I had a somewhat unexpected change of situation since I posted on the other thread concerning tempurpedics and christeli. I know longer need a king so it opens up my prices a bit. I also only have to consider my weight which is 120 to hopefully 130 in the future. So after realizing that the christeli was 3lbs and a bed in box, I have opened my mind to other online dealers and maybe even latex. I have a friend who bought a bed boss bed locally. im aware of the needed caution w/ that brand and have emailed them about densities included the density of the base. I saw lots of info online and here about the memory foam density but not sure if it is old info so I want to make sure.
I saw this post… SleepEZ has several options here
Arizona Premium Mattress has some options here and here and here
Luma Sleep has a Talalay/Innerspring mattress here
Flexus has a dual sided and dual firmness latex mattress here .
My Green Mattress has an all latex and a latex/pocket coil hybrid here
Sleep On Latex has two latex mattresses here .
Sedona Sleep has a two piece polyfoam/Talalay latex base mattress/topper combination here
Latex Mattress Factory has a 7" latex mattress here …
I was wondering if one, if anyone has found any of the mattress in a physical store or if anyone knows of a store that carries something similar so that I might try the latex feel. I see lots of online memory foam and latex mattress but its all becoming overwhelming. I still have the option of the things I mentioned in the other thread but I really don’t want a king now and that’s what was available at the time. There is a floor model temp that I might consider but I would rather spend less or at least have money back or exchange option.
if anyone has any direction for me for my weight and just as reference I like the feel of the cloud elite softness, but maybe the cloud supreme. i don’t know if that would benefit anyone giving me ideas on latex bc of the different feel but just putting it out there. im not set on latex or memory foam.
I just was closing my email and discovered bedboss had replied. They stated they could not give me the details bc of legal reasons. I emailed back that I did not need to know specifics but just if any model had over 1.8lb base w/ over 4lb memory foam. Im sure they will not give me that info but I just wanted to try. So not sure if what I found from other posters stats is correct anymore. maybe they changed their mattress.
For me, “Real Simple Real Sleep” brand Mattress, available at Bed Bath and Beyond, was by far the best mattress in a Box I have ever tried. It is super comfortable, organic and everything good. Sweet Dreams!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
@Eric LK M - I checked out the link provided about the mattress you’re recommending and see that they give no details about its construction. Nothing about the layers of foam used or their densities are specified. Very risky buying such a mattress since there’s no way to predict its durability without such information. Then I noticed that there are only two reviews given, both from the same person who also happens to use some of the exact phrases as you do above. Hmmm… :S
Fleep mattress is one of the newer Bed in the Box (BIB) entries on the Canadian market (2 years old) that capitalizes on the reversible feature and the 2 comfort options it offers. While in terms of durability this mattress would not raise any red flags for average BMI weight ranges, I would place a slight caution for higher BMI ranges (See the durability guidelines here) They do not list the ILD specifications of the layers to be able to assess the bed design as it relates to softness/firmness needs of any individual sleeper. In the case of poly and memory foam, density and ILD specifications are the only reliable indicators of quality and suitability regardless of any names or word descriptions used to describe the foams on a website. If anything, and generally speaking, foam names and descriptions are more connected with marketing and generally do nothing more than to created confusion in a market that is already saturated by clever ways of using words to “push” and make a product more “marketable” based on an impression that is created about the foam/product rather than quantifiable qualities given by facts, specifications, testing and raw data.
In the case of Fleep while the idea of having two-sided BIB is novel as it can accommodate a wider range of needs it is essentially a BIB with two comfort options. While they list two firmness choices (firm and soft) it is not clear where in the range of firmness/softens this would fall … e.g. how soft the soft is or how firm the firm is. A more reliable way of assessing suitability would be listing the ILD. Someone looking for a “different firm” in a Fleep mattress would not be able to make it work unless they exchange one of the memory foam layers inside the mattress.
You can also read some of my initial thoughts about the mattress in Post #2 here and you can also perform a quick Forum Search here to see what has been previously discussed about them on the forum.
Phoenix. (ADMIN Note: The posts about Fleep to its own dedicated topic to make it easier to research. )
@ Sweet Dreams
[indent]As usual, thank you for your valuable contributions.
As you well noted Eric LK M (first-time poster) inserted a promotional post and will be shortly removed from our forum. [/indent]
Fleep mattress is one of the newer Bed in the Box (BIB) entries on the Canadian market (2 years old) that capitalizes on the reversible feature and the 2 comfort options it offers. While in terms of durability this mattress would not raise any red flags for average BMI weight ranges, I would place a slight caution for higher BMI ranges (See the durability guidelines here) They do not list the ILD specifications of the layers to be able to assess the bed design as it relates to softness/firmness needs of any individual sleeper. In the case of poly and memory foam, density and ILD specifications are the only reliable indicators of quality and suitability regardless of any names or word descriptions used to describe the foams on a website. If anything, and generally speaking, foam names and descriptions are more connected with marketing and generally do nothing more than to created confusion in a market that is already saturated by clever ways of using words to “push” and make a product more “marketable” based on an impression that is created about the foam/product rather than quantifiable qualities given by facts, specifications, testing and raw data.
In the case of Fleep while the idea of having two-sided BIB is novel as it can accommodate a wider range of needs it is essentially a BIB with two comfort options. While they list two firmness choices (firm and soft) it is not clear where in the range of firmness/softens this would fall … e.g. how soft the soft is or how firm the firm is. A more reliable way of assessing suitability would be listing the ILD. Someone looking for a “different firm” in a Fleep mattress would not be able to make it work unless they exchange one of the memory foam layers inside the mattress.
You can also read some of my initial thoughts about the mattress in Post #2 here and you can also perform a quick Forum Search here to see what has been previously discussed about them on the forum.
Phoenix. (ADMIN Note: The posts about Fleep to its own dedicated topic to make it easier to research. )
Tried SOL medium 9" queen last summer and alas it didn’t work – persistent hip pain. But I haven’t found a better solution and need to replace futon mattress. Tempted to order SOL firm 9" and cross my fingers. Can’t return/get$back twice in one year (their terms are beyond reasonable, great company to work with) so rather worried about decision. I understand their firm no longer as firm as when they started out due to complaints of too firm (which I’d probably like). Have others moved from med to firm SOL with good success? I want to love this mattress but bottom line need good sleep without pain. I’m 5’8" 135 pounds 68 year old female physically active.
While I don’t have personal experience with either configuration SOL transitioned in Spring to softer versions to accommodate the consumer “need” for more plushness. When I asked Karl about it he commented that the change is not very noticeable but that the slight change was prompted by consumer feedback and of course in mind with the fact that the Dunlop has a firmer feel. You might want to give SOL a call and to find out if they think that the change can be enough to make a difference for you. I am sure they accumulated enough consumer feedback to be able to estimate this.
Not sure if this is the right place to write this, but I need help looking for a supportive innerspring mattress. I got married a year ago, and within the last year, we’ve gone through 4 different king mattresses (Helix, Helix extra firm, Dreamfoam Spring Dreams, & Simmons Beautyrest Altman). All 4 of them sunk a lot around my hips and I’ve actually developed lower back pain. I almost exclusively sleep on my back.
I actually love the twin mattress I grew up sleeping on and I’ve slept on it for over 30 years. It’s a Sealy Posture Premium Level IV but I can’t find any information about it. The main reason I like it is that it’s very supportive with no sinkage. I really feel like it pushes up against my hips and I never had back pain when I used to sleep on it. I don’t think it even has foam layers, which is what I actually like! I’ve read that old innerspring mattresses were constructed with a thin layer of cotton/wool batting, and I think that’s what my twin mattress has.
So I was hoping someone could help me find a mattress with:
-Supportive innersprings (coil gauge 13 or less. The Beautyrest I’m currently sleeping on has 13.75 gauge coils and I think they’re too flimsy)
-Minimal/no foam
-<$3000 (but willing to spend more if necessary)
-A good return policy if possible (I’m really glad I have been able to get my money back on my previous 4 purchases and I would hate it if I ended up with a bad mattress I couldn’t return)
I should probably add that I live in the greater Los Angeles area, specifically San Bernardino, but I commute back to Los Angeles a lot so I wouldn’t mind checking out a few stores there. I checked out a retailer called Mattress City once, but it was such a bad experience that I now want to avoid those similar big name retailers (like Sit n Sleep).
As a back sleeper, you are correct that you need a firmer and more supportive sleeping surface. Back sleeping has a slightly less curvy profile that is not quite as deep as in side sleeping and the “gap” that needs to be filled in with the comfort layer for pressure relief is generally the small of the back (the lumbar area) which is why a slightly thinner and firmer top layer will generally work a much better. In other words for back sleeping a slightly shallower cradle is needed. A good starting point for a back sleeper is 2" of softer material on top of your mattress and then increasing or decreasing from there depending on other factors like weight, preferences, or other sleeping positions.
I am not sure what’s in the comfort layer of the Posture Premium IV but regardless of the brand generally mattresses that were made that long ago tended to use higher quality materials (in the comfort layers especially) than the mainstream mattresses made today (see post #3 here ). Even though you do not perceive any “sinkage” it’s almost sure to have lost some of comfort layers’ height and firmness since you purchased it even if the foams don’t show any visible impressions. (this can be confirmed by testing ILDs of the materials in your mattress for firmness/softness). If you were to open up the mattress you’d probably also discover that the foam (or batting) inside had some minimal compression but not enough to make any meaningful difference in comfort or support. If your mattress was two-sided (which were also the norm at that time) then if you flipped the mattress on occasion it would also even out any impressions and allow the side that wasn’t in use to recover and even though it would still be gradually softening over time, it would soften more evenly over the entire surface so it wouldn’t be as visible.
While there may be some slight impressions (that you may or may not notice over time) a firm hybrid latex mattress that is a suitable match for you in terms of PPP will last you for many years. You can see a video here of a latex mattress that was in use for almost 50 years (although most people wouldn’t keep any mattress for nearly that long because their own needs and preferences would also change over time and 50 years for any mattress isn’t a realistic expectation) and both blended Talalay and 100% natural Dunlop have a long history of lasting decades (see post #9 here ).
I’m not sure what you’ve read since you found the site but just in case you haven’t read it yet … the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).
The criteria you previously listed fits a wide range of products so unfortunately, it is not possible to predict and point you to a specific mattress or combination of materials and components you will do best with or that you will sleep best on with any certainty based on specs or “theory at a distance” …I would be very skeptical of anyone who claims that they do but you seem to be heading in the right direction in planning to do some local testing… you’ve been through quite a few mattresses in the last year and you’ve collected enough data points that will be helpful in your discussion with trusted manufacturer/retailer to find a suitable and long lasting mattress. Some good local testing will also give you a much better sense of the many different types of materials and components that are used in mattresses and some reference points about the types of mattresses (see this article) and confirm the firmness level you tend to prefer which can help you narrow down your choices regardless of whether you end up purchasing locally or online.
At a quick glance some of the Trusted members of our site that carry products that fit your description are Flexus Comfort and Nest Bedding. Flexus has their manufacturing facility in Covina, and Nest in Los Angeles and also CA on your I10 or 210 commutes that you can visit and whose products would meet the criteria that you are looking for in a mattress and will go to great lengths to ensure that the mattress is suitable for you. Also going the other direction on I15 you can visit the Mattress Makers that has some double sided firm options such as the Kensington firm that you may wish to test. I’d certainly do some local testing and rely on the guidance of a knowledgeable manufacturer or retailer that can help you narrow down your choices.
If you are interested specifically in latex or latex hybrid mattresses then this link in the tutorial is to a list of the members here that sell mattresses online and many of them sell latex and latex hybrid mattresses that use different types and blends of latex that have a wide range of different designs, options, features, return and exchange policies, and prices that may be worth considering. Post #3 here also includes a list of many of the online manufacturers that sell component latex mattresses.
As your questions are quite similar to drderek’s post above we’ve moved your post into this topic.
I understand your urgency to purchase a new mattress and you certainly aren’t alone … but this is exactly the time to slow down and do some preliminary research to learn about your broader needs and preferences, a few basics about mattresses, and to gather all the information you’d need to make a successful mattress choice. The first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here (there is a condensed version of it at the end of that post) which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
Your criterion is very broad and can’t be used in isolation … each mattress category can include hundreds of different mattresses with a very wide range of different designs, different “feels”, different characteristics, and different firmness levels. Every individual layer and component in a mattress (including the cover and any quilting material) will affect the feel and response of every other layer and component both above and below it and the mattress “as a whole” so each mattress category will generally include some mattresses that have a design that will be a good “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) and others that use the same type of materials and components and are in the same category and may be just as durable but have a different design or firmness level that may be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on … even if it uses the same general type of materials and components. Along with the support/firmness you’d also need to assess the comfort/pressure relief both of which are the most important functions of a mattress for everyone and the only way to know for certain whether any specific mattress will be a suitable choice that provides you with both will be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience because different people can have very different needs and preferences in a mattress in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) You can read more about this in mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here.
Thanks for your response! I’ll definitely look into your recommendations, especially firm latex hybrid mattresses.
I’m in the process of returning my current mattress and the company I bought it from is offering to let me try a Simmons Beautyrest Platinum Holloway extra firm mattress for 120 days (I pay the difference, but I can return it for a full refund plus no return fee). It seems like a good option to get some back relief right away until I do some more research on other mattresses. Here is the link to the mattress: https://www.mattressfirm.com/simmons-beautyrest/platinum-holloway-13.5-inch-extra-firm-mattress/mfi126479.html
What are your thoughts on the Simmons Beautyrest Platinum extra firm? It seems to be a few inches of firm foam on top of pocketed coils. I tried it out at a store and it feels supportive, but do you think it would hold-up well over time?
Phoenix, when trying to find a durable mattress for my wife and I (18 BMI and 22 BMI) do I look for mattresses that suit higher BMIs (adding up our weights e.g. 254lbs) or do I look for a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI?
I’m concerned that if I get a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI rather than adding our total weights and looking for a mattress that suits that weight total, the mattress will not be durable enough and deteriorate quicker.
The recommended durability guidelines are relative to each of the individuals sleeping on the mattress and I’d certainly use the highest BMI of the two sleepers as a baseline (in this case 22 BMI) and not their two BMI’s added together. In either case you both are well within the normal weight ranges and typically the weight is distributed on the entire contact surface quite evenly with some exceptions for people with heavier “areas” or who are more “active” on a mattress that can wear out materials a little faster than lighter, more evenly proportioned, or less active people in which case higher density foams than just the “minimum” guidelines can be more important. I would not have any durability concerns but just in case you wish to rule out some other factors that can affect durability you can peruse post #4 here or post #2 here.
I generally advise against the major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta, as they all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors. This lower quality material will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay, which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here).
I tried to Fleep mattress and didn’t find it comfortable, and I’m currently trying the Novosbed medium with the comfort+ firm topper and it seems better for me than just the mattress without the topper. I’m realizing that I need a firmer mattress to be comfortable. It’s been a few days with the topper, but since it’s foam do you think it will soften up once it gets “broken in”?
Also, I wanted to ask you your thoughts on two mattress I’m considering, the Logan and Cove firm and the Silk and Snow Hybrid. These are the specs for each:
Silk and Snow:
1’’ 1.8 lbs density quilted cooling gel foam 1.8lbs density
1’’ 3 lbs density gel memory foam
1’’ 1.8 lbs high density foam
1000 pocket coils (Queen)
Logan and cove:
Pillow top:
Silk blend fill
1’’ 2.5 lbs cooling gel
1’’ 1.8 lbs contouring eco foam
Mattress:
2’’ 1.8 lbs supportive (?) eco foam
828 pocket coils (queen)
On the surface is looks like the Silk and Snow uses higher quality materials as they have a slightly denser gel foam and more pocket coils. I wanted to ask you:
Is there a concern in either of these mattress for someone with an average BMI?
Would the extra pocket coils be beneficial in terms of durability or comfort? They have the same gauge (13.5 in the top and bottom 3rd of the matress and 14.5 in the middle)
Is there any concern with a silk blend fill pillow top? I’ve read that pillow tops tend to sag/compress over time, and I believe I read in one of your durability guidelines that quilted tops are generally more durable which the Silk and Snow has.
Anything else you can speak to regarding these mattresses?
Thanks for the question and the information. All toppers will soften up in time regardless of construction, but it will be difficult to tell on a day to day basis, as it happens gradually. Also FYI, we will probably move this post to a more appropriate topic once you reply.
Here is a link regarding the durability / BMI / support for 12" hybrid Silk and Snow… right here. This article discusses your concerns about the quality of
Regarding the question about support of coils:
In general the properties and support of a spring unit are given by many interrelated factors such as wire gauge - typically between 12 and 19 (the lower the gauge number the thicker the wire and the more firmer coil), the number of turns /wraps of coils (the more turns the softer the coil), the diameter and the number of coils (the higher the diameter the softer the spring), You do not list the gauge /diameter for a the S&S While none of the spring units would be the week link within a mattress in terms of durability all the layers work together and the pocket coil is part of the general design of the mattress and in this case I’d tend to focus on how well the mattress “as a whole” matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences)
Concern with a silk blend fill pillow top:
Yes, quilted pillow tops generally will sag less, but any pillow top made of fibers used in a quilting machine will compress over time. Whether it is silk, polyester, wool, cotton, etc, etc. They are comfortable when you lie on the mattress but will break down quickly…these fibers are not of the quality of high-end foam or latex to be so close to your body. Not saying they don’t feel wonderful to many people, I am sure they do.
Am I missing something or are the two top layers significantly under the recommended foam density for durability for average and heavy BMIs?
I know Novosbed is a trusted member on this site so I’m curious why that is if they offer this particular model of mattress that uses low quality foam densities.
