Recommendation for Softening a New DIY Mattress

Hey Dup,

You’re on the right track with your thinking here.

If long-term durability (10+ years) is the priority, I would personally rule out the convoluted HD36-HQ. Even though it’s still a 2.8 lb foam, the reduced material at the peaks changes how the load is carried and concentrates stress in a way that isn’t ideal when durability is the goal. It’s a feel-modification more than a true equivalent to the solid slab.

That leaves you with two realistic directions to take.

A true 28–30 ILD 2.0 lb polyfoam will give you a more intentional “transition” feel, but it is a clear step down in durability compared to both your HR base and the HD36-HQ (if a full slab).

The solid HD36-HQ is the more conservative and durable choice. In a layered build like yours, the perceived firmness difference vs the 34 ILD HR base is likely less significant than it appears on paper once you factor in support factor differences and the latex layer above it.

Regarding ILD’s, they do not translate consistently between foam types, which is why a 34 ILD HR foam can feel firmer than a similar ILD conventional HD foam. HR foam typically has a much higher support factor and more resilient cell structure, so it resists deeper compression more aggressively and “firms up” faster under load. In contrast, standard HD polyfoams tend to have lower support factors and a more linear compression response, so they feel closer to a medium-firm even at similar ILD ratings. That’s why matching ILD numbers across different foam families is often misleading compared to how the layers actually behave in a full build.

A useful comparison is Dunlop vs Talalay latex. Even at the same ILD, Talalay is typically perceived as a bit softer, more uniform, and more “lively,” while Dunlop tends to feel denser and more supportive with a slightly more grounded response. In the past, some of that difference was amplified by greater variability in Dunlop’s density and consistency through the layer, but modern Dunlop production has improved quite a bit in terms of uniformity and quality control. As a result, today’s Dunlop is generally more consistent and closer in behavior to Talalay than it used to be, though it still typically retains a more supportive, less elastic feel due to its structure and processing. The same general principle applies here with HR foam versus conventional HD polyfoam: even if ILD numbers are close, differences in support factor and material behavior mean the real-world feel can be noticeably different, which is why ILD alone becomes less predictive once you start mixing foam types in a layered build.

Latex in that position would be the most durable option of the three, but if you already have uncertainty about the feel, I wouldn’t introduce it into a critical transition layer where you’re trying to control the overall feel of the build.

If it were my build and durability was the primary goal, I’d keep it simple and go with the solid HD36-HQ rather than trying to fine-tune that transition layer too much. The HR core is already doing the heavy lifting in the system anyway.

Hopefully, I have not floated off into lala land, as I sometimes do.

Maverick

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It would be great if foambymail had a few more options for firmness within that same high density. I would rather buy solid 20-28 ild foam than egg crate to try to make a bed moderately soft. As well as some firmer options for the memory foam. I like the idea of super high density, though they are all still 12 ild.

Other sources for foam that I’ve looked through are much more expensive.

Thanks again Maverick for the detailed response. I totally agree with you on the recommendation for a full slab as the transition layer in order to maintain durability. My concern with the full slab of the HD36HQ is that it will feel just as firm as my HR foam base, as you pointed out that it will probably feel similar eventhough the ILD ratings are different. The only other option I have is an HR foam in medium which is 28ILD from the same place I purchased the HR base from, however it is significantly more expensive. Or I just get the 2lbs density medium HD foam and just replace it as often as I need to due to its lower density. Unfortunately where Im located in Canada there are not many options for sourcing foam.

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Gc123 I wish FBM had somthing in this medium range as well as I would have already pulled the trigger on it!

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Hi Mavrick…just wanted your input on one more thing. I tried doubling up the 2in Soft Dunlop latex layer over top of the HR base and it was much better than just the 2in with alot less pushback. Im wondering if you think it would be a good idea to try adding another 2inches of the soft Dunlop Latex or would this likely cause alignment issues? I was lying on it for a good 30min and it felt pretty good. The only thing I noticed was it was more wobbly at 4inches vs the 2inches. Would Medium be better or would it be too firm still?

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My honest take , I am an advocate of less is more here and most of the time. The wobbliness you’re feeling at 4 inches is your body telling you something. More latex on top means more instability and a higher chance of alignment issues overnight. I’d go back to the 2 inch soft layer and fine-tune from there rather than stacking more on top, or dont change it at all. Also, give it chance of a few nights, not just 30 minutes.

I’m definitely in agreement with the less is more in most cases. Unfortunately going back to the 2Inch soft latex layer over the HR base is definitely too firm as I believe I’m bottoming out the 2 inch layer and hitting the HR foam base and it is just too uncomfortable. Perhaps what you mentioned previously about adding a 2 inch medium foam transition would help take the edge off the HR base and not make things unstable.

Just seems odd that adding another 2inch Dunlop latex layer for a total of 4 inches would make things unstable, as most All latex mattresses have several more inches of latex in different confirgurations and I don’t read about people reporting being unstable on them. My understanding is that Latex is inherently more lively/wobbly/giggly due to it being rubber. This is my first experience with Latex so forgive my ignorance.

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Before you go adding another full 2 inches, have you considered trying a 3 inch layer instead? You’d get more plushness than the 2 inch and reduce the chance of bottoming out, without the wobbliness and alignment risk that comes with 4 inches. It’s a more incremental step and keeps with the less is more approach. If soft still feels too unstable at 3 inches, medium in the same thickness might be worth a look too. Just thinking out loud here.

Another option would be, as i have done this myself, is before considering adding more latex, have you thought about a wool topper? You’d get added plushness right at the surface without the extra wobble. Wool is dense and conforming rather than bouncy, so it complements latex really well without compounding any instability. It is also heat neutral so you will remain cooler.

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Thanks Maverick for the suggestion. I will have to look into the wool a little further. Although a quick search did indicate that it can be rather expensive. I will see what I can find with a more in depth search.

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Yes, organic wool toppers are and can be pricey. I think they are worth it, but everyone has their own budget and comfort level.

I ordered mine from Oregon Natural Fiber Mill when they were called Natural Felt. There are others out there, @Shepherds_Dream has some nice ones as do others out there.

They can be more than the mattress in some cases, but it adds a different dimension to the feel. Unlike adding more latex, wool is dense and conforming rather than bouncy, so it adds just enough surface comfort and plushness without amplifying any instability in your stack. It also breathes and wicks moisture well, which latex alone doesn’t do great with.

You should first try working with the layers you have, reorganizing them, even flipping the latex layer. Flipping or rotating it can change the feel more than you’d expect since the top and bottom surfaces of latex can feel subtly different, worth experimenting before buying anything new.

You just don’t want to get caught up stacking the layers so high that your support layer becomes ineffective as your primary support. The wobbliness you noticed at 4 inches is a sign the sleep surface is becoming too unstable, and more layers on top will only compound that over a full night of sleep.

Maverick

Thanks Maverick for all your help and suggestions. My current “stack” is only two components right now which is a 6in HR base (34ild) and a 2in Soft Dunlop latex top(20ild) so I cant do any rearranging per se. This is why im in need of somthing to make this less firm than what it currently feels like. I think im currently in analysis paralysis as there is just too much to consider and im just going to have to chose somthing and hope for the best. At this point im starting to question my choice to go down this DIY rabbit hole as im currently stuck with somthing I cannot sleep on with no returns possible. I know in the end Im going to end up with somthing better than store bought so that is comforting. Hopefully I can get this thing to the point of being able to use it soon.

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A few things to consider if your budget will allow. And you were correct in that adding another 2" could be ok, even though it might get a bit wobbly, that will depend on the cover you use and how tight or stretchy it is.

What you could do is first swap a 3" soft Dunlop for the 2" and it will feel softer and provide more pressure relief than your current setup, but it will still have the characteristic supportive, slightly “pushy” feel of Dunlop latex. With a 3" soft Talalay, you will get a generally plusher feel, more buoyant, and pressure-relieving than soft Dunlop at a similar ILD. If your primary complaint is firmness, many people find Talalay gives a bigger perceived softness increase than simply going from 2" to 3" of Dunlop.

If you’re a side sleeper, 3" of comfort material is often closer to the “sweet spot” than 2", especially over a relatively firm support core.

Given your current build, here are how the combinations play out.

Option 1 - 6" 34 ILD HR foam + 2" 20 ILD Dunlop = likely medium-firm to firm for many sleepers.

Option 2 - 6" 34 ILD HR foam + 3" 20 ILD Dunlop = noticeably softer and more pressure-relieving.

Option 3 - 6" 34 ILD HR foam + 3" soft Talalay = often perceived as softer still

Option 4 - 6" 34 ILD HR foam + 2" 20 ILD Dunop + 3" Soft Talalay (19-22ILD range) = That would give you 5" of comfort material above the support core, with the denser Dunlop acting as a transition layer between the plush Talalay and the firm HR base.

This would actually be less than what a wool topper would be and the pressure relief would be better. Option 4 may be just what you are looking for and it would mean just adding 1 layer and the dunlop becomes the bridge between the two.

Maverick

Thanks again Maverick. These are great suggestions. Unfortunately the Talalay latex is very expensive in Canada so this is not going to be in my budget (3in topper will cost more than $800CAD). I could order another 1inch topper of the Dunlop soft to add to my current build to get me to 3inch total on top. If I was to add a memory foam topper in 2in such as foambymail’s 4lbs version, or a 2 inch Tranquility Foam or Energex Topper on top would this help? Would the 2in 20ILD Dunlop layer be adequate for a transition layer? or would it be wise to try a Medium HD polyfoam layer as a transition as noted by a few people above?

Then go with a latex alternative like energex or titanflex. You can get a 3" Titanflex. Under $300 in a king, just not certain if available in Canada. @mfc has this soft HR foam. Speak with Mario there and he can guide you. But it is worth a shot, if in your budget. It will not be exactly the same as talalay, but in some respects could be a better feel.

Funny you should mention Mario at MFC as he suggested I try a memory foam over top of the latex. This is where I bought the HR foam base and Soft Dunlop from. Im not sure I can source Titanflex in Canada but there are some alternatives that might work.

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My diy bed has 2" of latex/memory foam hybrid on the top.

I also like memory foam + latex. And my preference is for memory foam under the latex because warmth softens memory foam, when i put the latex on top it acts as a buffer so i get more comfort from the memory foam but the cooling and responsiveness of latex. You can try it in both ways and see which you like better

What memory foam did you end up going with? I think I was recommended memory foam because my old mattress had 3 inches of gel infused viscoelastic memory foam on top and I was used to that feel.

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Id just get a 2" layer of 4lb memory foam on foambymail.com

Or if mfc sells it, get whats a good deal

I think foambymail is probably the cheapest even after the exchange from USD to CAD. My only concern is the durability as some people say they are great while others say it doesnt hold up very long. Unfortunately this seems to be the trend these days to force people to replace things more often and maximize profits. I also found a reasonbly priced 2inch Tranquility foam topper which is an 11ild HR foam which should have decent longevity but might feel quite different than memory foam.

Gc123…Just wondering if your memory foam layer is the 4lbs from foambymail? If so how is it holding up?