Just starting to search

I’m still building my initial group but, so far I have Brookly Bedding and Kiss Mattress on my list. I’ve ruled out Casper for a number of reasons but, for me, their over marketing on youtube as well as their flimsy cover has removed this product from my list.

With that, I will say that I have been doing my homework. I have watched many of the reviews on youtube by sleepology and love them. I even mentioned KISS mattress to him and he told he that he’s looking forward to doing a review of this product in the coming weeks. And, of course, I’ve been trolling the forums here ever since I created my account.

Now, with that said, are there any others I should consider that would be similar to Brooklyn Bedding or KISS?

Hi mdgail1,

You can see my comments about the new “breed” of what I call “simplified choice mattresses” in post #1 of this topic and there are some comments about each of them specifically (particularly about the quality and durability of the materials they use) in post #2 of the same topic.

There are certainly some great quality/value choices available to you in this group (and some that aren’t as great) and if you are considering online choices then the tutorial also includes several other links to lists of the better online choices that I’m aware of outside of the “simplified choice” category of mattresses as well (in the optional online step).

There may also be some good options available to you locally and if you let me know your city and zip code I’d also be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in your area as well.

You can see my comments about some of the so called “professional review sites” in the first post of the topic I linked. While other people’s comments about the knowledge, service, and guidance of a particular business can certainly be helpful … I would generally avoid using other people’s experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you and in many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (see post #13 here). The fact is that the only thing a mattress review will usually tell you is how one person likes a particular mattress which is usually based only on initial or early impressions that are very subjective and little else. I would be very skeptical of anyone who claims that they have some kind of crystal ball that can predict which specific mattress you will sleep best on with any certainty. It just doesn’t exist.

There are also no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness as well and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.

The choice between different types and combinations of materials and components or different types of mattresses are more of a preference and a budget choice than a “better/worse” choice (see this article). The best way to know which types of materials or mattresses you tend to prefer is based on your own careful testing or personal experience. Some people prefer some types of mattresses while others may prefer something else completely so there is no right or wrong with preferences. It would be like asking “which clothes are best for me?” and of course there really isn’t any answer to these types of questions except to say “the ones that you prefer”. I would also keep in mind that all mattress categories include a very wide range of different mattresses with different firmness levels and designs so even if you prefer the general “feel” of a certain type or category of mattresses there may be some mattresses of that type that may be “perfect” and others that may be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on.

There is also more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).


Phoenix, thanks for your reply but there doesn’t seem to be much near me. I’m in Southern Nevada near Las Vegas. So, I could easily purchase a bed from KISS or Sleepez and have it in a day or two because of the close proximity. What I really need is recommendations of other beds that are similar in type to KISS or Brooklyn Bedding.


Hi mdgail1,

When you asked …

I replied with where you can find links to several lists of mattresses that you may wish to also consider … as well as warning you about the risks involved in using other people’s experiences on a mattress as a reliable indication of your own experience on the same mattress … and why these risks exist.

I also offered to link you to a list of local options that you could test in person before a purchase if you wished to.

There is also more information in post #9 here about the different ways that one mattress can “match” or “approximate” another one but every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress “as a whole” and mattress manufacturers generally try to differentiate their mattress from the mattresses made by other manufacturers and don’t normally try to “match” another mattress that is made by a different manufacturer so it’s unlikely that you will find another mattress that is designed to “match” or “approximate” one of the mattresses you mentioned.

That doesn’t mean that there aren’t other mattresses that would be just as good or even better in terms of “comfort” and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) … only that they will use different combinations of materials and may not have the same “feel” or exactly the same design and you may prefer one type of mattress over others. Different people can also have very different opinions about how two mattresses compare because of differences in their body weight, sleeping style, or individual circumstances and sensitivities so the only way to know how two mattresses compare “for you” will be based on your own careful testing or personal experience … regardless of how they may “feel” or compare for anyone else.

Of course the advantage of a forum like this is that you are always free to ignore any of the replies that you receive (including mine) regardless of whether they may be in your best interests or otherwise :).

Someone who doesn’t have years of knowledge and experience in the industry is certainly not a qualified or reliable source of guidance or recommendations about whether a mattress they aren’t familiar with (or they only are familiar with their own personal experience on the mattress) would be suitable for someone else to sleep on or whether it would make a good quality or a good value choice for someone else.


Thanks Phoenix. Because you referenced a specific # article I initially missed your post. I’m looking at the list right now. Bear mattress has caught my attention along with a few others. Thanks.

Hi mdgail1,

The better options or possibilities I’m aware of in and around Las Vegas (subject to making sure that any mattress you consider meets the quality/value guidelines I linked) are listed in post #2 here.


Yes, I did see those recommendations but didn’t really like any of those that were mentioned. I will continue to watch the forums here and add a few more as others are mentioned. However, I may have all I need between the additional 3 or 4 added to my list. Thanks a bunch.

Hi mdgail1,

Some local testing can give you a better sense of the types of materials that you tend to prefer even if you don’t make a purchase locally. You certainly have many great quality/value online choices available to you (probably more than you need to choose from) but knowing the types of materials or mattresses that you tend to prefer can be helpful when you are trying to narrow them down.


Yes, that is true. Thanks again.

Ok, so I think these are the ones I will work with for now.

Bear Mattress
Brooklyn Bedding
Helix Sleep
KISS Mattress
Loom & Leaf by Saatva
Nest Bedding Alexander

If anyone watching this thread has any opinion about the beds I’ve mentioned your opinion is certainly welcome. I’d love to hear exactly what exactly set apart the bed that you purchased from all the others?

I think I’m going to drop Loom & Leaf from the list just based on the materials and some things I’ve read. So, that leaves me with:

Bear Mattress
Brooklyn Bedding
KISS Mattress
Nest Bedding

Now I have to say that I really like the Celiant technology as well as the graphite layer that Bear mattress is using. I think they’ve done their homework and may have a good product. It’s certainly worth my consideration.

Brooklyn Bedding and KISS Mattresses are both at the top of my list because they are the closest to natural that I am going to find without the huge sticker price. Yes, they aren’t 100% pure but both use latex in the form of dunlop or talalay to create a great sleep and may last longer then the competition.

Helix, who is high on my list, is the most unique vendor of them all. They have left nothing to chance. They have an online customization because they know each person is unique. They will customize your bed based on body type, age, and other factors to give you a mattress that is created just for you. How can you go wrong with this, right? Again, they are a new company but definitely worth researching more.

Finally we have the Alexander by Nest Bedding. I think this mattress may be pricier then the rest. Honestly, this one isn’t speaking to me but I’m leaving it at the bottom spot for more research. I know some people have this mattress and love it and that’s why I’m still considering it.

So, this is all I have for now. I’ll continue to update you as I get closer. I am in Maryland right now and will be in NY next week. Bear was kind enough to tell me where their loft is and told me to call ahead so I can visit. They have also been super responsive to every comment and question I have asked of them. So, my first review will probably be of their mattress because it is the first one I will actually test out.

Hi mdgail1,

You certainly have some good finalists to choose from although they include quite a wide range of different types of comfort materials. I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding once you’ve had the chance to talk with each of them.

Once you are down to finalists that are all choices between “good and good” and none of them have any lower quality materials or “weak links” in their design and if there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some very good research) then you are in the fortunate position that either of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations with each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on “informed best judgement” based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.


Ok, after careful review I have narrowed down my list a bit more. The remaining companies and/or beds with pricing are listed below.

Brooklyn Bedding Queen Medium firmness $750
Helix Sleep Queen customized mattress $900
Kiss Mattress Queen $795
Nelson Alexander Queen $1,199

I decided to remove the Bear Mattress for person reasons which I will explain quickly. All of the other mattresses above have options for softness that is important to me.

Bear Mattress is a one softness or one type fits all. Now, I love all of the technology this company is using, which ranges from celiant technlogy to the graphite layer of foam, but my concern is that they have decided, like Casper, that one bed is perfect for everyone. They didn’t give me a choice and I, as the consumer, have the final say in what mattress my body shall lay upon.

Brooklyn Bedding offers a soft, medium and firm mattress to choose from.

Helix Mattress is completely customized so the mattress I order for me will be different from the mattress you order for you.

Kiss Mattress offers a plush and a firm option.

Kiss Mattress Queen Plush $795

Nelson Bedding Alexander Queen $1,199
( Nelson Bedding does offer two options. There is the love bed, which is softer, and the Alexander, which is a medium firmness)

So, as you can see, the Bear Mattress, while unique, must decide what it really wants to become. Will it be a slghtly better, one type fits all mattress with unique technlogy? Or, will it eventually realize, like Kiss, that most people fall under two types: plush or firm.

The good news, for me, is that I can test out all of these beds and don’t have to go to the East Coast for any. Kiss and Brooklyn are in AZ and Nelson has a showroom in Los Angeles. Helix does have a warehouse in NY but there are no mattress to test since there are virtually hundreds of configurations that can be created for you alone based on your age, body type, etc.

I will update this document after I have scheduled appointments to check out the three remaining. Helix, of course, remains a strong contender because, as mentioned, it is completely customized. And, if you look at the pricing you’ll see that it’s not the most expensive mattress either. It falls in between the Kiss and the Nelson. Price is not the deciding factor though. Comfort is.

Hi mdgail1,

It sounds like you are gradually narrowing down your finalists but of course you still have a little way to go to get down to your final choice. Once again I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding.

[quote]Nelson Bedding Alexander Queen $1,199
( Nelson Bedding does offer two options. There is the love bed, which is softer, and the Alexander, which is a medium firmness)[/quote]

I think that you may mean “Nest Bedding” rather than “Nelson Bedding”?


Phoenix, you’re right. I was just watching Treehouse Masters before this post and had Pete Nelson on my brain. LOL

Narrowed down my list to the following.

Bear Mattress
KISS Mattress

I’m not really sure about Bear but I’m still intrigued by their Celiant technology.

Brooklyn Bedding has been removed from my final list. They’re a good company, but not for me.

Helix I do love. They are the only ones who will create a completely customized mattress just for you based on size, weight, and several other questions. Honestly, I wish other companies would offer this same kind of technlogy to bring us a customized mattress for under a thousand dollars.

Kiss Mattress. What can I say? They have always been on the top of my list because I knew of them long before I know of the other companies. If I go with the Helix for my bedroom I will probably buy a KISS Mattress for the guestroom.

Of course, I didn’t even mention my children. They will each get the unique pleasure of choosing their own bed. I told them all that they should come here, read the reviews, check out the mattresses and I’ll even let them call the companies. I want them to be happy with their choice since it’s their mattress for the next ten years.

I hope my thread isn’t annoying to anyone. I know choosing a mattress is unique for each individual. I just wanted to keep you all updated based on my individual choices. Oh, and Helix now offers the opportunity to test out a mattress customized just for you right on the spot. Since I’m on the east coast for a month or so I will probably make a trip to their NY factory.

Hi mdgail,

At least you are down to three now from your four finalists in August (although they have changed a bit). I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding.

You can also get mattress protectors with Celliant (see here).


Thanks for the tip Phoenix. I didn’t know about those mattress protectors with Celiant.

You are a fountain of knowledge.



Finally decided for me, but with one caveat. And the mattress I have decided on may surprise many. What I finally decided on is a futon mattress that comes directly from Japan. The one I am buying is a thick mattress and will sit on a platform bed that accommodates futon mattresses. I haven’t finished though. What my boys choose may be different from what I have chosen so time will tell. However, one thing that I decided on is to buy a latex mattress for my mom. She is in desperate need and thelatexmattressfactory will meet her needs, but not mine. One of the biggest problems that we vegans have is finding a mattress that does not contain any wool. And sadly the powers that be feel that will provide some safety from fires and this is why wool often turns up in the covering for natural mattresses. I do understand this and it presents me with some challenges. However, I want my mom to have a healthy, safe mattress that will give her years of comfort and i believe that a quality latex mattress from them.

Oh, and if you want to know who i have chosen for my futon, I will gladly share that information with you. I chose futonbedsfromjapan.com. The company is run by an American guy. Or maybe he’s Canadian. Not sure but he speaks great English. I was impressed with the quality product that he offers that is made by a family business that has been making futon mattresses for 50+ years. Needless to say, the mattresses they create are a work of art but also a very, comfortable product to sleep on. The process of making a mattress is something learned through the course of many years of study. I watched this video the other day and feel it is worth sharing. And this should explain why I would go to Japan to buy my futon mattress.