Update on The Nest Hybrid Latex: 2 weeks in and so far, I am very happy. I got the medium firm, which turns out to be firmer than I had expected, so I added back my 1" of Talalay topper and have been sleeping well. It is definitely cooler than any of the other mattresses (foams and combinations of foams) I have had. The addition of the latex pillows was also a good choice. Because they are zippered, I could remove handfuls of the latex until I got the pillows the way I wanted them. Additionally, I have added silk pillow covers and a tencel/cottom blend sheet set. Very happy with all purchases. What has made this all possible is the recent significant drop in prices of the latex products.
Hi organizer,
Thanks for taking the time to provide an initial update. I’m glad that you are sleeping well so far on your new Nest latex mattress. I hope you’ll be able to provide future updates after you’ve slept upon your new mattress for a while longer.
I’m just curious - are you referencing recent promotions from Nest Bedding? Latex itself went through a price increase this spring from the component suppliers.
Phoenix
When I initially priced latex mattresses approx 5 yrs ago, what was available, in the bay area, ran in the 4+K range, especially when they used the wool component as a price justifier. Both the latex hybrid and the 100% latex, through The Nest, are priced very close to each other. My full size hybrid was 1.5K. (As I already own a good quality foundation, that did not need to be part of this purchase.)
My recollection is that 5 yrs ago a 100% latex mattress was not the norm, and considered a luxury item. Foam was being pushed as the cheaper alternative with supposedly the same benefits as latex. I am assuming that part of the difference now, in not having to shop at a traditional mattress store, and the lower overhead of mattresses that are able to be flattened and rolled into a box and shipped directly to consumer, as opposed to being shipped and handled as a full mattress, and delivered by the mattress company, all play some roll in price difference.
The only “promotion” I was aware of, was the mentioning of certain mattress review sites, which generated a $100 discount (paid for one latex pillow). If they were running any other promotions, they were not posted or discussed by the store staff, even when I specifically asked.
Hi organizer,
Thanks for the clarification on your comments. I see by your reference that you’re going back a few years on your time frame. You are correct that the proliferation of online marketing and shipping methods for mattresses have brought about a wider range of items to the attention of the public. Even though latex has been around for decades, the greater online availability is allowing consumers the ability to find similar products from other areas of the country at different price ranges (often lower), even though the raw material cost of latex has risen over the past five years.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question!
Phoenix
Thank you very much for your site! When I started looking for mattresses for my wife and me, I read multiple sites with very subjective recommendations but very little information. I am really glad to find TMU which provides so much education!
My wife and I sleep in separate beds because I am a very light sleeper. My wife is 135 lb and 5.6". She is a side sleeper. Currently, she has an old spring mattress with memory foam pad. Her stated preference is for a soft mattress.
I am in 180 lb and 6.8". I sleep on 4 yo memory foam matrasses. I fall to sleep in side/stomach position, but I always wake up on my back. I play sports after work in the evenings and sometimes my muscles still hurt when I go to bed.
I am thinking about Innerspring/Latex hybrid Soft for my wife and Innerspring/Latex hybrid Medium for me.
Also, we have a metal frame. Would you recommend to buy a special foundation or existing metal frame is fine?
We have a Palo Alto Nest Bedding store not far from us. It’s kept in high regard on this site and we are planning to visit it this weekend. Are there any other good mattress stores in South Bay?
Any advice is highly appreciated.
Hi grey01.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum! 
Thank you for the kind words, and I am happy that the information here is helpful to you.
Based upon your commentsI think you’re already on the right track and have a general idea of the types of components you need to look for in your new mattresses. Generally traditional innerspring mattresses are notorious for motion transfer issues for “light” or more sensitive sleepers. Two independent units using two twin extra long mattresses, on separate bed frames and separate foundations is certainly the best way to minimize motion transfer. I am not sure if you gave up totally on the idea of sleeping in the same bed or how motion sensitive you are but … in case you are still considering a common bed … If you’re placing two twin extra long bed sets upon the same frame, you’ll still have some motion transfer but not so much as with a side by side split (needed to accommodate for the difference in feel, BMI, and sleeping positions between partners). Pocket coils are generally good for motion isolation, unlike innersprings that are linked with helicals which are generally poor to fair depending on the specifics of the innerspring and the foam layers above it. Motion transfer easy to test for and it may be worth trying a latex/ or memory foam pocket coils unit or all latex with a side by side dual configuration that would have better motion isolation, Latex is among the least motion transferring of materials second only to memory foam.
Either way, I would certainly suggest to you to rely on the advice of the manufacturer themselves as they are much more familiar with their own mattress designs and materials than anyone else (including me) and they can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the “averages” of other customers that may be similar to you. Before the showroom visit I’d make sure to revisit the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices … and know how and why to avoid the worst ones which would include the major brands or any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the quality of the materials inside it. With a local purchase for the majority of people … careful testing using the guidelines in the tutorial linked above rather than just testing for the more subjective “comfort” of a mattress (which often won’t predict how well you will sleep on a mattress or how it will “feel” when you sleep on it at home) and some good guidance from a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer will usually result in a mattress choice that is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and will generally be “close enough” so that if any fine-tuning is necessary it would be relatively minor and involve different mattress pads, sheets, mattress protectors, or perhaps even a topper if a mattress is too firm (see post #4 here and post #10 here ).
Some good local testing will also give you a much better sense of the many different types of materials and components that are used in mattresses and some reference points about the types of mattresses (see this article) and general firmness levels you tend to prefer which can help you narrow down your choices regardless of whether you end up purchasing locally or online.
Because warranty requirements can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, I always suggest checking with the manufacturer of the mattress you are considering to make sure that the metal frame you own meets their warranty criteria (or read the warranty)
I am glad that you are visiting Nest Bedding which is one of the manufacturing Trusted Members of this site Like all the memberr of our site they are very knowledgeable and skilled in guiding their customers to make the best possible choices out of the many options they have available.
Also you have some other equally valuable trusted members that are less than one hour driving distance from Palo Alto and South Bay :
[indent] Bay Bed & Mattress Santa Cruz, CA
Flexus Comfort in Covina CA
Foam Sweet Foam in Fullerton, CA [/indent]
Like all the members here I think very highly of and consider them to compete well with “the best” in the industry.
I’ll look forward to learning about your progress and of course any other questions you might have.
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,
Thank you very much for your advice and suggestions! I found so much information on the site not only about mattresses but also other components of the “Sleep” system such as pillows, mattress covers and sheets! (That’s the reason for a delayed reply: I start reading one link and then jump to another and so on ).
We will visit the Palo Alto Nest Bedding store over the weekend and Bay Bed & Mattress Santa Cruz and will provide the update.
Hi Phoenix and All,
Just FYI, I’ve got the following info from very helpful Nest Bedding Customer support:
Natural Latex Hybrid:
1st Layer: Organic Cotton Stretch Knit Fabric
2nd Layer: 2" of Eco Flex Quilting Foam 1.5 Lb density
3rd Layer: 3" of Dunlop Latex Medium: 24 ild / Plush: 14 ild Firm: 36 ild
4th Layer: 2" Eco Friendly Comfort Foam 1.5 Lb density
5th Layer: 7 inches of Leggett and Platt 660 steel coil system
6th Layer: 1 inch support foam 1.8 Lb density
Organic Latex Hybird:
1st Layer: GOTs certified organic cotton cover
2nd Layer: Certified organic wool batting
3rd Layer: 1" GOLs Certified Latex 36 ILD
4th Layer: 3" of GOLs Certified Dunlop Latex Medium: 18 ild / Firm: 32 ild
5th Layer: 7 inches of 660 steel coil system
6th Layer: 1" GOLs Certified Latex 32 ILD
Coil System:
6-inch steel coils.
Gauge: Core - 13.75 / 5 turn coil Edge - 13.75/ 4.5 turn (creates firmer edge)
Coil Count
Twin: 392
Twin XL: 420
Full: 560
Queen: 660
King: 840
CalKing: 837
Nest Bedding Latex Mattress:
1st Layer: 3" Medium 14ILD Dunlop Latex or Medium 18ILD GOLS Dunlop Latex
2nd Layer: 6" Firm 36ILD Dunlop Latex or Firm 32ILD GOLS Dunlop Latex
Update.
We twice visited the store. It’s really nice and it’s in the downtown Palo Alto which is always great to visit. We selected two “Hybrid Natural Latex – Medium” for both of us. We also added “Breather Side Sleeper” pillow, “Cooling Mattress Protector” and selected “White Glove service” for $ 150.00 . I have been sleeping on the pillow and really like it.
Unfortunately, we haven’t had a very good experience since. They say 2-3 days for Production and 1-5 days for delivery. There has been two weeks since we placed the order. Nobody can provide me the status of when item will arrive. I sent an email to customer service and they told me to contact the local store. When I asked for a tracking number, the email was not answered.
One day when I came home, I found a large heavy box outside of the garage door. When I called the next day to ask when the “White glove” team arrive, I was told that one mattress was not included in the box and they were waiting for it. Called them again today. The sales person said that he would contact his logistics team and come back to me about when the second mattress will arrive.
I work for a company. We would always provide the tracking number or expected arrival date. Sometimes, things happen and we run out of inventory. We will proactively send regular updates on when we think we can deliver the product. It didn’t happen with Nest. That’s not what we expected from “White Glove” service. I am kinda disappointed so far. Hopefully, if and when the mattress gets set up it would be a better experience.
Hi it’s Joe the ceo. Sorry for any issues, text me at xxx-xxx-xxxx with your name and order number will get to the bottom of it. Just an aside, if you ordered the latex bed that’s 5-7 business days, the 1-2 are the foam or coil beds. Thanks! And just an aside: with white glove we don’t send tracking as I’m sure you’d understand.
Glad we were able to connect and get things back on track. Sorry you felt we weren’t being responsive we strive to give great service. We really make every attempt to set the expectation that the latex product takes 4-8 days production time. There is a bit more moving parts and attention that goes into that product. Our our FAQ page we do set that expectation but I can see where someone would confuse that with our foam products that ship quicker so I’ll try to make that more clear on the site. Thanks again for your business! Joe
Hi NestBedding ,
Thank you, Joe, for stepping in and clarifying the production timing, shipping expectation, and details. I am always impressed with Nests responsiveness, attention to detail and customer care. :cheer:
As per your request, your personal the phone is now removed from the previous post.
Phoenix
I can tell that Nest Bedding is a good company.
Just wanted to say thank you for this info! Very helpful.
I’m looking for advice myself…
Are you aware that Nest Bedding has changed the design of the latex hybrid 3 months ago. Instead of wool there is now a layer of polyfoam under the cotton cover. Used to be wool like the organic version of the bed. From what I understand this is most likely a cost cutting measure and the idea of foam between you and the latex is kind of odd in a “natural” bed.
Just wondering if anyone else is aware of this. I tried the latex hybrid from Nest and liked it. I am just wondering if they are cost cutting at the expense of the quality of materials used in the bed.
Hello Bluski,
Thank you for revisiting our Mattress Forum. You asked " Are you aware that Nest Bedding has changed the design of the latex hybrid 3 months ago". Yes, we are well aware of the product line changes made by our trusted member, Nest Bedding. As detailed earlier in this thread (see grey01’s post on 9/7/18), Nest Bedding revised its product line into Natural and Organic categories of both its Hybrid and All Latex models. We do not see this as a cost cutting measure but more of a targeted marketing product line strategy. Nest Bedding’s product specifications are very transparent on its website. We are certain that if you discuss the changes with a Nest Bedding representative, you will learn even more about the reasons for the product line changes and the differences between the natural and organic models.
TMU Admin
Thanks for getting back to me. I asked the local salesman at the showroom the same question…he had me call a manager at another store since he was a bit new to the company. The manager told me he thinks it is a price point issue and I guess its to differentiate between the “Natural” bed and the organic one that is $600 more. He kind of agreed with me that is was in fact a cost cutting move. Now if I spoke to corporate headquarters I very well might have got another answer. Both stores are selling many more of the natural latex hybrids than the more expensive organic. I liked the feel of the new natural nest bed…but it seems counter to being natural to use a synthetic foam over the natural latex. I don’t like the idea that wool has been taken out of equation to a cool sleeping mattress. Perhaps this design makes sense since some people find latex too firm? There is no mention of why this new configuration is an upgrade from the previous mattress.
If I seem perplexed it is because I am.
Hello bluski,
The are oftentimes many reasons for a mattress company, or any consumer product company for that matter, to make product line changes. The primary drivers are increasing raw material costs, a need to “refresh” the line-up to remain competitive and/or feedback from customers. It is rare a company “explains” why the changes are made and even more rare that they compare the new product to the former product as there are many customers who purchased the former product, including those who just recently purchased it. This applies not just to mattresses, but to all consumer products. While claims of “New and Improved” are part of the marketing of a new version of a product, rarely is the improved explained unless the new product has new features or new benefits.
In its new product line configuration, Nest is differentiating natural vs. organic. The price difference communicates that the organic components are both more expensive and seen as a greater value. If Nest is selling more of the natural latex hybrids as you state, then price point would appear to be a more significant value consideration than the implied benefits of organic.
Nest is using “eco flex” material in the quilting layer of its natural hybrid. Nest is treating this material as proprietary and not communicating its detailed specifications or material content, most likely for competitive reasons. You state that you like the feel of the new natural latex hybrid. It is supported by Nest’s in-home trial, return/refund and warranty policies. It appears your apprehension lies in having a few very detailed questions re. why changes were made and what makes up the eco-flex material. Expecting a mattress company, even one that is a trusted member of this site, to be fully transparent to each customer’s satisfaction is not a realistic expectation. You may likely need to decide if you are willing to purchase a good feeling product from a reputable company where every question you have is not answered to your satisfaction.
TMU Admin
Hello Bluski,
I just wanted to brief reply and thank you sincerely for considering Nest Bedding. As our friends at The Mattress Underground have noted, there are a lot of reasons why a mattress is updated or revised, but the primary motivation for us with this mattress is price-point. We love latex and all that it brings to our Nest Bedding family members, and we really are wanting to have a mainstream product that feels great, is responsible with the materials that are being used, and is affordable to as many people as possible (with the same great quality standards, guarantees, and after-sales support).
I would love to answer any additional questions that you may have about the materials used in this product and our motivations for any changes that were made. Please do not hesitate to write to me directly at [email protected].
Sincerely,
Todd Leslie
Director of Customer Experience.
Nest Bedding
Hi bluski,
You may also want to check out this thread here (particularly Posts #30 & #31 from the CEO of Nest Bedding): https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/avocado-mattress
It looks like the decision to redesign their Hybrid Latex mattress had to do with comfort & pressure relief as well, not merely cost savings. We had the former Talalay version of their Hybrid Latex mattress, and couldn’t get the comfort right as lightweight combo (side/back) sleepers. To their credit, Nest Bedding was very accommodating in trying to dial in the comfort level that we were looking, and even refunded us back for the mattresses when we couldn’t get situated with them.
We’ve since tried the newer Natural Hybrid Latex (my brother got that mattress), and think that Nest Bedding has resolved the comfort & pressure relief issues that we had experienced with their former Talalay Hybrid Latex. As the CEO of Nest Bedding notes in the thread referenced above, wool on latex can be a bit too firm/stiff for some people, which was our case. The new Eco-Flex foam certainly alleviates that, and provides a perfect balance between pressure relief (for side sleeping) & enough support (for back sleeping). We’ve tried over 10 mattresses personally, and investigated at least 20+ mattresses, and it’s the best mattress we’ve encountered. It feels like a traditional mattresses that we grew up - yet better.
As for the chemical concerns, there doesn’t appear to be any off-gassing with this product. My partner is sensitive to strong odors, and she couldn’t detect any. Also, it’s worth noting that most Talalay latex out there isn’t “natural” - but a blend of 30% natural latex rubber and 70% synthetic material. You’re likely going to run into some form of chemicals one way or another - or find firmer products that only use Dunlop (like we did with the Avocado mattress - which was waaaaaaay to stiff for us).
Plus, Nest Bedding’s warranty and lifetime comfort guarantee are tough to beat. One thing to mention about the Natural Hybrid Latex mattress from Nest Bedding - we did notice that it sleeps a little warm. Not excessively so (we didn’t wake up sweating or anything), but it was just slightly warm enough. Our sense is that a cooling/phase-changing mattress pad or cover should alleviate that. Not a huge concern, but something perhaps to consider.
So, honestly, having surveyed just about all that’s currently out there right now, we think the Nest Bedding Natural Hybrid Latex is one of the best options available at the moment. If we had a mattress review site, it would be our pick for “Mattress of the Year” - we think it’s that good. They really dialed it in with this one. And if you don’t like it, there’s always the Organic version, too.
Hope that helps, and definitely don’t hesitate to follow up with Nest Bedding’s customer service team. They’re super helpful. Good luck with your search, too!