Flight attendants back pain

Hello, I’d really appreciate any insight or guidance.

My husband (150 lbs) and I (160 lbs) currently co-sleep with our 1-year-old on a custom latex mattress made of three layers encased together in a single wool mattress cover. The configuration (from bottom to top) is:
Extra Firm (bottom)3’ Firm (middle) 3’ Medium (top)3’ , with a thin wool comfort layer sewn into the top.

Our base consists of wood slats from Home Depot, each 1 inch thick and stacked without any gaps. There’s also a metal center beam with 4 legs for additional support. (King size)

We’ve had this mattress for less than a year, but it’s already giving us issues:

Sleep styles & problems:
• My husband is a side sleeper and sleeps ok
• I prefer sleeping on my stomach, but I wake up with intense lower back pain in this position so I toss and turn all night and usually end up on my side with pain in my shoulder, lower back, and pelvis.
• I also notice that the area around my lower back feels like it’s sinking, which worsens the discomfort.

Recently Hotel experience:

While staying at a hotel in Florida, I slept on a mattress that felt amazing. It was supportive, with a thick, plush pillow-top layer that allowed me to comfortably sleep on my stomach without any back pain or arching.
The mattress had springs inside, and the pillow top was removable, attached with a zipper all around the mattress. Unfortunately, the hotel staff didn’t know the brand or model.

What I’m looking for:
• A mattress with strong support, but still comfortable enough for stomach and side sleeping
• Preferably available to try in-store before purchase
• Ideally not compressed in a box
• Free of fire-retardant chemicals, if possible
• Budget: Up to $3,500
• Located in Northern New Jersey

@Maverick thank you for creating such a thoughtful and supportive community!

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Hi Mg-FA and Welcome to the community.

Thank you for sharing your situation so clearly. Based on everything you’ve described, it sounds like you’re looking for a mattress that offers solid support for stomach sleeping but still feels comfortable enough when you shift to your side.
Support as you may know, begins with a quality and robust, in this case, spring support layer, and it seems your foundation appears to be solid.

The preference to have something chemical-free, ideally not compressed in a box, and available to try in person in the Great Garden State, in the Northern New Jersey area. Keep in mind that today’s BiB is not your grandfather’s buick, although I current am a grandfather and have two new buick’s. LOL :grinning: There are some BiB’s that you could never distinguish from a convention mattress. But no worries, there are plenty of traditionally designed mattresses with all the necessary components to go around.

Since your current latex setup is causing you lower back and shoulder pain, and you recently had a great sleep experience on a hotel-style innerspring mattress with a plush pillow top, it may be an indication you are looking in the right direction…or not! The plush pillow top is an important component, as you dont want too soft to cause hammocking over time, something that may not have been evident while spending a week or so on a hotel mattress of similar design. If the pillowtop is a medium to medium firm, well supported section, things may work fine in your favor.

While some hotel mattresses seem great for the time that you are there, much of that greatness is often short lived, particularly if you try to purchase that particular hotel mattress. Although some boutique hotels use good quality designs right from some great independent mattress manufacturers, as opposed to the 3-5 year hotel chain mattress, specifically designed for that purpose. It is a thing.

The good thing is, you will be looking at, and working with some of of the most experience and qualified folks in the NJ/NY area who will be able to guide you on the complete journey. Comfort, durability and longevity.

Keep in mind that shoulder pain can be associated with poor pillow choices, or worn down pillows, and yes, a mattress not matched to your preferences. Consequently, if a poor pillow is causing the issue, pain can migrate down the back. Side sleepers generally require loftier pillows, whereas stomach sleepers prefer low profile pillows.

To start, a few mattress companies worth checking out for your situation are @ShovlinMattress “Shovlin Mattress”, @TheCleanBedroom “The Clean Bedroom in NY” Shovlin Mattress Factory is based right in Fanwood, New Jersey, and has a reputation for building durable, hand-crafted mattresses. They offer traditional innerspring and latex hybrid options, and their Latex Nirvana collection is especially known for its balance of firm support and plush comfort. Shovlin’s mattresses are made with US-sourced materials and can be customized to fit your and your husband’s sleeping needs. Plus, you can visit their showroom and work directly with their team to test out different firmness levels and configurations, which is a big plus. Not only a plus, but an essential key to getting it right.

Another excellent place to explore is @TheCleanBedroom, which is a retailer that specializes in organic and non-toxic mattresses.The Clean Bedroom in NY, offers a variety of brands, that can also fit your profile and preferences. Their Naturally Organic Line is in your budget range and they can fit you for a suitable model.

A couple of other Brands that may offer options in your budget and preferences is Millbrook and Hemingway. They are made by BIA, (Bedding Industries of America), their factory is located in North Brunswick, NJ. They have brands that offer high quality mattresses with attachable toppers that can target you comfort level, pressure points, and are removable. You can contact them for locations where they can present some options to test.

The best next step would be to visit the showrooms for Shovlin Mattress and The Clean Bedroom, since they’re local and offer a hands-on experience. When testing mattresses, try lying in both your usual stomach position and the side position you tend to end up in during the night. Take note of how your lower back and shoulders feel after a solid 20- 30 minutes.

A couple of other quality folks in the area are Orange Mattress in Clark, NJ, and Charles Beckley in NYC. Both of these folks still making mattresses with equipment, (like your grandfather’s Buick, back to that again, :wink: )that they used 100 years ago. Seriously, they are still using factory tools, machines and methods, literally the same machines where the work is done by mattress artisans with true personalized hands on craftsmanship from an era where quality meant something and was expected.

Hopefully, this offers a few options to get you started on your new comfortable sleep journey. At the MattressUnderGround.com we are always here to help guide you to your next best night’s sleep. Feel free to throw any additional questions our way and best of luck to you.

Maverick.

Welcome Mg-FA - pleased to meet you, but sorry to hear you are experiencing pain with your mattress. With your type of job, it’s so important to be well-rested and without pain physically.

A few things to think about with your current mattress:

  1. Is it Talalay or Dunlop? Talalay would provide more cushioning, but also may be responsible for a sinking feeling if the mattress is all talalay.

  2. It’s great that you have center support and that your slats are close together. We usually recommend 1.5 inch for the slats - and latex is heavy, as I’m sure you know. The foundation could be impacting the feel of the mattress.

Thank you to @Maverick for the mention. We specialize in natural and organic mattresses without chemical flame retardants. Our Naturally Organic Hudson and Hudson Luxe mattresses indeed fit your specs.

In addition, you may want to consider the Naturepedic EOS. It has the setup you mentioned from the hotel - strong individually pocketed springs under with a layer of latex on top. You can choose the level of firmness (they have 5 levels, the chart is on the page I linked) and customize it by side. You can also tweak it after purchase if needed. It is a little above your price range in a king, but we offer them on sale frequently, and that would bring them down into your range. No flame retardants, either.

I agree with Maverick - your pillow can make a big difference also.

Finally, the mattresses I mentioned above all come in a box. But as Maverick said, not all BiB are created equal. The vendors we work with all make them to order - so they are not sitting for weeks and months in the box. They are made for each customer and then shipped out. We have not had complaints about this method of shipping or condition of the mattress. I own a Hudson Luxe in my home (which I hauled up and set up myself with a little help :slight_smile:

If you stop by our NYC store, they can provide you with further guidance. I want to mention that we have moved so when you come, be sure to come to 459 Broome Street, which is in SoHo, not the 5th street address. It is correct on our site and in our Google listing.

Best of luck to you! Please call us or come by if we can help - always happy to consult.

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Thank you so much, @Maverick and @TheCleanBedroom, for all the thoughtful input, I really appreciate it!

Just to clarify, all three layers in our mattress are Talalay.

Also, since both of you mentioned how important pillows can be, I wanted to ask for your recommendations. I’m currently using a low-profile, solid (not shredded) Talalay latex pillow, but I’m open to exploring other options — especially anything that could help relieve the pain.

If you have any tips on loft, materials, or brands to consider, I’d be so grateful.

I’ll try to come by next week to the store in NYC

Thanks again for your help!

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Pillow? Did someone say pillow? :joy::rofl: Someone hasn’t been snooping around TMU lately, LOL. What can I say, I’m such a wise guy.

Hi Mg-FA,
Funny you should mention pillows. Here’s my pillow collection.

So, first of all, there are different pillows for different types of sleepers: side, back, or stomach. There are a few general rules for each, though nothing is set in stone, everyone’s a little different. Here’s the shortcut:

  • Side sleepers need higher loft pillows. Not just prefer, need. The right loft depends on the distance between your ear and the top of the mattress. A firmer mattress (where you don’t sink in much) typically requires a loftier pillow. But remember: your pillow isn’t a brick, it compresses, depending on the fill, so you need to factor that in. If your mattress is softer and you sink in more, you’ll need to reduce that loft compared to the firmer mattress baseline to maintain spinal alignment.
  • Back sleepers usually don’t need as much loft. Many prefer cervical-style or more structured pillows. The goal is to keep your head level with your spine, able to breathe well and not dropping below the shoulders. Again, mattress firmness plays a role here.
  • Stomach sleepers often do best with a low-profile pillow. You want to keep everything aligned, nothing that arches your neck up too high, or you’ll end up with strain in the upper, middle, and lower back. Funny how pain travels faster than a speeding bullet and hurts more than being hit by a locomotive (okay, maybe not that much, but you get the idea).

I’ve found that even being off by just 1.5 inches in pillow loft can ruin a night’s sleep. Will everyone be that sensitive? Probably not. But I’m a fairly resilient 65-year-old, and the older I get, the more obvious the effects become.

There are all kinds of pillows out there. I’m not big on gimmicks, gels, grids, peanuts, french fries (who knows what they’re stuffing pillows with these days). But there are some solid fill options: Feathers, Down, Latex, Wool, Cotton, Silk, Cashmere, Kapok, and Horsehair (I have four of those!). And yes, there are synthetic choices like Memory Foam, Polyfoam, and even some quality natural fill alternatives or blends.

The key thing, when you keep it simple, is that it’s easier to fix.

At first, I was all about my Tempurpedic pillows, the medium-firm to firmer ones with a bit of loft. I’d tried some solid latex pillows, but they were too squishy, too bouncy, and not supportive enough. It made falling asleep harder, not easier.

Back in the day, feather and down pillows were all I knew. But in those days, I could’ve stacked my sneakers under my head and called it a night. Now? I need structure, support, and comfort. A mattress… for the head. Funny how that works out.

On a recent trip to California, I stopped by @EuropeanSleep. “Okay,” I said, “show me this Latex Oxygen Pillow thing.”
Holy schmolly. Did I mention earlier that I didn’t like latex pillows? Gulp. Apologies, Mr. Latex, Sir!

It may have taken a few tries to get the right version dialed in, but, wow, that pillow rocks. The latex was much firmer than anything latex I’d ever tried in a pillow, and its unique design took me about 60 seconds to get used to. After that, I was sold. I told them to ship one to NJ.

While chatting pillows with Steve (the big boss over there), I mentioned that I usually don’t like shredded latex pillows. I had tried one made with uniformly cut noodle-shaped latex (the cozypure baa-noodle), and surprisingly, I liked it. It made me realize, when it came to shredded pillows, that it wasn’t the latex I didn’t like, it was the randomness of the shredded fill. Too inconsistent for me.

So I told Steve, “I wish someone would make a firm latex pillow with evenly cut pieces that you can add or remove to your liking.”
Steve goes, well he did not go anywhere, but did say: “Funny you should mention that, we’re working on one right now.”
Fast forward, a couple months later? Project done. Packed, shipped to NJ. Timing couldn’t have been better. Pricey, who cares, when it works, I cant take it with me anyway, or perhaps maybe someday down the road, hopefully very far down the road, I might.

Just like there’s more than one mattress that can check all the boxes for someone, there’s also more than one pillow that can do the job, and sometimes, you need the right one for the right situation.

Case in point: I ended up blowing out a few discs in my back about 60 days ago (long story), couldn’t walk for several days, and was in a world of pain. Suddenly, my beloved Oxygen pillow, my nightly companion, was no longer cutting it. I had to (begrudgingly) set it aside, and in came the pillow with the uniform, cube-shaped latex fill. And guess what? Even with the herniated discs, I got a great night’s sleep. That’s the beauty of having options that work. Reenter the Oxygen pillow. The Oxygen pillow that sits on my base pillow (I like two pillows stacked), then allowed me to put the cube pillow in a portrait position to the landscape position to the Oxygen stack and I could actually lie back on my bed in a comfortable angle to watch TV.

Yeah, I know, long boring story, but sometimes listening to the experience of others may trigger some familiarity that helps solves issues that were never given a thought in the past.

Hopefully, this helps a bit. If you do have any specific pillow questions, I promise, I will keep the non-fiction novel down to a short story.

All the best on this Father’s Day,

Maverick

Maverick has covered the pillow quite completely - he has quite a collection!

I would just add that sometimes it is worth it to try an adjustable pillow as you can add or remove materials to get more loft. You’ll also see that some of pillows on our site come Extra Thick, and then you can remove fill if it is too tall.

They have a good number of pillows to try in the NYC showroom.

Best of luck, and feel free to ask any questions in the meantime!
Katie

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Thank you all so much for the helpful information and personal insights — I really appreciate the time and thought you’ve shared here.
@Maverick, your story and humor truly made me smile — thank you for blending expertise with personality. :pray:

Today I visited four mattress stores, including two from Maverick’s recommendations: * Orange Mattress

  • Shovlin Mattress, which I realized — as soon as I walked in — that I had actually visited about a year ago! I have to say, their customer service is absolutely outstanding.
    I also stopped by a large Italian furniture store (their mattress selection wasn’t too exciting) and a surprisingly helpful place called Paramus Furniture & Dinettes.

What I learned today:
I really love the deep hand-tufted style with large, cushioned channels throughout the surface — that rich, cradled feel is exactly what I’ve been looking for.
I definitely prefer coils over foam-only setups — the combination of a plush top that relieves pressure with solid underlying support (especially for stomach sleeping) makes a huge difference.
I tried a Millbrook mattress that felt incredible but was outside our budget.
At Paramus Furniture, I came across something similar — the Coral Cove Euro Top Mattress by Hemingway — and I’d love your thoughts on its material quality and craftsmanship.
Also, do you know what they mean when they say the fire retardant is made from wood pulp?

The only downside I’ve seen with this mattress is that the store does not offer any exchange or return policy, and the warranty is just a standard limited warranty covering manufacturing defects.

Next week, I’m planning to visit a few more stores in NYC, including @TheCleanBedroom, to continue exploring and (hopefully!) find my perfect match.

If anyone has experience with the Coral Cove or knows of other models that offer that same plush yet highly supportive hand-tufted feel — ideally with long-term durability — I’d really appreciate your insight.
Thanks again to everyone for making this journey so much more informed and enjoyable!

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Which model of the Millbrook did you try?

John

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I believe it was HAMPSHIRE III which is plush but surprisingly was very nice to sleep on. I wish I could find it on my budget.

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Mg,

If the Millbrook Hampshire was that great for you, maybe try to get it on sale for July 4th or Labor Day. In the mean time, keep looking.

John

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that is great idea ill definitely wait to get either mattress on 4th of July