Talalay Topper Recommendations

I am a 6 ft 3, 230 pound male with chronic lyme disease, fibromyalgia, back pain, degenerative disc disease, prior lumbar back surgeries and current bulging and torn disc. I bought a new 16inch stearns and foster luxury cassat estate ultra plush pillow top bed in 2021 which feels still too hard, even though it’s a medium soft. I recently purchased a 2 inch sleep on latex organic dunlap soft topper and it helps with added pressure relief but feels still hard at times. Would a 2 or 3 inch Talalay plush soft topper soft be a better solution in giving me the cloud like, springy soft pressure relief without me sinking to far down?
I am a side and back sleeper. I don’t want to buy a new bed yet.

Here are links to my current bed so you can see the specs

Thank you in advance.

Yes, but at your weight you will need to rotate and flip regularly to avoid long term body impression. 3" of #19 will make the biggest change and what I recommend

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Thank you Ken.

I thought with Latex, you don’t have to flip or rotate and it doesn’t suffer from permanent indentations?

From my research it’s not necessary BUT it will absolutely help w longevity. The nice thing is you’d only have to flip the latex.

Also… may not need a new bed but may want to consider, at some point, cutting yours open, salvaging all the components that are still great, toss the ones that aren’t and putting it all into a new encasement. I almost did that w ours but I really want our hybrid to have springs from edge to edge.

I watched a YouTube vid of a guy doing this and he pulled out a yoga mat size portion of “gel infused foam”… from a QUEEN size mattress! A yoga mat amount! :person_facepalming:t2: This industry is such a racket.

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Thank you, it’s a great bed that I have and was very expensive I just think that with the micro coils in their top pillow top layer and given my condition once I sink down through the memory foam onto the coils it causes me unbelievable amount of pain in the middle of the night to the morning. I do like the stability and beefiness of it overall. My sleep on latex 2 in Dunlop topper improved it greatly but I’m thinking what I’m looking for is a 3-in tallalay and I’m hoping that does the trick.

Hi mkczj,
One thing you have to remember about the S&F. It uses viscoelastic memory foam in the comfort layer (while their spring system is a nice quality) the memory foam is not offering the soft support you may may need. Yes, it is soft, but you are likely sinking, particularly if you sleep a bit hot. Because everyone different with different requirements due to various physical conditions and needs. At 6’3 230, (I am 6’ formerly 250 now 220) I understand the amount of force we apply to the surface of a mattress.

While most material experts might agree that memory foam is very pressure relieving, I would also offer that many of those unbiased experts would agree that talalay latex exhibits pressure relieving qualities of it’s own while keeping you “floating” rather than sinking into the mattress placing a strain on those bothersome areas.
Adding a topper may help, but you still have to remember the basic construction and engineering of the existing mattress. This is not to say any mattress is good or bad quality. (If those ultra comfortable $230 New Balance running shoes that your neighbor raves about, are too narrow/wide/tight a fit for you, it doesnt matter how great they are for someone else). From my perspective a mattress is no different.

Because you own the mattress, certainly trying a few ancillary options is the best plan of action. Keep in mind you may get temporary relief and then potentially re occurring issues as that VE foam in the S&F, is VE foam and acts performs the way it always will.

Rotation, regardless of material, is always a benefit in evening out wear on any mattress material.

Good luck with it,

Maverick

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Thanks maverick, you are exactly right and that’s what I’m facing right now. It feels great at first and then when I sink down into it throughout the night I hit those coils and causes me a lot of pain. So I tried the Dunlop route it improved it significantly we’ll now try hopefully the talalay Route 3 in soft I’m thinking directly on the Stearns and foster. And see if that helps if that doesn’t help then at least I can use that 3 in soft towel lay hopefully in a Do-it myself custom build of a new bed with just layers of latex hopefully I won’t have to go that route

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If it does not work, I would not rule out placing a layer of coir on top of the mattress and then stacking the talalay, and/ dunlop and talalay on top of it to try and prevent the slow swallowing quick sand effect. Again, from my perspective, you “own it” with the mattress. Now the approach is to “fix” the issue with the least amount of financial exposure, before calling one of the TM’s to offer a potential better solution.

All the best
Maverick

Another recommendation was to use the 3-in Dunlap soft that I currently have I think it’s a mixture of Dunlop and talalay that sleep on latex does with an ild of 19 and then get a 2 in softer tally to put on top of that. But that’s going to add more height and weight to it it will be like a bunk bed at that point

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This Cal King does have 3000 individual coils and then it has the micro coils on top of that so I’m hoping I should be good with just the talalay 3-in soft on top of this instead of using the Dunlop as well

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Thanks for everyone’s input so far and I welcome additional expert opinions in helping me make this decision. Thanks again

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I am a relatively light person, but old and with some joint and back issues. I would try talalay before you get a 3" dunlop. Talalay has a different feel and is bouncy and responsive. For me, dunlop is firm and less responsive. just my 2

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Hi Maverick,

So 2 years ago I got a warranty exchange and went with the SF luxury hybrid firm. It feels hard and then too soft and wake up with severe stiff body pain and back pain and can’t get comfortable to fall asleep . I’m a back and side sleeper I like to side sleep a lot more than on my back but those are the two positions. I unfortunately shot up in weight now to 255 due to a medical condition. I’m ready for a latex bed or latex hybrid where I can unzip as well and change out the layers as my goal is to lose the weight and get back down to 220. What do you think is the best recommendation should I go all latex? Latex hybrid? Or latex , a little bit of foam , hybrid? All natural would be great as well I’ve been looking at plush beds, nest owl, sleep ez and dlx. I would like to have minimum 13 in to 14 in height range given that I’m very tall at 6 3. I also need handles sewn in around the sides of the bed that’s very important. Looking to purchase ASAP as I need to have the bed delivered within a month as I have an important surgery coming up end of August. Thank you!

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Hi Mkczj,

Welcome back!

I’m sorry to hear the S&F Luxury Hybrid Firm hasn’t worked out for you. I remember that being a tough choice at the time, especially within the constraints of a warranty exchange. Hopefully we can find something that better aligns with your body, sleeping style, and current needs.

Based on everything you’ve shared, I do think you’re on the right track focusing on mattresses with zippered covers and interchangeable comfort layers. Given that you’re currently around 255 lbs but expect to lose weight as your health improves, having long-term adjustability built in is a smart approach.

For context, I went from roughly 255 lbs down to about 220 lbs, and it didn’t dramatically change what worked for me mattress-wise. What did change over time was my preference, I have come to realize as I get older, I can be comfortable with slightly less extreme firmness, and more balance between support and pressure relief.

Many of my latex-focused colleagues would likely steer you toward an all-latex mattress at your height and weight, and there’s definitely merit to that approach. For you specifically, though, I find myself more often leaning toward a quality latex hybrid built on a strong edge-to-edge pocketed coil system. In my experience, this tends to provide a more familiar feel, excellent support, strong pressure relief, and easier movement than all-latex for many sleepers.

A few options that stand out to me in no particular order:

• Brooklyn Bedding ThermoBalance Elite Firm / LX Elite Firm
• DLX LatexLux
• European Sleep Works Nordic II HDM

The @DLX LatexLux is especially compelling because of its fully interchangeable comfort system. Having the ability to swap firmness levels (they offer 4 different firmnesses) over time gives you a level of adaptability that’s hard to match, especially as your body weight and comfort needs evolve. It’s also a very solid, well-built mattress that should have no issue supporting your frame.

The ThermoBalance LX Elite Firm is another strong option. It combines Talalay latex with a substantial support core and offers meaningful pressure relief while still maintaining good support. I also like that the memory foam layer is positioned deeper in the build compared to what you’ll find in something like S&F, which helps it function more as part of the overall support/comfort system rather than creating that immediate sinking “stuck in the top layer” feel.

For reference, I have a ThermoBalance Elite Firm (pre-LX version) in my guest room. At 6’0" and around 220 lbs, I find it surprisingly comfortable for side sleeping even though it’s labeled Firm. Given your height and current weight, it would likely feel a bit more forgiving to you than it does to me which may be a nice sweet spot for you.

The Nordic II HDM from @EuropeanSleep Sleep Works is also worth serious consideration. When I tested it, I found it very well-balanced with a strong overall build and a very comfortable surface feel. The combination of Latex, microcoils and spring support, was certainly impressive.

If I were narrowing things down based on your side/back sleeping mix, need for a 13–14” profile, and desire for long-term adjustability, I’d focus primarily on these three.

One thing I can’t overstate is the importance of a proper foundation. A rigid base with closely spaced slats (ideally under 3") makes a noticeable difference in both support and durability.

Regarding handles, I know that’s important to you. Some of these models include them, but they’re generally not intended for lifting full mattress weight, especially with latex builds, which tend to be very heavy. I’d treat them more as positioning aids than true carry handles.

Keep in mind these are just a few options that stood out to me. There are a host of options that are likely to work for you.

Best of luck with your upcoming surgery. I hope you’re able to get something in place quickly that gives you consistent, restorative sleep.

Maverick

Thank you so much for your quick reply and your great recommendations! I’m going to start researching these as well. What do you think about the nest owl latex hybrid? They upgraded to 8 inch coils and that’s about 14 and a half to 15 in and it’s organic cotton with swappable comfort layer as well. Thank you again and hope all is well

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I like the nest owl, and I think it is a very nice mattress.

I want to be transparent about a couple things I’m a little concerned about in that build. My main hesitation is around the use of multiple 1.5 lb polyfoam layers in the comfort and transition sections. In my experience, especially at your size and sleeping style, lower-density foams like that tend to be the first point of breakdown over time and can start to lose their supportiveness sooner than you’d want.

My other concern is the inclusion of the 14 ILD “Plush” latex option. While latex itself is very durable, that level of softness can become too yielding for a heavier side sleeper and may not provide the consistent support your shoulders and hips need over time. I worry it could end up feeling comfortable at first, but not stable enough in the long run, especially given the issues you’ve already been dealing with. I am not certain, it would be at the top of my list. Perhaps a Naturepedic EOS which @TheCleanBedroom, @OrganicBedroom or @PlankAndCoil would be happy to discuss the array of options with that mattress. My take on the EOS would likely be,

  • Medium (top)
  • Medium (middle)
  • Coils
    Although, there is a case to be made for the top layer being soft (because of your up coming surgery) For me, I would lean towards that Medium Top layer, but as I said, the soft may be the fit for the immediate, plus you can always swap down the road.

Great points thank you . I was thinking medium or firm for the top layer which is 3 inch Talalay . I’m going to research those other companies you mentioned right now

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