
2’’ Gel memory foam - 3lbs density
3’’ Air channel foam - 5lbs density
9’’ Support foam - 2lb density
The bottom two layers seem to be of high quality but I’m wondering about the first. I know TMU guidelines recommends against 3lbs or lower density for an inch or so of memory foam, so I’m wondering if the memory foam layer in this mattress would be low quality for someone with an average BMI/weight?
I’d also like to ask about this Springwall mattress:
https://www.costco.ca/Springwall-Natural-Luxury-27.9-cm-(11-in.)-King-Mattress.product.100412523.html
The layers listed are:
12.7 cm (5 in.) high-density bio support foam
7.6 cm (3 in.) high-density trizone bio plush comfort foam
5.1 cm (2 in.) natural gel latex (Talalay Latex)
2.5 cm (1 in.) MDI CocoBreeze Foam
Unfortunately the densities aren’t available. When I asked Springwall directly they told me, “the foam densities are high because this product is roll packed and it needs high density foam to bounce back”. I thought that was odd because there’s a lot of roll packed mattresses that use low foam density so that’s not necessarily true, and I thought Springwall had a reputation for being transparent about their mattresses. I also asked whether the mattress is firm or medium-firm because the product page I linked states both (description sates med-firm while the image states med).
They told me to ask the retailer if I wanted more info. Again, I found that odd since as the manufacturer they should be able to clarify that for me and indicate foam densities.
Anyways, would you or phoenix be able to speak to this mattress? I know in the past Phoenix has had contact with some managers from Springwall, so I thought maybe he would have some insight into this mattress.
Thanks.
Hi Cesar,
Thank you for the question. Regarding the Novaform Serafina mattress at Costco, it’s great to see that you are referencing the mattress durability guidelines. Well done on your knowledge and understanding of these guidelines. I took a look at the Costco Novaform Serafina Memory Foam mattress and the specifications listed on the website are as follows:
“Top layer: 5.1 cm (2 in.) layer of new ComfortLuxe® Gel-Pearl for cooling comfort and support
Middle layer: 7.6 cm (3 in.) layer of LURAcor™ foam which cradles less and pushes back more, for individualized weight distribution and support, and a firm feel
Bottom layer: 22.9 cm (9 in) layer of support foam offers durability and deep support”
Were you able to confirm from Novaform / Costco that the densities you mention as the exact densities? Generally speaking, the densities listed in your post for average BMI would be right on the border. Depending on the type of sleeper one is, very active sleepers tend to wear out mattresses faster than ones that move around less. The other factor for the “product” you listed would be the ILD/IFD’s of the 5lb and 3lb comfort layers. Of course, one’s budget comes into play here also, for some people they are ok with
Regarding the Springwall product, all of the Costco links for this product are no longer listed. Also the same issue for the Springwall website. Neither site lists Natural Luxury 11 inch product anymore, so it’s difficult to make any specific judgments.
You are correct that many lower density foams do bounce back, but I can’t fault Springwall for touting the use of high-density foam for durability. Maybe they are trying too hard to link this to roll packing mattresses, but it seems like it’s one of those things people would say over the phone, almost like they have an answer to questions they think people are worried about.
Regarding the picture saying medium and the description saying medium - firm, it can be a little tricky as Costco does sign off on the photos, as it is the manufacturer that usually provides the marketing materials, but this could be an administrative error, unfortunate yes and unlikely in this case that they are trying to “pull one over” on consumers.
Thank you again and let us know if you have any updated information on the specs.
Phoenix
Hello
I am having problems finding the right mattress and I just discovered this website. I am not sure I am posting at the right place…
A couple of years ago a bought a firm coil mattress on Costco’s website. At first it was fine but then it became too firm. I eventually bought a memory foam topper, but it was too hot, so I put a wool blanket and egg shells on top to make it cooler… it kinda worked and tolerated it for a couple of years but last fall I decided it was enough.
I bought the Endy mattress, it was kinda good, liked the feel of the mattress, no odor, but I felt pressure points under my hips and decided to try another mattress.
I tried the Silk and Snow. I still felt a bit of pressure points but less. I didn’t like the feel of the mattress (gel) and it still smelled strong even after a couple of weeks. I returned it.
Just got a Plush Sealy mattress (Sizemore) from Costco I like the feel of the mattress but it’s way too soft. It doesn’t support me and gives me lowerback aches. I will return it.
I think I might try the Novosbed medium or buy the same Sealy mattress but the firmer version. Just wondering if you have any input? I am a bit tired of this, the amount of info, reviews, websites… is overwhelming… it is so hard finding the right mattress.
I have a tendency to feel pressure points under my hips. I am a man, I live in Montreal, my bmi can range from 21 to 25 and I have a neck injury (if that changes anything).
I only tried mattresses in a box and Costco because I can return them without any fees and I actually avoided stores because sometimes you are limited to one exchange, need to pays fees and/or are forced to buy their expensive protectors.
Thanks for any help with this
Hello Eagle_Traveler.
Welcome to The Mattress Underground! If you have narrowed down your next selection to the Novosbed medium and the firmer version of the firm cucoon by Sealy, you are comparing 2 very different options. As a former member of this site, Novosbed had met our stringent criteria for quality and component transparency. Addionally, you have post-purchase options with Novosbed to adjust the firmness that you do not have with Sealy. Given that you do not have any qualms about purchasing and returning mattresses, but anticipating that after so many attempts you seek to find something ideal, higher quality and integrity may weigh more heavily in your next decision. If you are looking for a Canadian company that is a current TMU trusted member and has similar products, you may want to consider MFC, https://en.memoryfoamcomfort.ca/
Hope this helps!
Team Luma
Thank you
Is there any truth to the rumor that Avocado natural cotton covers actually contain polyester? Michael of Design Sleep told me that, but I have not been able to confirm it. Why would he tell me that if it’s not true?
Hey doctorx0079,
I do not have any first-hand knowledge regarding this particular cover. . It will say what the construction of the fabric is on their law tag. Avocado does have la lot ofl inks to certifications on their site.
Regarding the GOTS certification, textile products only need to have a minimum of 70%, quote below from the webiste - The Standard - GOTS, so its makes perfect sense that it may have some polyester, it’s really hard to get the “stretch” needed on knitted fabric with just cotton.
Thanks.
Sensei
[color=black]Hi all,
Looking for a queen mattress for two, and it’s looking like Brooklyn Bedding as they have a pretty good sale going on right now.
What’s the biggest difference between the “Signature” and “Bowery Hybrid”? The price gap is about $100, and it seems like the only difference is the top layer material?
We are both mostly side and some front sleepers, so I’m wondering if there’s any reason to get the Signature over the Bowery Hybrid.
Thanks![/color]
Hey Laaandry
Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :).
Thanks for the post. What did Brooklyn Bedding tell you the difference is? There as been some discussion of these new mattresses since Q4 2018.
Below are my cut and paste from their website. The signature has the 2" Titanflex, which is one of the newer memory/poly foams. You can read more about the newer generation of new generations of polyfoams here.
The signature has the 2" Titanflex and 2" Energex foam, and the Bowery hybrid just has the 2" comfort foam (whatever that is) and also foam in the quilt package. Signature also markets some temperature regulating qualities. Clearly, there is a fairly big difference between these two products. I have not slept on them side by side. Which one is better for you is an entirely different question. Have you tried these mattresses?
Signature:
Offered in three levels of firmness to let you decide the level of support you need
Features a 2" top layer of patented TitanFlex™ foam, combining all the contouring properties of memory foam with the responsiveness of latex
Designed with a 2" layer of firmer transitional Energex™ foam for deeper compression support
Engineered with a 6" base of up to 1,024 individually encased Ascension™ coils for increased support and decreased motion transfer
Infused with cooling TitaniumGel™ to moderate your body temperature throughout the sleep experience
Finished with a 1" high density foam base for added durability and reinforcement of individual coils
Bowery Hybrid
Offered in a universal, medium firmness that balances just the right amount of pressure point relief with optimal support
Features a 1" layer of quilted, gel memory foam that resists body impressions and provides optimal cooling comfort while you sleep.
Designed with a 2" layer of comfort foam to create a gentler transition to the mattress core.
Features open cell technology for increased airflow and breathability.
Engineered with a 6" base of up to 1,024 individually encased Ascension™ coils for increased support and decreased motion transfer.
Finished with a 1" high density foam base for added durability and reinforcement of individual coils.
Thanks let us know if you have other questions.
Thanks for the response!
I have not tried them as there’s not a showroom for them near me, however, in contacting support, they pointed me towards the Bowery Hybrid as they claim it’s more suitable to combo sleepers, which my partner and I would likely qualify as.
We are coming from a 6ish year old Tempurpedic with gel top that has starting to feel too firm, causing shoulder and hip pain. So a softer hybrid mattress made sense after I stayed at a relatives house and slept on a more traditional innerspring and slept great.
Ultimately, the price would come out to about $150 cheaper for the Bowery Hybrid which has me about ready to pull the trigger on it. I’ve heard good things about Brooklyn Bedding and had no such luck finding a similarly priced, quality, hybrid mattress.