Thus far, we narrowed the search to a few choices:
Cozy Pure - 6+3 layers
Sleeping Organic - 3+3+3 layers
Sleep EZ - 3+3+3 layers
Brooklyn Bedding - 6+3 layers
and have tested and am considering from Clean Bedroom
Oyasumi II - 2+4+2 layers
OrganicPedic Duo - 3+3+3 layers
All of these are exclusively or have all Dunlop options. (I haven’t tested Dunlop core with Talalay Comfort, but wife is ok with all Dunlop so that’s what I’m going with).
I haven’t tried a 6+3 layer mattress, anyone can share what are the main difference (aside from greater customization) in feel?
We are leaning (due to my preference for firmer mattress) for the 6+3 - it’ll be a 6 firm + 3 medium layer. Or for 3+3+3, 3 firm + 3 medium + 3 medium layers. Again, I’m around 150, back sleeper. My wife is around 115, back and sometimes side sleeper.
We are still considering the Oyasumi II because wife was okay with it, but I found it not thick enough. When I sat on it, it felt too thin. Was it just too firm, or perhaps all in my head?
I also believe that Cozy Pure is the only one of the choices that have “zone” type layer. Is it very significant? The rest are just regular layers of latex, I believe.
You are certainly looking at some high quality options
The specific difference would depend entirely on how the the 6" + 3" layers compared to the other options you are considering (assuming they are all 100% natural Dunlop) in terms of firmness, layer thickness, the order of the layers, and the type of cover they used. There would be very little difference between two 3" layers and a single 6" layer that used the same type and blend of latex where both of the 3" layers were the same firmness as the single 6" core and had the same materials above and below them and a very similar cover and quilting (see post #2 here) but once you start changing the thickness or firmness of the layers, the mattress cover, or the design of the mattress then there would be a more obvious difference between two different mattresses with different designs or components. The only way to know whether any specific difference would be better or worse for you in terms of PPP would be your own testing or sleeping experience.
You can see some comments about zoned layers in this article and in post #11 here and post #2 here. If the zoning is a good match for you then it can certainly make “some” difference in terms of PPP depending on the specifics of the zoning.
When you are down to finalists that are all choices between “good and good” and there are no weak links in any of them (which there aren’t) and no clear winners between them … then post #2 here may be helpful when it comes time to make your final choice based on all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
The combination that we tried that was (OMI - organicpedic duo) 3 firm, 3 medium, and 3 medium. That was closest to getting to the firmness level that I/we prefer. We tried 3 firm, 3 medium, and 3 soft, and that was too soft.
But I don’t know how to translate this through an online order.
You won’t need to “translate” it because one of the most important parts of an online purchase is a more detailed conversation with the retailer or manufacturer that you are dealing with so they can help “talk you through” the options they have that would have the best chance of success. If the retailer or manufacturer you are dealing with is familiar with the OMI (Organicpedic) Duo and has the same type and blend of latex available then they will be able to tell you which of their layering combinations would be the closest approximation even though it may not be an exact match because of any differences in the cover, exact firmness levels of each layer, or the sculpting of the latex. If they aren’t familiar with the Duo then the more information you can provide them the more you will help them to help you make the closest choice.
If they have a good exchange or return policy then you will be able to use your actual sleeping experience to decide on how close it is to your “target” and/or whether it is a good match for you in terms of PPP based on your actual sleeping experience.
In addition to getting a new mattress, we also need a new frame. I was thinking of getting an Ikea frame + Ikea slats. Specifically the Lonset slats. I believe the Lonset replaced the Sulton Luroy.
Are these slats okay? Cuz it’s flexible I heard that there might be potential for sagging.
They would be fine in terms of supporting the mattress but they can change the feel and performance of your sleeping system in terms of PPP compared to a rigid non flexing foundation that is more common with latex mattresses because the support system will have some extra give under the mattress. How much you notice this or whether the effect is beneficial or detrimental to your sleeping experience will depend on the specifics of the person and of the mattress. You can see more of my thoughts about tension adjustable flexible slat systems in post #13 here and post #2 here and post #2 here.
Hmm… my wife wanted to get the Hurdal frame from Ikea (Products - IKEA). Agreeing with your suggestion that the flex slats might not be good (for 9" latex mattress), where would I shop for rigid slats.
You could buy 1 x 3" slats or 1" x 4" slats cut to the correct length for your bedframe and using good quality stiff wood (such as spruce, yellow pine, or fir … see here). Just make sure that you have enough so that the gap between the slats is 3" or less (less would be better). A google search on slat roll will bring up more sources for slats but just make sure that you confirm they are the right size.
Another good and inexpensive option is the slat conversion linked here (again make sure that it fits your bedframe).
Yes these would also be fine (they have a 1.5" gap according to the description) but I would check with the manufacturer of your mattress about the Ikea bedframe because some manufacturers have a warranty that requires a center support beam with at least one supporting leg to the floor in queen size and two in king size.
If you have confirmed that the slats are 3" or less apart then it should be fine for an all latex mattress.
It seems that some of the west elm slats are 4" apart (see here) which is a little more than ideal spacing but it also seems that some of them may be less than that (based on the picture here which has 16 slats) so I would check to confirm the distance between the slats in the bed you are ordering.
Unfortunately, there was a problem with the bed frame and it got cancelled. So now I’m in a bit of a pickle. I ordered the 10 Leaf from Sleeping Organic (went with S/M/F config) and it should be coming any day now. Except we don’t have a bed frame. Maybe you can help me go through some of the things I’m looking at.
I’m also considering Structures Malouf highrise - Amazon.com. Ours will be an all Dunlop mattress, but I don’t remember what issues you brought up with regards to this type of foundation/frame.
And … any place else to look? Ideally, it should have some storage space in the bottom, and not too difficult to disassemble and reassemble (we tend to move often). I would really like to get the frame ready for when the mattress arrives, we already got rid of the old frame and have our mattress on the floor. Thanks.
The foundation post here should be helpful and includes the guidelines I would suggest for a latex mattress and includes some sources for some good options as well.
I’m not familiar with this platform bed so I would want to make sure that it had gaps between the slats that were 3" or less but it does have a center beam with one support leg to the floor so this part would be OK. If the slats were 1x3’s it would probably be close but just a little over but if you wanted to “make it work” you could add something like the bed rug here to even out the support underneath the mattress.
This would certainly be strong enough but you can see my thoughts about wire grid support surfaces in post #10 here.
Regarding the steel grid: It’s not that you hear of any particular latex mattress maker or customer warning against these types of foundations, correct? Your weariness (if that) is from abundance of caution.
I was going to place some layers of the full size flat sheets underneath (since we won’t be using those as much anymore). Or perhaps getting the coconut bed rug a little later on.
Part of my “abundance of caution” comes from conversations with a few manufacturers who have shared their experience with some of these types of foundations leaving impressions in the latex over longer periods of time.
That was my initial reaction when I first saw the metal grid frames/foundations. I would think the metal grids would “cut” or “groove” into the latex. But I haven’t actually come across this problem while surfing the internet. And it seems a lot of your posters here use this type of frame.
But the bottom layer of the mattress has a cover. Assuming there’s additional layers of sheets or the coco rug, that should mitigate much of the issue?
I haven’t seen any comments about it on the internet either (outside of the forum here) but I have in some of my conversations with a few manufacturers. I think that the issue would be more apparent with some of the newer steel platform bedframes or foundations with larger gaps between the wires. Wooden slats generally have about a 50% support surface area (depending on the width of the slats and the gaps) while some of the wire grid type of foundations or platforms have a much lower percentage of contact area.
Yes … the type of cover would affect the risk of the latex impressing and with something like a bed rug I think that any risk would be minimized and it wouldn’t be a concern.
To keep things up to date, after the West Elm bed frame got cancelled, we scrambled for plan B and placed an order for the Austen with World Market. I actually never bought anything from World Market before, and they don’t have a store near me. I couldn’t get anymore information about the slats - over the phone - the central customer rep didn’t know and the store rep didn’t want to check the floor model for me. But if it was 14 slats, like Phoenix mentioned, it should be close to or meet the the 3 in. “rule”. If the gap is too wide, I’ll worry about it then, either supplementing (if possible) some DIY slats or a bed rug.
Already put an order in for 10 in. Leaf (S/M/F all in organic dunlop) with Sleeping Organic. Was suppose to arrive a little after the West Elm frame, but now the timing is a little screwy. But it’s okay, hopefully everything will be set up by next week.
The World Market frame arrived but the Sleeping Organic mattress took a long time to ship. There was backorder for the mattress cover, which delayed things by a few weeks. The delay was annoying but it arrived and that’s all that matters.
The frame was easy to put together but needed two people. I have a question about the middle leg, it adjusts based on notches, and I’m at the lowest one but it’s about 1/4 inch off the ground, should it be touching the floor? In which case, I can try to insert another nut as a spacer, or maybe look to a third party option.
The mattress was also easy to put together though also aided by having a helper. Queen is heavy and bulky. Starting with S/M/F configuration. No instructions in box or website, but googling (and this site) helped with the instructions and expectations. The latex were marked with firmness, organic, and from India. If only organic option is Dunlop, I have to assume it’s Dunlop, right? I only ask because it felt slightly bouncier than I had previously tried, but it was month or two ago, so my memory might have fogged a bit.
All told, took less than an hour for everything.
This is about three nights in. Much better than my previous sleeping surfaces. My spouse thinks the mattress is quite good and is happy with it. I am able to sleep deeply. However, my lower back (back sleeper) has a bit of tension. I originally wanted something firmer than the S/M/F option since I like a firmer mattress but decided to start out with S/M/F to see how it goes. I’m not sure if the lower back tension is due to adjusting to the new mattress since I know it takes some time. And I had previously been sleeping on the sofa and had (worse) back discomfort. It hasn’t reached a painful level, and I’ve been sleeping fine, no waking up in the middle of the night, and very soundly, but there is still a bit of tension. It feels fine when I get out of bed and am walking around.
I’m going to keep at it for a couple more days before making any changes. But any thoughts?
I’m glad that everything arrived OK and congratulations on your new mattress as well
Yes … it should be firmly on the floor so provide good center support. You could also put something underneath it so that it can support the weight above it.
As you mentioned … I would give things a little more time (generally 2 weeks is a good minimum) so that your mattress can break in a little and your body can adjust to a new sleeping surface but you also have several options available if you need to adjust either the comfort or support of the mattress by rearranging layers (or an exchange if that turns out to be necessary). You can firm up the sleeping surface by putting the medium over the soft or you could firm up the support by putting the medium on the bottom and putting the firm directly underneath the soft top layer and of course a more detailed conversation with Sleeping Organic about any “symptoms” you may experience would give them the chance to make some suggestions as well.
After a couple of months, the mattress is too plush/soft/cushioned. We switched the layers to F/S/M, with medium on top (from F/M/S). But it’s still too soft.
We are past the 90 day period. But I was going to switch the layers again before calling Sleeping Organic. Is there a configuration that is recommended? Either S/F/M with medium on top, or is M/F/S better? I’m thinking the former. Thanks.
